ESO is a hot mess

Libonotus · March 2020

After 5 years and serious patches, the bugs still have not gone away, just been worsened and created new bugs.

This game needs to do a FF14 and shut down for 2 years in order to rebuilt from the ground up cause at this point, it’s pretty obvious you’re not gonna patch your way out of the mess that the game has become.

Michae · March 2020

Maybe it's time to move to some greener pastures if ESO's so unbearable?

RD065 · March 2020

I still enjoy the game.

RefLiberty · March 2020

I think the problem here is not so in the guys in dev dept. but the game base which is Hero engine, I read that even today SWOTOR I riddled with same performance issues as here and it is giving a headache to everyone. I could be wrong tho. I dunno, either way it is not great situation.

juhislihis19 · March 2020

I'm afraid at this rate, this game will soon become 'a cold mess'. I've encountered sooo many players, who have been around for years, but don't find the game enjoyable anymore.

Whoever are in charge, take a looong look in the mirror and admit You have failed at your job, miserably.

kind_hero · March 2020

Libonotus wrote: »

After 5 years and serious patches, the bugs still have not gone away, just been worsened and created new bugs.

This game needs to do a FF14 and shut down for 2 years in order to rebuilt from the ground up cause at this point, it’s pretty obvious you’re not gonna patch your way out of the mess that the game has become.

You are overreacting...

I still like the game even after 5 years, but I am not ignoring the issues. My problem with the devs is that they keep releasing year long chapters and a lot of content, while not focusing enough on fixing performance and improving quality of life in the game. IMO they should skip a year cycle, release some trial/pvp with very difficult hard modes to keep people busy for a year or two, and take at least 6 months if not one year just to fix things, rebuild if needed. I see them spread to thin in all directions. Their commitment on fixing performance issues is clear, but it looks like they need more time and people to do that.

daemonios · March 2020

Michae wrote: »

Maybe it's time to move to some greener pastures if ESO's so unbearable?

Maybe ESO is the best of a not so good bunch? I, for one, have plenty of complaints about ESO, but will freely admit that there's no better option (for me). Maybe Pantheon will fix this situation.

JTorus · March 2020

harold12 wrote: »

The lag is proof, ESO is getting TONS of players now.

correlation does not equal causation
your experiences are a focus group of one

Michae · March 2020

daemonios wrote: »

Michae wrote: »

Maybe it's time to move to some greener pastures if ESO's so unbearable?

Maybe ESO is the best of a not so good bunch? I, for one, have plenty of complaints about ESO, but will freely admit that there's no better option (for me). Maybe Pantheon will fix this situation.

Nothing wrong with complaining, but OP and many others are just overdramatic. I enjoy ESO, it has it's issues, sure, but I wouldn't call it bad or a mess. If I thought it was garbage, I just wouldn't play it, as time is the most precious resource I have and I don't like wasting it.

Donny_Vito · March 2020

JTorus wrote: »

harold12 wrote: »

The lag is proof, ESO is getting TONS of players now.

correlation does not equal causation
your experiences are a focus group of one

I can remember a professor beating that line to death.

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Tan9oSuccka · March 2020

Hmm. I’m not sure why everyone is all worked up.

There’s some occasional skill delay, but load screens seem better. The dungeon finder popped instantly.

I didn’t venture into Cyrodiil, but I suspect most of the complaining is there.

500ms ping guy has a harder time killing people with animation cancels.

“Pure skill brah!”

daemonios · March 2020

Michae wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

Michae wrote: »

Maybe it's time to move to some greener pastures if ESO's so unbearable?

Maybe ESO is the best of a not so good bunch? I, for one, have plenty of complaints about ESO, but will freely admit that there's no better option (for me). Maybe Pantheon will fix this situation.

Nothing wrong with complaining, but OP and many others are just overdramatic. I enjoy ESO, it has it's issues, sure, but I wouldn't call it bad or a mess. If I thought it was garbage, I just wouldn't play it, as time is the most precious resource I have and I don't like wasting it.

It's fortunate you don't get to dictate how everyone reacts, then. Just because you don't experience certain issues, or don't feel they take away from your enjoyment of the game, doesn't invalidate other people's complaints. And you're right, people can just leave. But they don't have to, and certainly not on your terms.

RefLiberty · March 2020

Michae wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

Michae wrote: »

Maybe it's time to move to some greener pastures if ESO's so unbearable?

Maybe ESO is the best of a not so good bunch? I, for one, have plenty of complaints about ESO, but will freely admit that there's no better option (for me). Maybe Pantheon will fix this situation.

Nothing wrong with complaining, but OP and many others are just overdramatic. I enjoy ESO, it has it's issues, sure, but I wouldn't call it bad or a mess. If I thought it was garbage, I just wouldn't play it, as time is the most precious resource I have and I don't like wasting it.

