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ESO logs - violates our rights !!!
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colossalvoids✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Skills instant cast with block was concidered as bug and removed.
Some skills were buged for years and get fixed.
I hope that this option will be removed , becouse it gives more information about players than game does and it is cheating !!!
Looks like anti animation cancelling arguments... But you knew that esologs website and app are actually approved by Zenimax and probably in a first place made by their request? What a cheat.2 -
Raisin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Skills instant cast with block was concidered as bug and removed.
Some skills were buged for years and get fixed.
I hope that this option will be removed , becouse it gives more information about players than game does and it is cheating !!!
ESO logs isn't a bug though. Nor is it cheating. It's just a feature you really don't like because it seems like you have an inflated feeling of ownership and pride over the gear/skills you've chosen to run.
ESO logs by definition cannot give 'more information about players than game does' because ESO logs is part of the game. The game allows other people to view your build. That's how it is, like it or not.4 -
BiggiebiggsSoul ShrivenAlienoutlaw wrote: »this is an old argument and has already played itself out in other threads.
its been a part of the game for almost a year and love it or hate it, its not going anywhere anytime soon.
any argument you have now has been said before and countered HERE
If you happy with some old thread, thats irrelevant, just don't comment then.
Yes, it is not going anywhere ZoS has put millions of dollars in the system.
My solution would be, that when you choose anonymous for youself, you get out of the logs completely by name, ofc buffs and such stays like before everything. That way has to do some work at least to dig ones dps/healing. And gear couldnt be shown too.
That would be good to everyone, raid guilds could require everyone to show their name, and randoms/pugs woulnt see it if not wanted.1 -
Alienoutlaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭FYI there are other addons that give similar info, addons that tell others about your loot drops even if you dont want them to know, if someone wants to copy "your" build take it as a compliment, the only time this app is bad is when its used to bully players or exclude them from content (so far there has been nothing like this reported, at least on the forums), as for cheating well nothing in the logs can be used to gain an advantage or circumvent/exploit mechanics.
as i said, this is an old argument long put to rest.1 -
Alienoutlaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Biggiebiggs wrote: »Alienoutlaw wrote: »this is an old argument and has already played itself out in other threads.
its been a part of the game for almost a year and love it or hate it, its not going anywhere anytime soon.
any argument you have now has been said before and countered HERE
If you happy with some old thread, thats irrelevant, just don't comment then.
Yes, it is not going anywhere ZoS has put millions of dollars in the system.
My solution would be, that when you choose anonymous for youself, you get out of the logs completely by name, ofc buffs and such stays like before everything. That way has to do some work at least to dig ones dps/healing. And gear couldnt be shown too.
That would be good to everyone, raid guilds could require everyone to show their name, and randoms/pugs woulnt see it if not wanted.
how is a 22page 637posts on this very subject "irrelevant"? the only thread irrelevant is this one2 -
BiggiebiggsSoul ShrivenAlienoutlaw wrote: »FYI there are other addons that give similar info, addons that tell others about your loot drops even if you dont want them to know, if someone wants to copy "your" build take it as a compliment, the only time this app is bad is when its used to bully players or exclude them from content (so far there has been nothing like this reported, at least on the forums), as for cheating well nothing in the logs can be used to gain an advantage or circumvent/exploit mechanics.
as i said, this is an old argument long put to rest.
There is new players and those who reach level of logging being a thing all the time. Loot adddons also don't have anything to do with this subject. Please don't comment anymore just because you want to stalk people.0 -
Raisin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Alienoutlaw wrote: »FYI there are other addons that give similar info, addons that tell others about your loot drops even if you dont want them to know, if someone wants to copy "your" build take it as a compliment, the only time this app is bad is when its used to bully players or exclude them from content (so far there has been nothing like this reported, at least on the forums), as for cheating well nothing in the logs can be used to gain an advantage or circumvent/exploit mechanics.
as i said, this is an old argument long put to rest.
I think telling OP about lootdrop will have consequences....
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Alienoutlaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Alienoutlaw wrote: »FYI there are other addons that give similar info, addons that tell others about your loot drops even if you dont want them to know, if someone wants to copy "your" build take it as a compliment, the only time this app is bad is when its used to bully players or exclude them from content (so far there has been nothing like this reported, at least on the forums), as for cheating well nothing in the logs can be used to gain an advantage or circumvent/exploit mechanics.
as i said, this is an old argument long put to rest.
