When they do the vampire changes should they flip the vampire appearances as well?

Thevampirenight · March 2020

New system would basically require you to feed. But basically you would look like a stage four vampire when well fed from what I understand. Why not reverse that so stage one looks like stage four but has no fire weakness or any real weakness but the cost of being ugly looking and then looking good requiring you to be at your most powerful and well fed but have greater weakness. While also having stage one appearance at stage four well fed. Many people don't like the stage four or stage three appearance. Some do a lot of people might not. I really like the stage one and stage two appearances right now in the game. If your going to flip how vampirism work flip it all the way it works Make being well fed have a good appearance and having staving vampires have no weaknesses other then looking ugly. So to have no fire weakness requires being at your most ugly. Instead of looking your best.

precambria · March 2020

Yes they should do this.

Yes it's a good idea, although most people I think use stage 2 for regen so it would probably equate to a net gain of ugliness for the vampire population

TX12001rwb17_ESO · March 2020

Why not have it so the weakest stage is full of weaknesses and has an ugly appearance, you have not feasted on blood so your undead body is weak and withered but while at the strongest stage which must be maintained by consuming blood you look almost normal, you have no weaknesses and have plenty of powers.

I think what they were going for though is the more Vampiric you are the uglier you become.

Thevampirenight · March 2020

Yes they should do this.

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Why not have it so the weakest stage is full of weaknesses and has an ugly appearance, you have not feasted on blood so your undead body is weak and withered but while at the strongest stage which must be maintained by consuming blood you look almost normal, you have no weaknesses and have plenty of powers.

I think what they were going for though is the more Vampiric you are the uglier you become.

Well it would be a trade off while also being in itself unique. Ugly at the cost of not having any weakness. Well fed powerful but at the cost of taking higher damage to fire, and other effects. So I think it would be better doing it with ugly but no weakness or powerful and good looking at the cost of having a higher weakness. I like that idea better actually then the standard vampire trope. Because in itself it would be a unique duality. A Trade off if you will, for being more powerful with weakness vs being ugly weaker in power while having no weakness. So that is something they could in fact do. I hope they do it that way even though it might be more annoying for me to have a higher fire weakness it can be worked around.

5cript · March 2020

I am indifferent about this. I'd be fine with it either way, but I prefer the not as sickly look on my vampires.
Although the very sickly look is sorta badass too, but very ugly at the same time. Sometimes ugliness can be a good thing if it fits the theme. But I hate it on anything but my Vamp Khajit.

FierceSam · March 2020

Vampire currently makes no sense because you get all the power if you don’t feed. So it makes almost no sense to not be a vampire.

Feeding should provide the vampire with power and looks.

A fed, powerful, good looking vampire isn’t a threat to NPCs (they can’t feed any more as there’s no benefit to them) so they should also be immune from the justice system

An unfed vampire should be increasingly less powerful and more ugly. This should provide players with the need to feed. Vampires in this state should increasingly affect the justice system, being shunned and then actively harassed by NPCs until actively hunted by guards.

I’m not sure how often a vampire should need to feed, but once a week is probably a sensible game time. Any longer and it ceases to be meaningful, any shorter and it will feel too much like a pain.

TheRealCherokeee3 · March 2020

I've said it in another thread, but I wouldn't care at this point what they do to the vampire skill/passive set up if they make the new vampire looks mirror the Skryim vampire DLC

PLEEEASE I will even temporarily not gripe about Cyro's abysmal performance issues lol

Tommy_The_Gun · March 2020

No they shouldn't

I would not count on it as it was already stated during interview with Rich Lamber, at Bethesda_DE twitch stream, why they won't do that:

01:03:08 - there is your answer...

xaraan · March 2020

Yes they should do this.

I like this idea. Looking like the ugliest sort of vamp at stage one, like you are famished and need to feed and then looking more human-like and 'healthy' at max level would make more sense.

ShadowHvo · March 2020

No they shouldn't

Absolutely not.

Powerful vampires are recognized as the most monstrous, as it should be.