It is not overdramatic. When new players come, in few first days they will probably want to try PvP which is mess now, then they will notice issues with skill delays, then they will leave probably for good.

The first impression is critical.
I hope they are working overtime to resolve the issues. If new chapter comes out in state like this, it could be GG.
Not overreacting, it is critical.

NordSwordnBoard · March 2020

Agree with OP. ESO is very desireable but discombobulated.

Veles · March 2020

This game was originally a project "invest minimum, get maximum". People are so used to it that you have already stopped paying attention to one interesting fact: they dont care about fixing even old bugs, but more and more new content is being delivered. This game is not going to be made legendary. They decided to squeeze last juices out of you and lower the whole project into the hell-fire, getting maximum profit.

Michae · March 2020

daemonios wrote: »

Michae wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

Michae wrote: »

Maybe it's time to move to some greener pastures if ESO's so unbearable?

Maybe ESO is the best of a not so good bunch? I, for one, have plenty of complaints about ESO, but will freely admit that there's no better option (for me). Maybe Pantheon will fix this situation.

Nothing wrong with complaining, but OP and many others are just overdramatic. I enjoy ESO, it has it's issues, sure, but I wouldn't call it bad or a mess. If I thought it was garbage, I just wouldn't play it, as time is the most precious resource I have and I don't like wasting it.

It's fortunate you don't get to dictate how everyone reacts, then. Just because you don't experience certain issues, or don't feel they take away from your enjoyment of the game, doesn't invalidate other people's complaints. And you're right, people can just leave. But they don't have to, and certainly not on your terms.

I'm not trying to dictate anything to anyone. Don't make an *** out of me when I'm not trying to be one. All I'm saying is that for my whole time I've been on these forums I see threads like this popping up. Not threads saying "hey, I found this bug, can you fix it?", but threads saying "OMG, this game is burning!". And I find it overdramatic and mean spirited. Do you have the right to make threads like this? Absolutely! And do I have a right to call you out on this? Yes.

RefLiberty wrote: »

Michae wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

Michae wrote: »

Maybe it's time to move to some greener pastures if ESO's so unbearable?

Maybe ESO is the best of a not so good bunch? I, for one, have plenty of complaints about ESO, but will freely admit that there's no better option (for me). Maybe Pantheon will fix this situation.

Nothing wrong with complaining, but OP and many others are just overdramatic. I enjoy ESO, it has it's issues, sure, but I wouldn't call it bad or a mess. If I thought it was garbage, I just wouldn't play it, as time is the most precious resource I have and I don't like wasting it.

It is not overdramatic. When new players come, in few first days they will probably want to try PvP which is mess now, then they will notice issues with skill delays, then they will leave probably for good.

The first impression is critical.
I hope they are working overtime to resolve the issues. If new chapter comes out in state like this, it could be GG.
Not overreacting, it is critical.

If you're concerned about new players then PvP is almost irrelevant. PvP seems to be a relatively small part of the community, and the game's marketing, chapter and dlc releases and such are focused mostly on PvE, so my guess is that most of the new players are coming to see that. As in questing, story and maybe dungeons. And those are fine, mostly. Sure there are some silly bugs in this game but nothing really game breaking. I'm not invalidating your feelings on that matter, but the alarmist sound to those threads is really unnecessary imho, ok? And bug reports should probably go here, not on general forums.

Again, let me reiterate, I'm not trying to invalidate your feelings. There are bugs in this game, and maybe they hit you harder than me, I don't know. I'm just saying that you can give feedback without claiming that this game is dying, ok? And making another thread like this doesn't really accomplish anything. Peace?

Michae · March 2020

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Yeah, and we needed another thread on that because of the OP's unique perspective and insights on the matter, riight?

JTorus · March 2020

Donny_Vito wrote: »

JTorus wrote: »

harold12 wrote: »

The lag is proof, ESO is getting TONS of players now.

correlation does not equal causation
your experiences are a focus group of one

I can remember a professor beating that line to death.

Pontificating professors. Who'd have thought?!

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Libonotus · March 2020

Michae wrote: »

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Yeah, and we needed another thread on that because of the OP's unique perspective and insights on the matter, riight?

Ok but this update is a mess, regardless of if you PvP or PvE, pretty sure skills not firing impact both, same as no longer being able to bash animation cancel directly affecting DPS.

Michae · March 2020

Libonotus wrote: »

Michae wrote: »

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Yeah, and we needed another thread on that because of the OP's unique perspective and insights on the matter, riight?

Ok but this update is a mess, regardless of if you PvP or PvE, pretty sure skills not firing impact both, same as no longer being able to bash animation cancel directly affecting DPS.