I think telling OP about lootdrop will have consequences....
bugger didnt think that far ahead
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✭Dusk_Coven wrote: »I don't know about "cheating", but if they are harassing you based on information from it, then report them for harassment.
For the moment I think that's the best you can do.
You can set yourself to "Appear Anonymously", but if no one else is anonymous, guess who that anonymous person is. So we can't really count on anonymity at all.
Lol, we all know how much reporting someone for harassment in this game achieves so this is just useless advice and a waste of anyone's time. Like no one ever gets banned or any kind of consequences for harassment.1 -
Alienoutlaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Biggiebiggs wrote: »Alienoutlaw wrote: »FYI there are other addons that give similar info, addons that tell others about your loot drops even if you dont want them to know, if someone wants to copy "your" build take it as a compliment, the only time this app is bad is when its used to bully players or exclude them from content (so far there has been nothing like this reported, at least on the forums), as for cheating well nothing in the logs can be used to gain an advantage or circumvent/exploit mechanics.
as i said, this is an old argument long put to rest.
There is new players and those who reach level of logging being a thing all the time. Loot adddons also don't have anything to do with this subject. Please don't comment anymore just because you want to stalk people.
i think i have more in depth knowledge of the subject so i'll comment as i see fit
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BeamsForDemacia✭✭✭NOONE will blame or accuse u because of gear/skills unless its a troll or he is really toxic, if u are doing Dungeons or nTrials noone will log and care, if u pug vet Trials just ignore other ppl or if u outparse them and they Question u just flame them, and in Guild runs u should take constructive criticism to improve , so i see no Problem with the logsEdited by BeamsForDemacia on March 5, 2020 9:07AMIR/GH/TTT/GS [MEDUSA]2
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✭Alienoutlaw wrote: »FYI there are other addons that give similar info, addons that tell others about your loot drops even if you dont want them to know, if someone wants to copy "your" build take it as a compliment, the only time this app is bad is when its used to bully players or exclude them from content (so far there has been nothing like this reported, at least on the forums), as for cheating well nothing in the logs can be used to gain an advantage or circumvent/exploit mechanics.
as i said, this is an old argument long put to rest.
I think telling OP about lootdrop will have consequences....
Lootdrop is literally the worst addon. I'm sick of getting harassed by some dummy who think they're entitled to what I got. And don't suggest I report them, because that does nothing. Harassement is clearly not against the TOS in this game because support does nothing about it.Edited by redgreensunset on March 5, 2020 9:06AM3 -
Raisin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭redgreensunset wrote: »Alienoutlaw wrote: »FYI there are other addons that give similar info, addons that tell others about your loot drops even if you dont want them to know, if someone wants to copy "your" build take it as a compliment, the only time this app is bad is when its used to bully players or exclude them from content (so far there has been nothing like this reported, at least on the forums), as for cheating well nothing in the logs can be used to gain an advantage or circumvent/exploit mechanics.
as i said, this is an old argument long put to rest.
I think telling OP about lootdrop will have consequences....
Lootdrop is literally the worst addon. I'm sick of getting harassed by some dummy who think they're entitled to what I got. And don't suggest I report them, because that does nothing. Harassement is clearly not against the TOS in this game because support does nothing about it.
Honestly I just can't stand my chat being spammed by it, and it's not worth the trouble ever turning it on for some specific run. In a farm run people will certainly post what they're willing to chair, and in a non-farm run my only fear is that the language barrier is why someone isn't communicating about a drop if asked. But to each their own.Edited by Raisin on March 5, 2020 9:09AM1 -
BiggiebiggsSoul ShrivenAlienoutlaw wrote: »Biggiebiggs wrote: »Alienoutlaw wrote: »FYI t
as i said, this is an old argument long put to rest.
There is new players and those who reach level of logging being a thing all the time. Loot adddons also don't have anything to do with this subject. Please don't comment anymore just because you want to stalk people.
i think i have more in depth knowledge of the subject so i'll comment as i see fit
Do tell more, what you consider "knowledge".Alienoutlaw wrote: »Biggiebiggs wrote: »Alienoutlaw wrote: »this is an old argument and
If you happy with some old thread, thats irrelevant, just don't comment then.
