Hey zenimax! Seperate roleplayers pls

OrphanHelgen · March 2020

You did good. Made the group tool function so you can only put one role. People still don't give a ***. 3'rd times now whipefest because the tank use bow instead of a taunt. I think this is a legit reason for ragequit and remove the penalty after quitting for group tool because of this would be nice too. Please permaban those who are registered as their role without doing it, specially in a vet dlc dung when they are cp 810. They clearly have bought their account or nothing to do in an online game besides offline mode and housing ty. A dungeon with rng drops and bis gear, is not designed to sit quietly and patient for 3 hours because one person decided he wanted to tank with a bow today. If you wanna rp in dung, say it in special guilds. I don't come and ruin roleplaying, so roleplayers pls don't come ruin dungeon runs either. It works both ways!

[Edit to remove bait in title]

NotaDaedraWorshipper · March 2020

That has nothing to do with roleplaying...

OrphanHelgen · March 2020

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

That has nothing to do with roleplaying...

I can't find another reason why someone would tank with a bow tho

Synaki · March 2020

Skipping the que by ticking tank box is not roleplay tho.

OlumoGarbag · March 2020

There is a vote kick function and you can always leave.
But yeah fake tanks are annoying in vet dlc dungeons. I only fake tank when I can make sure I pull most dps in the group and still taunt and tank all the mechanics

OrphanHelgen · March 2020

Synaki wrote: »

Skipping the que by ticking tank box is not roleplay tho.

Then they should completely redesign the group tool

NotaDaedraWorshipper · March 2020

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

That has nothing to do with roleplaying...

I can't find another reason why someone would tank with a bow tho

Because they are lazy and don't want to wait in queue? Because they feel they are more important and don't want to wait in queue? Because they aren't that intelligent? They think they can multitask?

Seriously, saying they are doing it for roleplaying reasons is the most obscure and bizzare thing I've heard in weeks.

CMDR_Un1k0rn · March 2020

OP, genuine question here, so that we can all understand. Are you saying roleplay to refer to the dungeon team roles people choose, or the more traditional definition of people playing a character in the way people might do in say, D&D?

Danksta · March 2020

What's wrong with tanking with a bow? That's perfectly viable.

CMDR_Un1k0rn · March 2020

Danksta wrote: »

What's wrong with tanking with a bow? That's perfectly viable.

No.

It really isn't.

Bow is pure damage with no defensive properties whatsoever. Any debuffs it can give can be done better with other skills far more suited to tanking.

furiouslog · March 2020

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

You did good. Made the group tool function so you can only put one role. People still don't give a ***. 3'rd times now whipefest because the tank use bow instead of a taunt. I think this is a legit reason for ragequit and remove the penalty after quitting for group tool because of this would be nice too. Please permaban those who are registered as their role without doing it, specially in a vet dlc dung when they are cp 810. They clearly have bought their account or nothing to do in an online game besides offline mode and housing ty. A dungeon with rng drops and bis gear, is not designed to sit quietly and patient for 3 hours because one person decided he wanted to tank with a bow today. If you wanna rp in dung, say it in special guilds. I don't come and ruin roleplaying, so roleplayers pls don't come ruin dungeon runs either. It works both ways!

Tanking with a bow is feasible. Volley keeps up crusher pretty well if you manage your toon appropriately and it gives you more flexibility in placement.

Elwendryll · March 2020

I'm a tank. Bow can work on backbar. Not optimal, but the role of backbar is just to apply crusher enchant, and Endless Hail does that just fine. Lighting staff is better because you can inflict minor vulnerability, the spells cost magicka, and it gives you the option to recover magicka with heavy attacks, both weapons have a ranged interrupt.

But I think you're talking about someone signing up with a fake role to get a faster queue. It has nothing to do with roleplayers, it's most likely just disrespectful (or just genuinely clueless) people.

When you know how to tank, you can tank with mostly anything for the easier base dungeons you would usually PUG. You can tank many base game vet dungeons with a full DD build, just keeping the boss in place, and on you.

The LFG tool is nice, but you need to be ready for anything, because anything can happen. Sometimes it's just a set of genuinely inexperienced DDs that can't pull enough DPS to handle some mechanics, sometimes it's fake tank or fake healers.
It can be particularly frustrating yes, but it's the way it is.

