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Irfind✭✭✭✭✭Also i noticed that cloak sometimes dosnt work (no player attacking me, no aoe) the eye stays open but it cost magicka.
I am the only one ?PC EU no CP PVPEP Irfind - Stam NB DunmerEP Iswind - Mag Warden DunmerEP Ko'runa Silberklaue - Mag Temp KhajiitEP Eldrid Hagal - Mag DK DunmerEP Feyne R'is - Stam Sorc Dunmer ...with BowEP Wynn Loraethaine - Mag NB DunmerAD Runare Loraethaine - Stam Sorc AltmerAD Skadi Hagal - Stam DK Khajiit6 -
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✭✭✭✭Kombinator wrote: »It's not like any other class has super immunity, or sudden disappearance, that protects from everything. Even in WoW, and SWTOR the dissappearing act is a few minutes cooldown emergency skill. If NB invi were an ultimate, then yeah sure. Give immunity to getting out from sneak, but in it's current state it's just for crit buff, and engage, and should not be an all solver card.
Also you can always morph it for the health regen which scales with health for extra survival.
haha yes if only we had something like invisibility pots
cloak doesn't give any "super immunity that protects from everything", it simply makes you untargettable i.e people can't hit you with single target abilities (such as light attacks) before you get revealed (which can be done with any dmg aoe) or you come out of stealth
I would gladly take an ultra-buffed cloak ultimate with some damage bonus and immunity to AOE and reveal abilities over the *** we have now ANYDAY. ZOS would then have to buff our basic survival and healing to teh same level as stamsorc if not DK and I would LOVE THAT.
PLEASE, DO IT 😂😂 ZOS. Except don't if you don't give us extra burst.Edited by Nyladreas on March 3, 2020 7:15PM1 -
Skullderic✭✭✭Oh, here's another good one, WW light attacks, no Cloak. just slap you right out of stealth & can't ever Cloak away. Pfft.Gert Soem!!0 -
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Bu...But how did you managed to find a WW in PvP in a 1st place ?!Skullderic wrote: »Oh, here's another good one, WW light attacks, no Cloak. just slap you right out of stealth & can't ever Cloak away. Pfft.
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https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNUtvsOmrscabn244rNW1YA/videosTommy_The_Gun wrote: »
Bu...But how did you managed to find a WW in PvP in a 1st place ?!Skullderic wrote: »Oh, here's another good one, WW light attacks, no Cloak. just slap you right out of stealth & can't ever Cloak away. Pfft.
Ran into him in IC. I run Caluurion, near maxmimum speed and Eternal Hunt on my magblade. He did about 3x as much damage to me with his basic attacks as I did to him (I checked with FTC combat log). He ate my Eternal Hunt rune and was still able to reach me and kill me with basic attacks, even though he should have been briefly immobilized. Believe me, it is a problem, one of the most egregiously unbalanced match-ups I have run into for some time. I tried twice, but it was too dangerous to stay near him in WW form.
It's very frustrating. I am playing this game for 4 1/2 years and magblade is my main. Yes, I play a somewhat unusual build and, yes, my stats are low, albeit my crit is good. I play this build, because I enjoy a part melee, speed-based, evasive playstyle, without the shade. I am extremely squishy, which is fine. I have to have Cloak working, though. Whatever ZOS have done, it's nasty. I'm not sure it's entirely intended. Not even Eternal Hunt seems to work well anymore, at least not with the reach a werewolf seems to have. I tried to control him with Cripple as well, but to no avail.
Yes, you can always gank unsuspecting noobs with a nightblade. Any nightblade can also be pretty nasty in larger fights, not just the snipers, but also the ones who jump in with Incap or with Caluurion at point blank range, like me. At least I put my life on the line every time I do.
It's still frustrating how far nightblade seems to have fallen. Nightblades used to play an extremely attacking game. It was easier to put people on the defensive. I'm saying this not merely from my experience of playing one, but also from being attacked by nightblades, including stamblades. With damage blunted, it's ever more important that at least our defense works.
The direction ZOS has taken, adding tankiness via Merciless Resolve for example, is IMO unfortunate. It homogenizes nightblades to use the same type of defense (tankiness) as every other class, though IMO without being really good at it. At any rate I prioritize evasion in my build, which is IMO how nightblade was originally designed. You can't have everything. That's fine, but these increased Cloak failures are hitting some NBs hard. It's another unfortunate reason to adopt a more generic playstyle, e.g. to be tankier or to play a mag-stacking, shielding build.2 -
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https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNUtvsOmrscabn244rNW1YA/videosTommy_The_Gun wrote: »
Bu...But how did you managed to find a WW in PvP in a 1st place ?!Skullderic wrote: »Oh, here's another good one, WW light attacks, no Cloak. just slap you right out of stealth & can't ever Cloak away. Pfft.
