I'm not sure where to post this, but in your opinion, is sexism really rampant in eso?

rager82b14_ESO · March 2020

Cirantille wrote: »

But I have seen more homophobia

Like a lot

People constantly calling each others gay as an "insult"

--

People also always assume you are a "dude"

Didnt grow a blep overnight but ok...

I always chuckle when i see it. Some things never change

Jaimeh · March 2020

You don't have to look at individual unsavoury comments only, which are probably plenty of, but the general mentality of 'come on boys' 'let's get this boys' '4-man stuff'. etc., It's woven in the language, mentality, behaviour and action, so yes, it exists in ESO, as the game is a microcosm of real society anyway.

Neoealth · March 2020

Cirantille wrote: »

But I have seen more homophobia

Like a lot

People constantly calling each others gay as an "insult"

--

People also always assume you are a "dude"

Didnt grow a blep overnight but ok...

I sometimes say "gay" to mean when something is disappointing. It's like when my inner child accidentally slips out for a split second. Where I am from, saying gay to mean when something was lame or stupid was a common thing, at least back from when I was a boy. It's not such a common remark anymore. Sometimes old ingrained habits are hard to break, and I don't like being told what I can and cannot say anyway, I kind of like freedom of speech. But I still cringe at myself when I let the "gay" thing slip now and again. And it's always said without any personal malice towards actual gay people. Not that it makes it any less potentially insulting to some gay people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owu0Q_F0IDk

DBZVelena · March 2020

I think a lot (not all) of men have a blind spot towards sexism. What to them would be an innocent remark. Can be for a woman, a very demeaning one.

I also think certain woman (not all) are especially sensitive about such remarks and will explode in a word storm of accusations that help nobody.

Now in some cases. the word storm can be justified. For example, there are remarks like "woman go back to the kitchen." that are said with intent to hurt. Such individuals deserve in my opinion all the word storm they get.

However, there are also cases where the word storm is unwarranted and a calm explanation of why a certain remark is problematic will get better results.

In my opinion it is always better to try and educate than to drag down. Teaching why certain remarks are problematic, often makes the one learning more aware of what they are doing wrong and how to improve.
Less fight, more honest dialogue.
Of Course there is always the clown who refuses to learn. In those cases either ignore and take their fun away, or vent your frustration. but don't expect them to change.

Clowns won't change until they realise they aren't as funny as they think they are.

Minyassa · March 2020

Any kind of -ism is rampant in this game. MMOs attract the worst sort of people along with the best sort of people and it's a rare day that I don't see someone demonstrating the absolute lowest point of humanity's journey in zone chat, racist and homophobic and sexist and just plain twisted. Some real garbage creatures play this game. But what you said, mimicking an NPC? Not sexist. Sexist is what I see in zone chat whenever someone admits to being a female player and gets immediately inundated with gross sexual remarks.

Grianasteri · March 2020

wolfbone wrote: »

so tonight, rather a rather hostile player has verbally insulted me because I'm apparently sexist for making a reference to the '*sigh* not another distraction' some npcs will say.
apparently I'm all that's wrong with eso and I'm a vile plague that doesnt respect women. so, it has gotten me thinking, is sexism in eso as rampant as this person has claimed?

thanks for anyone's input on this matter

It is not ESO that is sexist. It is society. People within society play ESO.

agegarton · March 2020

I don't think that sexism, per se, is rife in the game - I have come across a number of people who get a bit over excited when there's a female gamer in a group. It tends to be quite easy to manage and I put it down to...... well, immaturity I guess. Either that or there are a lot of young men in the game who do not have much experience of speaking with the opposite gender!

As someone already said, the bigger issue in this game are the group of losers who won't run a dungeon unless you can hit their arbitrary DPS score, or have what they decided is the BIS gear, or have a number of CPs that they deem acceptable. Fortunately they are the minority.

Generally, my experience of ESO's community has been really great

rager82b14_ESO · March 2020

DBZVelena wrote: »

I think a lot (not all) of men have a blind spot towards sexism. What to them would be an innocent remark. Can be for a woman, a very demeaning one.

I also think certain woman (not all) are especially sensitive about such remarks and will explode in a word storm of accusations that help nobody.