Kahnak · March 2020

furiouslog wrote: »

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

You did good. Made the group tool function so you can only put one role. People still don't give a ***. 3'rd times now whipefest because the tank use bow instead of a taunt. I think this is a legit reason for ragequit and remove the penalty after quitting for group tool because of this would be nice too. Please permaban those who are registered as their role without doing it, specially in a vet dlc dung when they are cp 810. They clearly have bought their account or nothing to do in an online game besides offline mode and housing ty. A dungeon with rng drops and bis gear, is not designed to sit quietly and patient for 3 hours because one person decided he wanted to tank with a bow today. If you wanna rp in dung, say it in special guilds. I don't come and ruin roleplaying, so roleplayers pls don't come ruin dungeon runs either. It works both ways!

Tanking with a bow is feasible. Volley keeps up crusher pretty well if you manage your toon appropriately and it gives you more flexibility in placement.

*If the bow is on your backbar and you've got S&B on the front bar.

Otherwise, no it's not feasible.

CassandraGemini · March 2020

CMDR_Un1k0rn wrote: »

OP, genuine question here, so that we can all understand. Are you saying roleplay to refer to the dungeon team roles people choose, or the more traditional definition of people playing a character in the way people might do in say, D&D?

I'm pretty sure OP means the traditional definition, which, of course, has absolutely zero to do with fake tanking. The guy with the bow wasn't a "roleplayer", who didn't want to drop his rping to fulfill his role as a tank - he was simply one of the gazillion fake tanks out there who don't care about waiting in the dd queue, and thus circumvent the wait by queuing as tank or healer. Some people are okay with this because it "makes the dungeon go faster". I think fake tanks/healers are rude and antisocial, and I like to kick them just before the last boss, especially in vet dungeons. I'd much rather wait for a replacement that can actually hold boss aggro than dying repeatedly just because some clown didn't want to wait in line like the rest of us and then just spams bow light attacks on the boss. No thanks.

But, to point this out again: I really don't see how this could have anything to do with roleplaying, in any way, shape or form.

Wyietsayon · March 2020

This is pretty terrible. You've already got the ability to kick players out of groups. You chose to run a group of complete random players. You can always leave a dungeon if you're upset with anything. That's more than enough control over situations.

That tank player maybe never ran a dungeon before and is trying to figure it out. Or maybe they're trying to build a tank that can also do some damage. And instead of talking things out with them, giving advice or having any sort of patience, you want to just permaban them.

Players like you are why people are afraid to try anything involving group content in this game.

SidraWillowsky · March 2020

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

That has nothing to do with roleplaying...

I can't find another reason why someone would tank with a bow tho

People are jerks and cannot wait in the queue associated with their correct role. You dun found yourself a fake tank.... a DPS who for whatever reason thinks that they're above waiting in the DPS queue like the rest of us DPS. It's infuriating sometimes.

Also, why do people constantly insult RPers and blame them for everything? I'd say they're probably the least problematic of us all...

CMDR_Un1k0rn · March 2020

Kahnak wrote: »

furiouslog wrote: »

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

You did good. Made the group tool function so you can only put one role. People still don't give a ***. 3'rd times now whipefest because the tank use bow instead of a taunt. I think this is a legit reason for ragequit and remove the penalty after quitting for group tool because of this would be nice too. Please permaban those who are registered as their role without doing it, specially in a vet dlc dung when they are cp 810. They clearly have bought their account or nothing to do in an online game besides offline mode and housing ty. A dungeon with rng drops and bis gear, is not designed to sit quietly and patient for 3 hours because one person decided he wanted to tank with a bow today. If you wanna rp in dung, say it in special guilds. I don't come and ruin roleplaying, so roleplayers pls don't come ruin dungeon runs either. It works both ways!

Tanking with a bow is feasible. Volley keeps up crusher pretty well if you manage your toon appropriately and it gives you more flexibility in placement.

*If the bow is on your backbar and you've got S&B on the front bar.

Otherwise, no it's not feasible.

Problem there is you have no magicka heavy attack.

OrphanHelgen · March 2020

CMDR_Un1k0rn wrote: »

OP, genuine question here, so that we can all understand. Are you saying roleplay to refer to the dungeon team roles people choose, or the more traditional definition of people playing a character in the way people might do in say, D&D?