I'll just repost my reply from other thread if you don't mind. I'm not invalidaiting your experience but I hardly get the issues you're talking about. Could you elaborate more on what's happening?

And here's my other reply:

I don't know, maybe I'm the luckiest player in ESO but:
- I don't have much lag, most of it is due to my own connection bugging out.
- My skills work, I press the key and my character does the thing, my animations cancel as intended, etc.
- Battlegrounds ques work fine and are faster than before the big patch.
- Same with dungeon finder ques.
- Battlegrounds don't lag, and the skills work there too, I even win some matches.
- Overland content works ok, as always.
- I don't know about Cyrodiil, I rarely go there, but when I do I don't really get any game breaking lag.
- Imperial City works ok, no lag.
- What else? I got some crashes right after the patch, nothing major, mostly during logging out or exiting game. They are gone now.
Ok, now to be fair I do experience some bugs:
- The worst one is that I sometimes get stuck with my weapons drawn out. I can't interact with anything then, the only fixes I found out is to either jump in water, die or relog. It happens 0-2 times per playing session, it's not that annoying.
- Weapons land at my feet during swap. It happens mostly right after loading the zone, although it's quite rare for me.
- Running on horse. Mostly just after loading, stopping and starting again fixes it. I doubt it'll be fixed, and it's quite embedded in ESO's culture right now so I'd probably missed it if they did fix it.
- NPCs load slower and sometimes I have to wait till they appear/finish their animation to interact with them. Mostly happens right after I relog to do the writs, not that much or even never when I'm questing or running dungeons. A bit annoying but not game breaking and may be due to my own hardware too.
- After the patch, the compass hologram on my Baadari senche "lags" behind, see pic.

- I have to agree again on various TOSes during the game launch if I get disconnected due to my internet bugging out. That's mildly annoying.

And I think that's all the issues I experience from the top of my head. Maybe I'm just that lucky.

kmufc77b16_ESO · March 2020

RefLiberty wrote: »

I think the problem here is not so in the guys in dev dept. but the game base which is Hero engine, I read that even today SWOTOR I riddled with same performance issues as here and it is giving a headache to everyone. I could be wrong tho. I dunno, either way it is not great situation.

Pretty sure i read somewhere that ZOS originally designed the game with the Hero engine but the final client was a different engine. SWTOR started off with the Hero engine and then coded it themselves so much that now they dont have the Hero engine and cant have any update improvements because the engine has been altered too much now.

I played SWTOR for many years and let me tell you the ESO game engine is far better, its not perfect far from it, but its nowhere near as Bad as SWTOR client.

worrallj · March 2020

kind_hero wrote: »

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IMO they should skip a year cycle, release some trial/pvp with very difficult hard modes to keep people busy for a year or two, and take at least 6 months if not one year just to fix things, rebuild if needed. I see them spread to thin in all directions. Their commitment on fixing performance issues is clear, but it looks like they need more time and people to do that.

I totally agree, but it's interesting. I know for a lot of folks out there, always having a new batch of content a couple months away is THE THING that makes ESO good. Personally I find that baffling... I would love a year to get caught up in the story and just enjoy some pvp without having FOMO about the pve stuff.

I find the grueling release schedule tiresome, especially when there's things like the bugs peopke have pointed out- or even just opportunities to improve other aspects like housing (the guild store & lfg overhaul is the one example where they seem to have done this and it worked, but there's always more things like this)

But given that so much of the player base really does just want a new set of dungeons to run every couple months, I think that's where their focus will stay.

MellJazz · March 2020

Xbox user here, although the download was slow I am very pleased with how well things are working so far. Rode across cyrodiil with no loading screens, my banker stays put and changing ranks in guild roster is a whole lot better.

I have been playing since Xbox launch and have seen some pretty messed up patches...but this one is not.

Some suggestions are, reset your router, your game platform and clear your cache. I do this every day.

Michae · March 2020

worrallj wrote: »

kind_hero wrote: »

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IMO they should skip a year cycle, release some trial/pvp with very difficult hard modes to keep people busy for a year or two, and take at least 6 months if not one year just to fix things, rebuild if needed. I see them spread to thin in all directions. Their commitment on fixing performance issues is clear, but it looks like they need more time and people to do that.

I totally agree, but it's interesting. I know for a lot of folks out there, always having a new batch of content a couple months away is THE THING that makes ESO good. Personally I find that baffling... I would love a year to get caught up in the story and just enjoy some pvp without having FOMO about the pve stuff.