Yes, it is not going anywhere ZoS has put millions of dollars in the system.
My solution would be, that when you choose anonymous for youself, you get out of the logs completely by name, ofc buffs and such stays like before everything. That way has to do some work at least to dig ones dps/healing. And gear couldnt be shown too.
That would be good to everyone, raid guilds could require everyone to show their name, and randoms/pugs woulnt see it if not wanted.
how is a 22page 637posts on this very subject "irrelevant"? the only thread irrelevant is this one
Just because you have put effort to some post, doesnt mean its the final truth in any way. Welcome to the internet son.0 -
redgreensunset✭✭✭✭✭
✭redgreensunset wrote: »Alienoutlaw wrote: »FYI there are other addons that give similar info, addons that tell others about your loot drops even if you dont want them to know, if someone wants to copy "your" build take it as a compliment, the only time this app is bad is when its used to bully players or exclude them from content (so far there has been nothing like this reported, at least on the forums), as for cheating well nothing in the logs can be used to gain an advantage or circumvent/exploit mechanics.
as i said, this is an old argument long put to rest.
I think telling OP about lootdrop will have consequences....
Lootdrop is literally the worst addon. I'm sick of getting harassed by some dummy who think they're entitled to what I got. And don't suggest I report them, because that does nothing. Harassement is clearly not against the TOS in this game because support does nothing about it.
Honestly I just can't stand my chat being spammed by it, and it's not worth the trouble ever turning it on for some specific run. In a farm run people will certainly post what they're willing to chair, and in a non-farm run my only fear is that the language barrier is why someone isn't communicating about a drop if asked. But to each their own.
I'm so tired of it personally I have chat off when I pug. Yes I know this is less than ideal, but you can all thank this addon and multiple cases of harassment for it.0 -
BiggiebiggsSoul Shrivenredgreensunset wrote: »Alienoutlaw wrote: »FYI there are other addons that give similar info, addons that tell others about your loot drops even if you dont want them to know, if someone wants to copy "your" build take it as a compliment, the only time this app is bad is when its used to bully players or exclude them from content (so far there has been nothing like this reported, at least on the forums), as for cheating well nothing in the logs can be used to gain an advantage or circumvent/exploit mechanics.
as i said, this is an old argument long put to rest.
I think telling OP about lootdrop will have consequences....
Lootdrop is literally the worst addon. I'm sick of getting harassed by some dummy who think they're entitled to what I got. And don't suggest I report them, because that does nothing. Harassement is clearly not against the TOS in this game because support does nothing about it.
Honestly I just can't stand my chat being spammed by it, and it's not worth the trouble ever turning it on for some specific run. In a farm run people will certainly post what they're willing to chair, and in a non-farm run my only fear is that the language barrier is why someone isn't communicating about a drop if asked. But to each their own.
I use LUI extended for drops too, you can define which drops are shown, not trash items for example. And yes it can be turned off.
IMHO it is ok addon, because without it, I am sure especially on pugs it saves ton of time and makes it even possible to get what you want, because many times people just leave fast and certainly wouldnt stay for 15 minute "anyone have that", with that you can ask may i have X piece0 -
Raisin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭redgreensunset wrote: »redgreensunset wrote: »Alienoutlaw wrote: »FYI there are other addons that give similar info, addons that tell others about your loot drops even if you dont want them to know, if someone wants to copy "your" build take it as a compliment, the only time this app is bad is when its used to bully players or exclude them from content (so far there has been nothing like this reported, at least on the forums), as for cheating well nothing in the logs can be used to gain an advantage or circumvent/exploit mechanics.
as i said, this is an old argument long put to rest.
I think telling OP about lootdrop will have consequences....
Lootdrop is literally the worst addon. I'm sick of getting harassed by some dummy who think they're entitled to what I got. And don't suggest I report them, because that does nothing. Harassement is clearly not against the TOS in this game because support does nothing about it.
Honestly I just can't stand my chat being spammed by it, and it's not worth the trouble ever turning it on for some specific run. In a farm run people will certainly post what they're willing to chair, and in a non-farm run my only fear is that the language barrier is why someone isn't communicating about a drop if asked. But to each their own.