I sincerely hope that Zenimax will never cater to the vision that vampires should have every benefit in the book without a single of its weaknesses, as this suggestion entails.

I utterly despise the notion that so many players want to be not only beautiful / handsome, but also overtly powerful in the most unholy ways plausible. Vampires are inherently monsters, the ultimate predators of the night, and they're feared rightfully so as such.

After all, you're fortunate that skins work at all. Its easy to hide as it is, no reason to ruin it for all the people who actually like the stage 4 skin.

StormeReigns · March 2020

Yes they should do this.

ShadowHvo wrote: »

Absolutely not.

Powerful vampires are recognized as the most monstrous, as it should be.

I sincerely hope that Zenimax will never cater to the vision that vampires should have every benefit in the book without a single of its weaknesses, as this suggestion entails.

I utterly despise the notion that so many players want to be not only beautiful / handsome, but also overtly powerful in the most unholy ways plausible. Vampires are inherently monsters, the ultimate predators of the night, and they're feared rightfully so as such.

After all, you're fortunate that skins work at all. Its easy to hide as it is, no reason to ruin it for all the people who actually like the stage 4 skin.

Great thing about pop culture and myths, and legends about monsters, they are not set in stone on what a fictional mythological creature should be.
German vampires are vastly different from Norwegian vamps. Whichbare worlds differentfrom.asian vamps and Persian vamps, etc.

As well. Just cause some introverted drunk who never traveled outside his country, let alone his home town (Bramstroker) turned a few historical tid bits and myths into a pop culture phenomenon, doesnt make it the (un)holy grail of vampires and what they must be and act like.

Noxavian · March 2020

No they shouldn't

ShadowHvo wrote: »

Absolutely not.

Powerful vampires are recognized as the most monstrous, as it should be.

I sincerely hope that Zenimax will never cater to the vision that vampires should have every benefit in the book without a single of its weaknesses, as this suggestion entails.

I utterly despise the notion that so many players want to be not only beautiful / handsome, but also overtly powerful in the most unholy ways plausible. Vampires are inherently monsters, the ultimate predators of the night, and they're feared rightfully so as such.

After all, you're fortunate that skins work at all. Its easy to hide as it is, no reason to ruin it for all the people who actually like the stage 4 skin.

We actually agree for once, @ShadowHvo. I prefer my vampires to be monstrous, similar to how they looked in Skyrim after the dawnguard dlc. (Glowing eyes, cuts on their mouth, pale features, etc)

I want my vampire to reflect how powerful they are through such. In fact, I'd actually love it if they made vamps have glowing red-eyes and look more undead tbh.

Linaleah · March 2020

TheRealCherokeee3 wrote: »

I've said it in another thread, but I wouldn't care at this point what they do to the vampire skill/passive set up if they make the new vampire looks mirror the Skryim vampire DLC PLEEEASE I will even temporarily not gripe about Cyro's abysmal performance issues lol

that... is a modded appearance. that's not how vamps look in base Skyrim.

Linaleah · March 2020

that said. lore does establish that vamps can hide their appearance with glamour of sorts.

I personaly would be very ok if you could only keep that glamour out of combat OR needed to allocate a portion of your magika (or magika regen) to be unusable in order to maintain it. so being pretty still comes at a cost, but at least its an option instead of not even being an option at all.

TheRealCherokeee3 · March 2020

Linaleah wrote: »

TheRealCherokeee3 wrote: »

I've said it in another thread, but I wouldn't care at this point what they do to the vampire skill/passive set up if they make the new vampire looks mirror the Skryim vampire DLC PLEEEASE I will even temporarily not gripe about Cyro's abysmal performance issues lol

that... is a modded appearance. that's not how vamps look in base Skyrim.

Correction...I hope they choose to go with the modded Vamp look

Oreyn_Bearclaw · March 2020

Yes they should do this.

Yes, I would prefer that vampires in ESO do not look like extras in the Walking Dead.

Ratzkifal · March 2020

No they shouldn't

So that freshly turned vampires are immediately at their most ugly and monsterous? Or do you start out at stage 4, aka at your most powerful? You told me that when Lamae said "go out and get stronger" that our vampirism would actually get stronger when we feed, which does not sound like starting out at your most powerful if there is supposed to be room to improve.