I mean, if you queue as a tank, don't yell at your team for dying when you have no taunt on your bar.

OrphanHelgen · March 2020

Wyietsayon wrote: »

This is pretty terrible. You've already got the ability to kick players out of groups. You chose to run a group of complete random players. You can always leave a dungeon if you're upset with anything. That's more than enough control over situations.

That tank player maybe never ran a dungeon before and is trying to figure it out. Or maybe they're trying to build a tank that can also do some damage. And instead of talking things out with them, giving advice or having any sort of patience, you want to just permaban them.

Players like you are why people are afraid to try anything involving group content in this game.

so you saying it's allowed to troll with randoms, because whoever don't like the troll, can just leave? Nice community

CMDR_Un1k0rn · March 2020

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

CMDR_Un1k0rn wrote: »

OP, genuine question here, so that we can all understand. Are you saying roleplay to refer to the dungeon team roles people choose, or the more traditional definition of people playing a character in the way people might do in say, D&D?

I mean, if you queue as a tank, don't yell at your team for dying when you have no taunt on your bar.

That is why I play real tank-only and always have a taunt on both bars as soon as I get the Undaunted taunt.

DtOG · March 2020

I get why people do it. Waiting in que as a dps for an hour just to do a dungeon is mind numbing.

idk · March 2020

NVM. OP is just complaining about getting random players using the AF to find people to run a dungeon with.

Forming one's own group goes a long way to making sure the group meets your standards. It is why I mostly only run with people from my guild. Ofc, we do see what we can find via the GF sometimes and queue with only 3 but we can carry them easily if they are not very experienced. It is fun.

So the solution OP is looking for is already out there. It works very well

Kadoin · March 2020

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

That has nothing to do with roleplaying...

I can't find another reason why someone would tank with a bow tho

How do you know they are not a tank in that exact setup when playing with their family and/or friends where they can do whatever they want and still win because everything is accounted for in an organized group?

Wyietsayon · March 2020

That's the basis of every community. You don't like something, you leave.

Maybe he was trolling, maybe he was new, maybe he messed up his build, maybe he misunderstood it, maybe he queued as a tank by accident or on purpose to avoid the dps wait. Doesn't matter because they all happen. But you've got the power to leave a group or vote kick someone out of a group. That's all the controls you need.

OrphanHelgen · March 2020

Kadoin wrote: »

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

That has nothing to do with roleplaying...

I can't find another reason why someone would tank with a bow tho

How do you know they are not a tank in that exact setup when playing with their family and/or friends where they can do whatever they want and still win because everything is accounted for in an organized group?

I dont' know why the discussion here, if they want to play as they want, they go normal dungeon, not vet dlc. Period. The vet dlc dung are NOT designed for play as you want. And if they want the achievement of doing it, they have to work for it.

OrphanHelgen · March 2020

Wyietsayon wrote: »

That's the basis of every community. You don't like something, you leave.

Maybe he was trolling, maybe he was new, maybe he messed up his build, maybe he misunderstood it, maybe he queued as a tank by accident or on purpose to avoid the dps wait. Doesn't matter because they all happen. But you've got the power to leave a group or vote kick someone out of a group. That's all the controls you need.

Happen 3 times in a row. Accepting it, is not the solution to make it work. When the solution is to don't care, that's a poor and lazy solution.

furiouslog · March 2020

Kahnak wrote: »

furiouslog wrote: »

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

You did good. Made the group tool function so you can only put one role. People still don't give a ***. 3'rd times now whipefest because the tank use bow instead of a taunt. I think this is a legit reason for ragequit and remove the penalty after quitting for group tool because of this would be nice too. Please permaban those who are registered as their role without doing it, specially in a vet dlc dung when they are cp 810. They clearly have bought their account or nothing to do in an online game besides offline mode and housing ty. A dungeon with rng drops and bis gear, is not designed to sit quietly and patient for 3 hours because one person decided he wanted to tank with a bow today. If you wanna rp in dung, say it in special guilds. I don't come and ruin roleplaying, so roleplayers pls don't come ruin dungeon runs either. It works both ways!

Tanking with a bow is feasible. Volley keeps up crusher pretty well if you manage your toon appropriately and it gives you more flexibility in placement.

*If the bow is on your backbar and you've got S&B on the front bar.