I'm so tired of it personally I have chat off when I pug. Yes I know this is less than ideal, but you can all thank this addon and multiple cases of harassment for it.
You'd be in the same situation without the addon. There will always be people like that, and they'll find a reason to behave the way you do. Without the addon they'd just be harassing you about what you dropped. Those kind of behavioral patterns don't change, they just adapt to the material they can work with. And you must also be very unlucky because it's never happened to me before. Sucks.0 -
Raisin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Biggiebiggs wrote: »redgreensunset wrote: »Alienoutlaw wrote: »FYI there are other addons that give similar info, addons that tell others about your loot drops even if you dont want them to know, if someone wants to copy "your" build take it as a compliment, the only time this app is bad is when its used to bully players or exclude them from content (so far there has been nothing like this reported, at least on the forums), as for cheating well nothing in the logs can be used to gain an advantage or circumvent/exploit mechanics.
as i said, this is an old argument long put to rest.
I think telling OP about lootdrop will have consequences....
Lootdrop is literally the worst addon. I'm sick of getting harassed by some dummy who think they're entitled to what I got. And don't suggest I report them, because that does nothing. Harassement is clearly not against the TOS in this game because support does nothing about it.
Honestly I just can't stand my chat being spammed by it, and it's not worth the trouble ever turning it on for some specific run. In a farm run people will certainly post what they're willing to chair, and in a non-farm run my only fear is that the language barrier is why someone isn't communicating about a drop if asked. But to each their own.
I use LUI extended for drops too, you can define which drops are shown, not trash items for example. And yes it can be turned off.
IMHO it is ok addon, because without it, I am sure especially on pugs it saves ton of time and makes it even possible to get what you want, because many times people just leave fast and certainly wouldnt stay for 15 minute "anyone have that", with that you can ask may i have X piece
That definitely sounds like a better solution, though I personally still wouldn't get LUI just for the drops. From what I've seen, people are pretty evenly split about lootdrop -- some find it offensive to be whispered about a drop, some find it convenient and don't mind at all. I definitely prefer just being lazy and not posting what I got, expecting the other players to check and just whisper me if they see I dropped something they like... But since they may not use the addon, I'll still link items in chat so no one misses it. I don't think that's ever going to change, because of how equally represented both sides of this seem to be.0 -
redgreensunset✭✭✭✭✭
✭redgreensunset wrote: »redgreensunset wrote: »Alienoutlaw wrote: »FYI there are other addons that give similar info, addons that tell others about your loot drops even if you dont want them to know, if someone wants to copy "your" build take it as a compliment, the only time this app is bad is when its used to bully players or exclude them from content (so far there has been nothing like this reported, at least on the forums), as for cheating well nothing in the logs can be used to gain an advantage or circumvent/exploit mechanics.
as i said, this is an old argument long put to rest.
I think telling OP about lootdrop will have consequences....
Lootdrop is literally the worst addon. I'm sick of getting harassed by some dummy who think they're entitled to what I got. And don't suggest I report them, because that does nothing. Harassement is clearly not against the TOS in this game because support does nothing about it.
Honestly I just can't stand my chat being spammed by it, and it's not worth the trouble ever turning it on for some specific run. In a farm run people will certainly post what they're willing to chair, and in a non-farm run my only fear is that the language barrier is why someone isn't communicating about a drop if asked. But to each their own.
I'm so tired of it personally I have chat off when I pug. Yes I know this is less than ideal, but you can all thank this addon and multiple cases of harassment for it.
You'd be in the same situation without the addon. There will always be people like that, and they'll find a reason to behave the way you do. Without the addon they'd just be harassing you about what you dropped. Those kind of behavioral patterns don't change, they just adapt to the material they can work with. And you must also be very unlucky because it's never happened to me before. Sucks.