Ran into him in IC. I run Caluurion, near maxmimum speed and Eternal Hunt on my magblade. He did about 3x as much damage to me with his basic attacks as I did to him (I checked with FTC combat log). He ate my Eternal Hunt rune and was still able to reach me and kill me with basic attacks, even though he should have been briefly immobilized. Believe me, it is a problem, one of the most egregiously unbalanced match-ups I have run into for some time. I tried twice, but it was too dangerous to stay near him in WW form.
It's very frustrating. I am playing this game for 4 1/2 years and magblade is my main. Yes, I play a somewhat unusual build and, yes, my stats are low, albeit my crit is good. I play this build, because I enjoy a part melee, speed-based, evasive playstyle, without the shade. I am extremely squishy, which is fine. I have to have Cloak working, though. Whatever ZOS have done, it's nasty. I'm not sure it's entirely intended. Not even Eternal Hunt seems to work well anymore, at least not with the reach a werewolf seems to have. I tried to control him with Cripple as well, but to no avail.
Yes, you can always gank unsuspecting noobs with a nightblade. Any nightblade can also be pretty nasty in larger fights, not just the snipers, but also the ones who jump in with Incap or with Caluurion at point blank range, like me. At least I put my life on the line every time I do.
It's still frustrating how far nightblade seems to have fallen. Nightblades used to play an extremely attacking game. It was easier to put people on the defensive. I'm saying this not merely from my experience of playing one, but also from being attacked by nightblades, including stamblades. With damage blunted, it's ever more important that at least our defense works.
The direction ZOS has taken, adding tankiness via Merciless Resolve for example, is IMO unfortunate. It homogenizes nightblades to use the same type of defense (tankiness) as every other class, though IMO without being really good at it. At any rate I prioritize evasion in my build, which is IMO how nightblade was originally designed. You can't have everything. That's fine, but these increased Cloak failures are hitting some NBs hard. It's another unfortunate reason to adopt a more generic playstyle, e.g. to be tankier or to play a mag-stacking, shielding build.
Sounds like a great time 😂 /s
And I agree with the last part entirely. Many others and I are constantly offering our suggestions but noone ever events acknowledges anything. It's sad how wrecked the class feels.1 -
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✭✭They should have never taken Minor Berserk from Grim Focus imo. They called it "too overloaded" yet they gave Stamsorcs a copy-pasted ability with +8% increased stam and + 10% light attack damage just for slotting the damned thing.
This new bug/nerf to cloak is just adding insult to injury. There is literalyl no reason to roll a Nightblade this patch in PvE or PvP.7 -
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✭✭✭What I'm curious about is whether this "broken Cloak" change was after the DLC patch or the patch that followed?0 -
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✭Deathlord92 wrote: »
Getting rid of cloak will ruin the nb identity for many players for example reason I like playing nb is because I love playing a rogue as I have done in past mmo RPG games. If you take away cloak I want the other classes butchered to 😡 let’s band together and completely destroy eso what a good idea stebarnz because eso isn’t already unenjoyable to play.Cloak is the WORST mechanic in this game, its never worked right and is annoying on both sides and prevents NB from being balanced correctly, get rid of it!
If you want cloak then dont moan about low damage or class being held back.
Its a mechanic that doesnt work at the best of times it never has, so why do you feel like you need it.
Cloak mech being invis has always attracted troll players to it and they have used it to annoy people and when enough people moan (even if its wrong) ZO$ tend to listen.
I run mag and stam blade and they are in a bad place at the min, i would prefer a different mech added to cloak other than invis and the class being balanced properly and usable.
But if you want to be able to cloak past some random npc doing thieves guild quests thats cool but dont say im trying to break the class im trying to mend it you just dont understand!
Cloak is not used it top teir pve and in pvp its a joke so only rpers use as far as im concerned so it should be more of a memento effect.3 -
Cerotonin✭✭✭I noticed so long as someone light attacks me right as I hit cloak, the attack will still follow and hit. Usually it would just cut off and miss.
Cloak is a part of the class identity. If this was intended then they might as well just delete the skill lol. The class itself is at the bottom of the barrel and it’s already been made clear that PvP combat is secondary.4 -
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✭✭✭Any video of this happening? Would be helpful for the devs and also good to see for us who haven't got the patch yet.0 -
RavenSworn✭✭✭✭✭Players complaining about stealth definitely never came across navy seals or commandos on the field. SmhIngame: RavenSworn, Pc / NA.