Otherwise, no it's not feasible.

I simply don't have enough eyes in my head to roll at this.

OrphanHelgen · March 2020

idk wrote: »

Zos originally planned to allow us to flag ourselves for certain types of play. The stated reason for this was for role players so they could have a greater chance of being placed into the same instance. While I am not a RP player I see the benefit since we cannot choose what instance we are in like they can in some other games. Within a couple of months of launch, Zos stated they abandoned this idea for technical reasons. My guess is it was to much load on the servers figuring out where everyone needed to be.

At that time they said they would look for a different way to help the RP community. Unfortunately for that group of players that seemed to be little more than lip service as I have not seen any come from Zos on this front.

It is sad because ESO could have had a much more robust RP community. I know many RP players, some good PvE and PvP players, that balked at Zos abandoning this community and did not pursue the game further.

Ironically, a big phase of SWTOR's collapse occurred not long after this game released. That game had a very healthy RP player base which Zos could have capitalized on instead of neglecting.

I don't mind roleplayers at all, they humans too. But don't force it on randoms. I am a tryhard in this game, but when I play with randoms, I don't ask for tryhards. I dont ask for no death, or best buffs in the game or perfect rotations. I ask for the tank to taunt and the healer to heal. It's literally I don't ask for more than what I knew myself the first day of eso launch when I reached level 10. It's on that level I ask for. It's really not much!

AlnilamE · March 2020

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

CMDR_Un1k0rn wrote: »

OP, genuine question here, so that we can all understand. Are you saying roleplay to refer to the dungeon team roles people choose, or the more traditional definition of people playing a character in the way people might do in say, D&D?

I mean, if you queue as a tank, don't yell at your team for dying when you have no taunt on your bar.

I think he was suggesting vote to kick as an option too.

But removing the penalty will only place you in the same group over and over. That's what happened when the group finder first started.

MartiniDaniels · March 2020

If he was not taunting at all of course it is fake tank. But if you kicked him instantly after logging in dungeon, it's your own fault. Maybe he needed to switch gear and also bow is not a reason for kicking.

Bow is viable backbar for tanking on classes which don't have class aoe immobilization. I often use bow on NB tank to use bombard for aoe immobilization, vma endless hail to keep crusher up+ it adds a bit of dps (not so small bit if we are talking about pugs) + you receive major expedition on roll dodge.

I tanked all vDLC with pugs with S&B/bow DK backbar when I was leveling to CP810.. hell, I tanked majority of veteran dungeons with NB with ice staff/bow and war machine just for lulz (I used mark for major fracture/resolve) and spammed incap to distribute major slayer (before lokke appeared ofc). I was not kicked a single time because normal dps looks at his dps meter and doesn't care what tank is doing if job is done.

CMDR_Un1k0rn · March 2020

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Zos originally planned to allow us to flag ourselves for certain types of play. The stated reason for this was for role players so they could have a greater chance of being placed into the same instance. While I am not a RP player I see the benefit since we cannot choose what instance we are in like they can in some other games. Within a couple of months of launch, Zos stated they abandoned this idea for technical reasons. My guess is it was to much load on the servers figuring out where everyone needed to be.

At that time they said they would look for a different way to help the RP community. Unfortunately for that group of players that seemed to be little more than lip service as I have not seen any come from Zos on this front.

It is sad because ESO could have had a much more robust RP community. I know many RP players, some good PvE and PvP players, that balked at Zos abandoning this community and did not pursue the game further.

Ironically, a big phase of SWTOR's collapse occurred not long after this game released. That game had a very healthy RP player base which Zos could have capitalized on instead of neglecting.

I don't mind roleplayers at all, they humans too. But don't force it on randoms. I am a tryhard in this game, but when I play with randoms, I don't ask for tryhards. I dont ask for no death, or best buffs in the game or perfect rotations. I ask for the tank to taunt and the healer to heal. It's literally I don't ask for more than what I knew myself the first day of eso launch when I reached level 10. It's on that level I ask for. It's really not much!

I agree. As a tank here, I only ask for DDs to not stand in stupid.

Yesterday on on vSC1 HM my DPS PuG were dying constantly. Healer too. Ten minutes to kill that boss. Only I didn't die, not counting my wipe on the first try.

Yes we had to wipe that boss.