No I wouldn't be. Because then I could just tell them I didn't get anything and there would be nothing they could say to that, pkus we all know what the RNG in this game is like so low/no drops is not unlikely. I've had dungeon/trial runs like that. Here they know exactly what i have and they will keep harassing me for hours for it. No reporting does nothing. So thanks to the *** who invented that addon for enabeling this behavior, I hope that person is faced with the same constant behavior in groups that I am because it's what they deserve.1 -
Raisin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭redgreensunset wrote: »redgreensunset wrote: »redgreensunset wrote: »Alienoutlaw wrote: »FYI there are other addons that give similar info, addons that tell others about your loot drops even if you dont want them to know, if someone wants to copy "your" build take it as a compliment, the only time this app is bad is when its used to bully players or exclude them from content (so far there has been nothing like this reported, at least on the forums), as for cheating well nothing in the logs can be used to gain an advantage or circumvent/exploit mechanics.
as i said, this is an old argument long put to rest.
I think telling OP about lootdrop will have consequences....
Lootdrop is literally the worst addon. I'm sick of getting harassed by some dummy who think they're entitled to what I got. And don't suggest I report them, because that does nothing. Harassement is clearly not against the TOS in this game because support does nothing about it.
Honestly I just can't stand my chat being spammed by it, and it's not worth the trouble ever turning it on for some specific run. In a farm run people will certainly post what they're willing to chair, and in a non-farm run my only fear is that the language barrier is why someone isn't communicating about a drop if asked. But to each their own.
I'm so tired of it personally I have chat off when I pug. Yes I know this is less than ideal, but you can all thank this addon and multiple cases of harassment for it.
You'd be in the same situation without the addon. There will always be people like that, and they'll find a reason to behave the way you do. Without the addon they'd just be harassing you about what you dropped. Those kind of behavioral patterns don't change, they just adapt to the material they can work with. And you must also be very unlucky because it's never happened to me before. Sucks.
No I wouldn't be. Because then I could just tell them I didn't get anything and there would be nothing they could say to that, pkus we all know what the RNG in this game is like so low/no drops is not unlikely. I've had dungeon/trial runs like that. Here they know exactly what i have and they will keep harassing me for hours for it. No reporting does nothing. So thanks to the *** who invented that addon for enabeling this behavior, I hope that person is faced with the same constant behavior in groups that I am because it's what they deserve.
Sorry for the confusion, but they would still be *** is the point. They'd find other things to be *** about. Even if it wasn't the exact same thing, you'd still have crap like it happening in the chatbox and end up closing it again. The fact that they're using the addon to find something to be *** about isn't the fault of responsibility of a person who decided to put time and effort into making a useful tool for community, and they don't deserve your threats. These people don't need enabling to be a nuisance. And obviously you know this, but you need to block someone before they have the chance to harass you for actual hours.1 -
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✭Eso logs violates our rights, just think about players, who plays not by alcast builds, but base on their own. Why every one can just look your gear, skills and etc even if you are anonim ?
Remove the function to see other peoples skills and gear !!! Why others see skills on my panel, that i may be do not use in this fight ? It is cheating software ! I do not care if ZOS can see any information, but why some bad playing dude say me anonim27 - why do you have this skill on back bare ? Why do you wear this gear ? Why not some alcast standart zaan+mothersorrow+false god on all his builds.
Why do others get any of my privat information ?
That they can not get by any ways put in game. It is cheating software !!!
I do not care that even they can see my heal and dps information, but why my build can be explored ? Why do they see it even on anonimus ?
I do not want any other player have any privat information about me, only if i want give it to them.
I don't think it works like that. I thought you could tick some option that will make your logs anonymous so they won't know.
I actually would love for ESO logs to be available on the console. It's such an amazing tool.PS4 EU Aga_The_Grey - retired | PC EU AgaTheGreat3 -
Raisin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭AgaTheGreat wrote: »Eso logs violates our rights, just think about players, who plays not by alcast builds, but base on their own. Why every one can just look your gear, skills and etc even if you are anonim ?
Remove the function to see other peoples skills and gear !!! Why others see skills on my panel, that i may be do not use in this fight ? It is cheating software ! I do not care if ZOS can see any information, but why some bad playing dude say me anonim27 - why do you have this skill on back bare ? Why do you wear this gear ? Why not some alcast standart zaan+mothersorrow+false god on all his builds.
Why do others get any of my privat information ?
That they can not get by any ways put in game. It is cheating software !!!
I do not care that even they can see my heal and dps information, but why my build can be explored ? Why do they see it even on anonimus ?
I do not want any other player have any privat information about me, only if i want give it to them.
I don't think it works like that. I thought you could tick some option that will make your logs anonymous so they won't know.