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chibear85✭✭✭Zos is trying to kill the nb without actually taking it out of the game they have completely destroyed the class because of whiney b****s who can't handle be killed by ninjas zos caters to welfare sucking live in momma's basement leeches who want a participation trophy for everything so glad I killed my sub and am moving on1
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✭✭✭✭RavenSworn wrote: »Players complaining about stealth definitely never came across navy seals or commandos on the field. Smh
Careful, before some sensitive snowflakes get offended and report you for encouraging them to risk their loife.2 -
RavenSworn✭✭✭✭✭RavenSworn wrote: »Players complaining about stealth definitely never came across navy seals or commandos on the field. Smh
Careful, before some sensitive snowflakes get offended and report you for encouraging them to risk their loife.
Lol, yeah ikr. It's like... which thief or assassin in the world would actually announce himself to everyone that he wants to enter combat? Or spy? Or undercover cop? Hell, even snipers position themselves up a vantage point to get a clear shot and that would mean they have less peripheral vision of their surroundings.
That's why I always believe pvp HAS to be team based and not this weird amalgamation that we have currently. Each class should and must have something that other class dont so that it's a 'rock paper scissors' kinda combat, not 'checkers' or 'chess'. Once that happens, it makes it much easier to integrate pve changes or vice versa without affecting much of the other.Ingame: RavenSworn, Pc / NA.
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✭✭✭✭RavenSworn wrote: »RavenSworn wrote: »Players complaining about stealth definitely never came across navy seals or commandos on the field. Smh
Careful, before some sensitive snowflakes get offended and report you for encouraging them to risk their loife.
Lol, yeah ikr. It's like... which thief or assassin in the world would actually announce himself to everyone that he wants to enter combat? Or spy? Or undercover cop? Hell, even snipers position themselves up a vantage point to get a clear shot and that would mean they have less peripheral vision of their surroundings.
That's why I always believe pvp HAS to be team based and not this weird amalgamation that we have currently. Each class should and must have something that other class dont so that it's a 'rock paper scissors' kinda combat, not 'checkers' or 'chess'. Once that happens, it makes it much easier to integrate pve changes or vice versa without affecting much of the other.
There are many solutions to the pve/pvp problem. ZOS just seems to not give a damn.2 -
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I don’t need cloak and I’m more of a pvp player then I am a role player look at all my 1v1 1vxs on my yt channel my point is nb is a rogue for me and a lot of players like playing it because of that reason what is nb with out its signature skill nothing maybe that is the role player side of me speaking I mean right now I actually have dark cloak slotted but it would ruin the game further for me if they remember cloak.Deathlord92 wrote: »
Getting rid of cloak will ruin the nb identity for many players for example reason I like playing nb is because I love playing a rogue as I have done in past mmo RPG games. If you take away cloak I want the other classes butchered to 😡 let’s band together and completely destroy eso what a good idea stebarnz because eso isn’t already unenjoyable to play.Cloak is the WORST mechanic in this game, its never worked right and is annoying on both sides and prevents NB from being balanced correctly, get rid of it!
If you want cloak then dont moan about low damage or class being held back.
Its a mechanic that doesnt work at the best of times it never has, so why do you feel like you need it.
Cloak mech being invis has always attracted troll players to it and they have used it to annoy people and when enough people moan (even if its wrong) ZO$ tend to listen.
I run mag and stam blade and they are in a bad place at the min, i would prefer a different mech added to cloak other than invis and the class being balanced properly and usable.
But if you want to be able to cloak past some random npc doing thieves guild quests thats cool but dont say im trying to break the class im trying to mend it you just dont understand!
Cloak is not used it top teir pve and in pvp its a joke so only rpers use as far as im concerned so it should be more of a memento effect.
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forthwinds✭✭✭Just chiming in to say cloak is broken for me as well. Super disappointing if they just leave nightblades broken for the whole patch...Dawnbringer ✦ Godslayer ✦ Tick Tock Tormentor x3 ✦ Immortal Redeemer x2 ✦ Gryphon Heart x5 ✦ The Unchained x2 ✦ Emperor x6 ✦ Grand Overlord2 -
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✭forthwinds wrote: »Just chiming in to say cloak is broken for me as well. Super disappointing if they just leave nightblades broken for the whole patch...
We had situations in past when shade was broken for 3-4 patches in a row so prepare for the worstEdited by Czekoludek on March 4, 2020 2:03PM1 -
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✭✭✭✭Czekoludek wrote: »forthwinds wrote: »Just chiming in to say cloak is broken for me as well. Super disappointing if they just leave nightblades broken for the whole patch...
We had situations in past when shade was broken for 3-4 patches in a row so prepare for the worst
Lots of changes coming with the new xpac though so they'll likely fix it then.
Until then though. RIP NB pretty much.0 -
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