I find the grueling release schedule tiresome, especially when there's things like the bugs peopke have pointed out- or even just opportunities to improve other aspects like housing (the guild store & lfg overhaul is the one example where they seem to have done this and it worked, but there's always more things like this)

But given that so much of the player base really does just want a new set of dungeons to run every couple months, I think that's where their focus will stay.

I have to agree with that. I spent the last year catching up and I'm still far behind. since my return in September 2018 I finished Morrowind (I finished vanilla MQ a year before), Clockwork City, then Orsinium, Imperial City, Thieves Guild, Dark Brotherhood, started Elsweyr prologue to kill some dragons, now I'm 1,5 zone from finishing Cadwell's Silver. I still have Cadwell's Gold, Summerset, Murkmire, Elsweyr and Dragonhold to go through before I'll relatively catch up, and we're two months away from new chapter. The amount of content is overwhelming, and we have to add the events on top of that. So yeah, while I don't thing that the game is in that bad state I could sure use a breather like that.

Freddycruz89 · March 2020

ESO is fine. Don't buy the "broken" hype.

Is it perfect? No, neither are we, nothing is.

Can it be improved? Yes, so can we. So can everything in this world.

Is it still fun? Absolutely. Best MMO out there in my personal opinion.

Get good.

Klad · March 2020

Libonotus wrote: »

After 5 years and serious patches, the bugs still have not gone away, just been worsened and created new bugs.

This game needs to do a FF14 and shut down for 2 years in order to rebuilt from the ground up cause at this point, it’s pretty obvious you’re not gonna patch your way out of the mess that the game has become.

If they did that they should just go ahead and ditch the engine and go with Unreal 4...the crusty old lawyers who run Zenimax would never go for it through..so it's as good as it gets.

Also "Hot Mess" implies that ESO is alluring but totally off the rails, yet you can't (for whatever reason) move on....folks are moving on from ESO.

ShawnLaRock · March 2020

25 minutes, and I still haven’t been able to reach the character selection screen, no matter how many game restarts or console shutdowns I do. Gross.

S.

Raammzzaa · March 2020

daemonios wrote: »

Michae wrote: »

Maybe it's time to move to some greener pastures if ESO's so unbearable?

Maybe ESO is the best of a not so good bunch? I, for one, have plenty of complaints about ESO, but will freely admit that there's no better option (for me). Maybe Pantheon will fix this situation.

I completely agree with this sentiment. Often folks in our PvP guild share this as well - if there was any other game fantasy RPG especially with open world PvP that allowed the large groups that ESO does then ESO would be finished. Assuming that said game didn’t suffer from all of the same issues that ESO does.

djfriesenjb16_ESO · March 2020

Michae wrote: »

worrallj wrote: »

kind_hero wrote: »

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IMO they should skip a year cycle, release some trial/pvp with very difficult hard modes to keep people busy for a year or two, and take at least 6 months if not one year just to fix things, rebuild if needed. I see them spread to thin in all directions. Their commitment on fixing performance issues is clear, but it looks like they need more time and people to do that.

I totally agree, but it's interesting. I know for a lot of folks out there, always having a new batch of content a couple months away is THE THING that makes ESO good. Personally I find that baffling... I would love a year to get caught up in the story and just enjoy some pvp without having FOMO about the pve stuff.

I find the grueling release schedule tiresome, especially when there's things like the bugs peopke have pointed out- or even just opportunities to improve other aspects like housing (the guild store & lfg overhaul is the one example where they seem to have done this and it worked, but there's always more things like this)

But given that so much of the player base really does just want a new set of dungeons to run every couple months, I think that's where their focus will stay.

I have to agree with that. I spent the last year catching up and I'm still far behind. since my return in September 2018 I finished Morrowind (I finished vanilla MQ a year before), Clockwork City, then Orsinium, Imperial City, Thieves Guild, Dark Brotherhood, started Elsweyr prologue to kill some dragons, now I'm 1,5 zone from finishing Cadwell's Silver. I still have Cadwell's Gold, Summerset, Murkmire, Elsweyr and Dragonhold to go through before I'll relatively catch up, and we're two months away from new chapter. The amount of content is overwhelming, and we have to add the events on top of that. So yeah, while I don't thing that the game is in that bad state I could sure use a breather like that.

Not sure why a lot of content is overwhelming. Isn't a lot of content a good thing? Personally, I don't feel the need to rush through everything, this isn't WoW. But I understand the perception that too many resources are being used to push out content instead of fixing problems.

Alomar · March 2020

Unfortunately, years of accepting irregular balancing, abysmally lacking content additions, never fixing bugs, and a several year downhill decline in performance by this community who continues to support ZOS with their $$$ has already dictated that nothing will change.

ESO is just a cash cow for the average casual gamer who doesn't recognize all of these issues or simply doesn't play long enough to care.