I actually would love for ESO logs to be available on the console. It's such an amazing tool.
The only thing the 'anonymous' option currently does is replace your name/user ID. The information is still available, just your name doesn't get tied to the info. It's just often still possible to deduce who was who.1 -
redgreensunset✭✭✭✭✭
✭redgreensunset wrote: »redgreensunset wrote: »redgreensunset wrote: »Alienoutlaw wrote: »FYI there are other addons that give similar info, addons that tell others about your loot drops even if you dont want them to know, if someone wants to copy "your" build take it as a compliment, the only time this app is bad is when its used to bully players or exclude them from content (so far there has been nothing like this reported, at least on the forums), as for cheating well nothing in the logs can be used to gain an advantage or circumvent/exploit mechanics.
as i said, this is an old argument long put to rest.
I think telling OP about lootdrop will have consequences....
Lootdrop is literally the worst addon. I'm sick of getting harassed by some dummy who think they're entitled to what I got. And don't suggest I report them, because that does nothing. Harassement is clearly not against the TOS in this game because support does nothing about it.
Honestly I just can't stand my chat being spammed by it, and it's not worth the trouble ever turning it on for some specific run. In a farm run people will certainly post what they're willing to chair, and in a non-farm run my only fear is that the language barrier is why someone isn't communicating about a drop if asked. But to each their own.
I'm so tired of it personally I have chat off when I pug. Yes I know this is less than ideal, but you can all thank this addon and multiple cases of harassment for it.
You'd be in the same situation without the addon. There will always be people like that, and they'll find a reason to behave the way you do. Without the addon they'd just be harassing you about what you dropped. Those kind of behavioral patterns don't change, they just adapt to the material they can work with. And you must also be very unlucky because it's never happened to me before. Sucks.
No I wouldn't be. Because then I could just tell them I didn't get anything and there would be nothing they could say to that, pkus we all know what the RNG in this game is like so low/no drops is not unlikely. I've had dungeon/trial runs like that. Here they know exactly what i have and they will keep harassing me for hours for it. No reporting does nothing. So thanks to the *** who invented that addon for enabeling this behavior, I hope that person is faced with the same constant behavior in groups that I am because it's what they deserve.
Sorry for the confusion, but they would still be *** is the point. They'd find other things to be *** about. Even if it wasn't the exact same thing, you'd still have crap like it happening in the chatbox and end up closing it again. The fact that they're using the addon to find something to be *** about isn't the fault of responsibility of a person who decided to put time and effort into making a useful tool for community, and they don't deserve your threats. These people don't need enabling to be a nuisance. And obviously you know this, but you need to block someone before they have the chance to harass you for actual hours.
Except what ungodly purpose does that addon serve except to serve as an enabler for harassment? None.
Whatever my feelinga about ESOlogs I can see their purpose in a greater perspective of improving builds, groups and synergies for more efficient runs. But what reason does anyone need to know what drops another players has had apart from being able to harass them about it? None whatsoever. ESOlogs aerve a purpose but lootdrop only serves as a tool for harassers.
Further, blocking someone doesn't prevent them from hopping on alt accounts and continuing or getting friends to join in and you can only block these *** so many times before you quit the game entirely.
I repeat, lootdrop serves zero purpose apart from as a tol of harassers. I can only assume the creator of it is one of that kind.3 -
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✭✭✭redgreensunset wrote: »redgreensunset wrote: »redgreensunset wrote: »redgreensunset wrote: »Alienoutlaw wrote: »FYI there are other addons that give similar info, addons that tell others about your loot drops even if you dont want them to know, if someone wants to copy "your" build take it as a compliment, the only time this app is bad is when its used to bully players or exclude them from content (so far there has been nothing like this reported, at least on the forums), as for cheating well nothing in the logs can be used to gain an advantage or circumvent/exploit mechanics.
as i said, this is an old argument long put to rest.
I think telling OP about lootdrop will have consequences....
Lootdrop is literally the worst addon. I'm sick of getting harassed by some dummy who think they're entitled to what I got. And don't suggest I report them, because that does nothing. Harassement is clearly not against the TOS in this game because support does nothing about it.