Isn't part of the appeal of the getting infected trope that nobody notices it at first because it creates suspense?
In the zombie apocalypse there is always that one guy that got bit but doesn't tell the others in the group. With vampires it's similar. The guy who got bit won't tell the others because he doesn't want to be the next they kill, so he eventually turns. Now imagine as soon as the transformation is complete he got bat-faced (or in ESO's case the red eyes and veiny skin). Everyone would immediately be able to tell that this guy got bit and then they would kill him. Even werewolfs don't instantly transform as soon as their disease can't be cured anymore.

Personally I can live with the feeding reversal even if it's not in line with any of the previously established lore, but reversing the appearances on top of that is just silly.

It makes sense that the changes to appearance as you turn are gradual, regardless of whether feeding makes you more human or brings out the monster within you, so the starting stage should look the most human.

idk · March 2020

It seems like an ill-advised idea to reverse the vampire appearance so that the weakest stage looked the lost awful.

The biggest flaw is or would push less skilled players to stay in the riskier stages so they can have the nicest appearance.

I did not answer the poll as it was not clear of yes flip appearance so they stay in line with the stages being flipped or that appearance should run opposite of what they do now.

Toanis · March 2020

There have always been two types of vampire in literature and pop culture, first the dark seducer, strong and handsome when well fed, and turning into a dessicated feeble monster when starved, second the kind who gain strength but lose their humanity, figuratively as well as literally, when they give in to their urges, possibly reaching a point of no return.

The current ESO vampires who are the most powerful when starved may be weird lorewise, but mechanically they work fine, you feed to look fine and get rid of the fire damage, and you use vampire abilities to quickly get back to full powered ugliness.

How will it work after the swap? Will using the vampire abilities bring us closer to a lower stage? Will the vampirism buff become the equivalent of an energy bar for vampire abilities, with a constant need to refill it like the werewolf?

Ratzkifal · March 2020

No they shouldn't

Toanis wrote: »

There have always been two types of vampire in literature and pop culture, first the dark seducer, strong and handsome when well fed, and turning into a dessicated feeble monster when starved, second the kind who gain strength but lose their humanity, figuratively as well as literally, when they give in to their urges, possibly reaching a point of no return.

The current ESO vampires who are the most powerful when starved may be weird lorewise, but mechanically they work fine, you feed to look fine and get rid of the fire damage, and you use vampire abilities to quickly get back to full powered ugliness.

How will it work after the swap? Will using the vampire abilities bring us closer to a lower stage? Will the vampirism buff become the equivalent of an energy bar for vampire abilities, with a constant need to refill it like the werewolf?

@Toanis The way I understand it using vampire abilities will not lower your stage the way it raises your stage now, although I can see ZOS forgetting about changing that detail when the update comes. So the only thing that would lower you stage in Greymoor would be going a certain time without feeding.
That would achieve ZOS' goal of having players who choose to be vampires be forced to take action and maintain their buff, just as they planned, even if that is in conflict with how vampirism has been depicted in earlier titles of TES including ESO itself.
Personally I would prefer if they just made being seen in stage 4 a crime and kept feeding the same as on live, which would also result in people feeding more and managing their buffs and debuffs just like intended, but won't result in people forgetting to feed before the raid and keep things consistent with previous lore and titles.

Jolipinator · March 2020

I wish they would, but it was confirmed they won't be changing it.

Instead all they have to do is add a new skin to the game. Incognito Vampire. It would give the character their normal appearance, but retain the glowing eyes, and maybe have some kind of Vampiric tattoo or symbol on it somewhere.

Put it in the crown store, or crates, or a trial, or dungeon, or a quest reward, or let it be the reward for the inevitable Greymoor community event (Summerfall and Dragon Rise).

Or if they want to be really creative, add 2 new skins, 1 for Werewolves and 1 for Vampires, but make them conditional. Only characters with the corresponding disease can use the skin.

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