Breton nerf?

Kalixte · March 2020

Hoyhoy,

So I heard from a friend that Breton got a sneaky nerf with Harrowstorm. Not a word in patch notes as far as I know. Apparently ZOS changed the way cost reduction works. Someone has more informations about this? And how bad it is? Is this a bug or an intentional change?

idk · March 2020

Have you checked it out yourself?

I am surprised that there would be such a change and the forums have not acknowledged it yet people are talking about it. At least I have not seen it. I would suggest asking your friend some of these details since they are aware of it.

Of course, we know that there are those who try to spread rumors to see who is gullible to believe their tales and see how much commotion they can cause.

Kalixte · March 2020

Of course, there is still the option "I'm a gently stupid and naive person" posting fake news on forums, but the info was quite reliable. In fact, it even came from 2 different PvPers, both quite experienced.

I can't test myself, since I am on PC (update already live) and I don't have Breton characters. That's why I post here, to know if people have experienced/tested it. Maybe do you have a test idea?

Yes I'm quite surprised by this info as well.

kojou · March 2020

I think your friend is thinking of the change in Scalebreaker:

Sources of Stamina, Health, and Magicka cost reduction that are obtained from passives, abilities, or item sets are now all multiplicative, rather than being a mixture of additive and multiplicative.

This had a minor impact on Breton I think...

Kalixte · March 2020

Oooooh! I see! Thank you, you have probably resolved this mystery! I'll ask next time I see him online!

MashmalloMan · March 2020

Yeah that's it. Not a huge deal at the end of the day.

Live Rare, but possible stacking Scenario:
7 Light/Breton/False God/Sorc.

0.86 * 0.92 * 0.92 * 0.94 = 0.6842

Pre Change (Sorc passive was 5% instead of new 6%):
1 - (0.14 + 0.08 + 0.08 + 0.05) = 0.65

The pre change calculation is assuming they were all additive, but they apparently weren't, meaning the 0.65 may have been closer to 0.66 or 0.67 which further reduces the difference.

If anything, this hit Redguard stam sorcs and stam templars the most in PvE since the additional -15% on weapon skills is another cost reduction added to the equation magic doesn't have.

Runefang · March 2020

Well almost all aoes got a cost reduction so in a way they were nerfed because there is now no reason to run Breton over Altmer.

SidraWillowsky · March 2020

Runefang wrote: »

Well almost all aoes got a cost reduction so in a way they were nerfed because there is now no reason to run Breton over Altmer.

Altmer too tall and too ugly.

VoidCommander · March 2020

Runefang wrote: »

Well almost all aoes got a cost reduction so in a way they were nerfed because there is now no reason to run Breton over Altmer.

I still find running Breton useful on classes that don’t have straight magicka dump class abilities like templar and warden do. I find that sorcerers, nightblades, and necros (if you are using proper draugrkin build) benefit the most from Breton cost reductions.

Dracane · March 2020

Runefang wrote: »

Well almost all aoes got a cost reduction so in a way they were nerfed because there is now no reason to run Breton over Altmer.

After having added a spell cost reduction yesterday and having experienced the near infinite magicka that it brought me, I no longer consider Breton to be bad at all. You can not fathom how superbly splendid sustain on a Breton is. Not having to worry about sustain - not having to slow down your attacks or defense - is just great.

Pvp point of view. Breton is the greatest in pvp.

Firstmep · March 2020

Dracane wrote: »

Runefang wrote: »

Well almost all aoes got a cost reduction so in a way they were nerfed because there is now no reason to run Breton over Altmer.

After having added a spell cost reduction yesterday and having experienced the near infinite magicka that it brought me, I no longer consider Breton to be bad at all. You can not fathom how superbly splendid sustain on a Breton is. Not having to worry about sustain - not having to slow down your attacks or defense - is just great.

Pvp point of view. Breton is the greatest in pvp.

Haha, yeah. I remember the first time i put on an infused stam cost reduction glyph for no cp and went from struggling to sustain on 1.6k regen to having no issues with sub 1k regen. Cost reduction powah!

Dracane · March 2020

Firstmep wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Runefang wrote: »

Well almost all aoes got a cost reduction so in a way they were nerfed because there is now no reason to run Breton over Altmer.

After having added a spell cost reduction yesterday and having experienced the near infinite magicka that it brought me, I no longer consider Breton to be bad at all. You can not fathom how superbly splendid sustain on a Breton is. Not having to worry about sustain - not having to slow down your attacks or defense - is just great.

Pvp point of view. Breton is the greatest in pvp.

Haha, yeah. I remember the first time i put on an infused stam cost reduction glyph for no cp and went from struggling to sustain on 1.6k regen to having no issues with sub 1k regen. Cost reduction powah!

Indeed. Who would have expected them to be so good, especially since only a percentage of the stated value actually applies.
I always favored regeneration, for it looks better to the eye and it gives me a better scaling since it scales with CP and passives.

dazee · March 2020

Runefang wrote: »

Well almost all aoes got a cost reduction so in a way they were nerfed because there is now no reason to run Breton over Altmer.

Theres only one reason to pick any race and that is that you like it and it suits the character you have in mind. If you're playing an mmoRPG the assumption is you're creative and smart enough to have an imagination and know that the character concept is the most important detail by far.

Runefang · March 2020

dazee wrote: »

Runefang wrote: »

Well almost all aoes got a cost reduction so in a way they were nerfed because there is now no reason to run Breton over Altmer.

Theres only one reason to pick any race and that is that you like it and it suits the character you have in mind. If you're playing an mmoRPG the assumption is you're creative and smart enough to have an imagination and know that the character concept is the most important detail by far.

For you.

MashmalloMan · March 2020

dazee wrote: »

Runefang wrote: »

Well almost all aoes got a cost reduction so in a way they were nerfed because there is now no reason to run Breton over Altmer.

Theres only one reason to pick any race and that is that you like it and it suits the character you have in mind. If you're playing an mmoRPG the assumption is you're creative and smart enough to have an imagination and know that the character concept is the most important detail by far.

News flash, people like picking races in an mmoRPG for their passives too. Not everyone thinks the same way as you. It's best not to act like your singular way of thought is how everyone should think.

Also, how does playing an mmoRPG mean you must be a creative and smart person? You realize mmo's at their very core are designed to be addictive and sometimes downright monotonous to milk money out of you, any "creative" or "smart" thinker would find the the tedium of grinding an absolute bore and completely avoid a game like this.

Luckily, ESO is on the lower end of that spectrum in most ways, but there are some bad examples in the game. If I wasn't so addicted or attached, I'd be smart enough to not play mmo's at all and spend my "creative" and "smart" thinking on something more productive for my time.

idk · March 2020

dazee wrote: »

Runefang wrote: »

Well almost all aoes got a cost reduction so in a way they were nerfed because there is now no reason to run Breton over Altmer.

Theres only one reason to pick any race and that is that you like it and it suits the character you have in mind. If you're playing an mmoRPG the assumption is you're creative and smart enough to have an imagination and know that the character concept is the most important detail by far.

Not everyone plays the same way as you. Your idea might be good for people more interested in aesthetics but not so smart for the more competitive players. For many that are serious about their builds for PvE and PvP they are smart enough to look at the passive and decide which ones are best for their character build.