Honestly I just can't stand my chat being spammed by it, and it's not worth the trouble ever turning it on for some specific run. In a farm run people will certainly post what they're willing to chair, and in a non-farm run my only fear is that the language barrier is why someone isn't communicating about a drop if asked. But to each their own.
I'm so tired of it personally I have chat off when I pug. Yes I know this is less than ideal, but you can all thank this addon and multiple cases of harassment for it.
You'd be in the same situation without the addon. There will always be people like that, and they'll find a reason to behave the way you do. Without the addon they'd just be harassing you about what you dropped. Those kind of behavioral patterns don't change, they just adapt to the material they can work with. And you must also be very unlucky because it's never happened to me before. Sucks.
No I wouldn't be. Because then I could just tell them I didn't get anything and there would be nothing they could say to that, pkus we all know what the RNG in this game is like so low/no drops is not unlikely. I've had dungeon/trial runs like that. Here they know exactly what i have and they will keep harassing me for hours for it. No reporting does nothing. So thanks to the *** who invented that addon for enabeling this behavior, I hope that person is faced with the same constant behavior in groups that I am because it's what they deserve.
Sorry for the confusion, but they would still be *** is the point. They'd find other things to be *** about. Even if it wasn't the exact same thing, you'd still have crap like it happening in the chatbox and end up closing it again. The fact that they're using the addon to find something to be *** about isn't the fault of responsibility of a person who decided to put time and effort into making a useful tool for community, and they don't deserve your threats. These people don't need enabling to be a nuisance. And obviously you know this, but you need to block someone before they have the chance to harass you for actual hours.
Except what ungodly purpose does that addon serve except to serve as an enabler for harassment? None.
Whatever my feelinga about ESOlogs I can see their purpose in a greater perspective of improving builds, groups and synergies for more efficient runs. But what reason does anyone need to know what drops another players has had apart from being able to harass them about it? None whatsoever. ESOlogs aerve a purpose but lootdrop only serves as a tool for harassers.
Further, blocking someone doesn't prevent them from hopping on alt accounts and continuing or getting friends to join in and you can only block these *** so many times before you quit the game entirely.
I repeat, lootdrop serves zero purpose apart from as a tol of harassers. I can only assume the creator of it is one of that kind.
I think you're just associating it too much with some stuff that happened to you. As I said earlier, many, including me, appreciate the comfort that comes with having the addon handle some stuff for you. Some people are communication shy. Most of the people that have whispered me about loot I dropped had very limited english vocabulary and from playing with friends that share that issue, I know for sure that they much prefer not having to struggle with the communication. It's not the biggest deal, but it's a small QOL thing for many. I think rationally you know that neither the creator nor most people that use it do it with some sole evil intention of harassing others because of it, and they also likely don't use it as a reason for harassment in practice. It's perfectly possible to use it without harassing anyone, unless your definition of harassment already starts when someone asks you once, nicely, which I douhbt it does.
And I'm sorry, but there is no way that someone wasted their time using friends and alt accounts to harass you over some loot you dropped unless there is much more to that story. The fact alone that you seem to have had so many issues with people using this addon in comparison to anyone else I know is already hard to take at face value. I think whatever initially happened, at this point you're way too biased on the topic and that's skewed your perspective.1 -
deleted008293✭✭✭✭I'm really sorry about this but you should know by now that you do not have rights in the internet.2
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✭✭✭✭✭You have 11 other people in your 12 raid group who also put time and ressources in that content. And think its good when other can see if everyone is willing to put the same time and ressources in that content.
for me as a raidlead its a really good check if everything is right. If my team has the right setups, the right skills and do the right things so that we as a group have the best possible experience for the content we do.
Noboby (ok 99%) care about random normal trial or dungeon runs and check logs or anything..Edited by The_Saint on March 5, 2020 11:05AM6 -
InaMoonlight✭✭✭✭✭There are interface addons that shows buffs of target, friendly or foe, it'll show if you're on vampire/were bite cool-down, it'll show the effect you have off a complete set, it'll even show your potion cool-down and type of food There's like at least four of those addons? Edit = Typos ... as usual. <;D0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Isn't it switched OFF by default and I don't see the problem
I've never used it yet there is nothing saved for my chars
https://www.esologs.com/character/eu/megaserver/vex valentino
https://www.esologs.com/character/eu/megaserver/vex valentino v
https://www.esologs.com/character/eu/megaserver/growls-at-the-badger#
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✭✭JamieAubrey wrote: »Isn't it switched OFF by default and I don't see the problem
I've never used it yet there is nothing saved for my chars
https://www.esologs.com/character/eu/megaserver/vex valentino
https://www.esologs.com/character/eu/megaserver/vex valentino v
https://www.esologs.com/character/eu/megaserver/growls-at-the-badger#
etc etc
You can't switch it off.
You can have your data show up as anonymous.
In any case, no, it doesn't violate our rights as we don't have any rights here to begin with.
End of story.In-game username: Un1korn | Happy member of the PCNA UESP guild (Resident Daggerfall Covenant enjoyer) | Main & basically only character: Crucian Vulpin, Imperial Dragonknight of the Daggerfall Covenant, and Undaunted Bulwark (I tank) | Mountain bike enjoyer and vulpine appreciator | If you know me from PCEU: No | To ZOS: THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME BRING MY HORSE INTO BATTLE!1 -
deleted008293✭✭✭✭Problem with that is that you can put a lot of effort into playing in some competitive content but for a reason or another you do less buffs, debuffs, healing than another player. For example you are not yet fully comfortable with your build or simply preffer to be a bit more selfish rather than doing some noob mistakes and die or lose sustain. Poof you get replaced next raid without even a warning, all that based on addons such as eso logs and others.
This sort of "content" only help creating an even more ceiling between entry level and end game. People can get harassed, trolled, bullied, replaced just by judging and sharing those logs in public space. Similar to recording videos, taking pictures or steaming. Without permission on top of that.
Now I'm asking you who do you want in your raid? A selfish tank who know what to do and doesn't die? Or a meta one who have no idea how to play his role and dies tons? I was a good tank for a reason. Back in the days when meta started to be implemented, people using that used to fall like flies in raids such as vHRC. Ofc when I got more comfortable with my skills and build I started to slowly adapt meta. Thing is not everyone here is a day 1 player so keep that in mind and give them time to learn and improve. Even those day 1 players. Because unlike you they might never played a single video game in their life prior.
Also you want that player who helped you since you started a guild or a group? Or you replace him or her cos a better one with some titties show up in his or her place? You want a loyal player who is there every raid despite not having the best performances or some elite guy or girl whom comes there with big fuss kicks some ppl from your team then a week or two later dissapear without a word cos they found a better team?
I did saw teams in the past whom kept players whose performances weren't the best, or crashed or so so on just because one thing. They were loyal and they did tried their best. And that in time worked up in their favor by having a solid team and a solid guild that stick there for ages. Those teams who always seek the best will often die just as fast for not having a consistent team to raid with. Been in too many teams already. Must be few hundreds.
With or without eso logs players shold keep that in mind before judging someone performances. Just look over them and see what isn't working and try to talk about how things could change for the better, such as positioning, team composition or skills. But don't abuse that and start laughting at X for beign a noob in a good team. Nor try to take over a progression group because a certain person isn't as good despite the fact he was there since ages before you.
Also that addon Lootbox or how its called... it also invade your privacy and it does affect you as an individual way more. I complained about it but hey? Who I am to say to X end game zos favorite player that he can't spy or have my loot? I'm a giving person who really can't say no so this kind of addon really affect me as an individual because It feels like my privacy or loot is beign stolen away. And you will give me right to a point.
I got this v^v item I fought so hard but here comes X and begs for it, X whom helped me a lot, so I have nowhere to go and give it away and prioritize others before me. Happens again but this time Y jumps on me and so on. If you are a selfless person this kind of addon really affects you in a negative way. Why zos allow such addons? Cos they don't listen to its player base. They only listen to a certain player base. Those few end gamers whom are very power hungry about pretty much everything.
Also complained about another addon Custom Titles whom damaged my friendship and relationship with someone, destroying me and everything I achieved in this game... guess again? I'm alone into this. Everyone using this addon jumped on me like "disable it" WRONG. You want this addon, you install it on your own pc. You do not install it on my pc with or without any sort of disclaimer. Capisci?
@ZOS you should be more responsible for which addons get past your missing quality team of yours and prevent such abuses to happen in the first place.
Whats next? An addon that will make my private chat public?3
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