Now in some cases. the word storm can be justified. For example, there are remarks like "woman go back to the kitchen." that are said with intent to hurt. Such individuals deserve in my opinion all the word storm they get.

However, there are also cases where the word storm is unwarranted and a calm explanation of why a certain remark is problematic will get better results.

In my opinion it is always better to try and educate than to drag down. Teaching why certain remarks are problematic, often makes the one learning more aware of what they are doing wrong and how to improve.
Less fight, more honest dialogue.
Of Course there is always the clown who refuses to learn. In those cases either ignore and take their fun away, or vent your frustration. but don't expect them to change.

Clowns won't change until they realise they aren't as funny as they think they are.

I mean most of the stuff guys go through, would toughen them up. I don't really care about genders myself. I treat everyone the same and don't walk on egg shells.

Raisin · March 2020

rager82b14_ESO wrote: »

DBZVelena wrote: »

I think a lot (not all) of men have a blind spot towards sexism. What to them would be an innocent remark. Can be for a woman, a very demeaning one.

I also think certain woman (not all) are especially sensitive about such remarks and will explode in a word storm of accusations that help nobody.

Now in some cases. the word storm can be justified. For example, there are remarks like "woman go back to the kitchen." that are said with intent to hurt. Such individuals deserve in my opinion all the word storm they get.

However, there are also cases where the word storm is unwarranted and a calm explanation of why a certain remark is problematic will get better results.

In my opinion it is always better to try and educate than to drag down. Teaching why certain remarks are problematic, often makes the one learning more aware of what they are doing wrong and how to improve.
Less fight, more honest dialogue.
Of Course there is always the clown who refuses to learn. In those cases either ignore and take their fun away, or vent your frustration. but don't expect them to change.

Clowns won't change until they realise they aren't as funny as they think they are.

I mean most of the stuff guys go through, would toughen them up. I don't really care about genders myself. I treat everyone the same and don't walk on egg shells.

I am very interested to find out what kind of stuff all guys apparently go through that toughens them up. Please share?

Greevir · March 2020

Kind of, I guess? I was once accused of being a female cause I main healer.

rager82b14_ESO · March 2020

Raisin wrote: »

rager82b14_ESO wrote: »

DBZVelena wrote: »

I think a lot (not all) of men have a blind spot towards sexism. What to them would be an innocent remark. Can be for a woman, a very demeaning one.

I also think certain woman (not all) are especially sensitive about such remarks and will explode in a word storm of accusations that help nobody.

Now in some cases. the word storm can be justified. For example, there are remarks like "woman go back to the kitchen." that are said with intent to hurt. Such individuals deserve in my opinion all the word storm they get.

However, there are also cases where the word storm is unwarranted and a calm explanation of why a certain remark is problematic will get better results.

In my opinion it is always better to try and educate than to drag down. Teaching why certain remarks are problematic, often makes the one learning more aware of what they are doing wrong and how to improve.
Less fight, more honest dialogue.
Of Course there is always the clown who refuses to learn. In those cases either ignore and take their fun away, or vent your frustration. but don't expect them to change.

Clowns won't change until they realise they aren't as funny as they think they are.

I mean most of the stuff guys go through, would toughen them up. I don't really care about genders myself. I treat everyone the same and don't walk on egg shells.

I am very interested to find out what kind of stuff all guys apparently go through that toughens them up. Please share?

Sure, this is a great topic since I just got done talking with my nephew about this, and why he keeps getting teased at school.

Guys like to haze each other. All good fun, but if you become offended, or just let things bother you easily. You are not really fun to hang around, and that makes you a easy target. It also makes it harder for you to fit in with many guys. (I'm not going to say all things are like this, but from my work, and few areas I been in. This has always been the case.)

Just like women and how they act carry themselves, guys have to do the same thing, and men who are overly moody, and lets things get to them. Tend to be snuffed out like a pecking order. He gets teased so much, because he gets so upset about it and acts out. That makes it fun for them.

Women have whole other problems to deal with that as a guy I would find annoying as F. With that being said, i've dated some girls who get upset I don't act the same way I do around her as I do with guys. and when I do start acting same way. She gets her feelings hurt. It is annoying balance to deal with.

Guys tend to be mean to each other and we roll with the punches. Saying something cruel and having your bros laugh is the normal. Women, on the other hand. Ones I have dated, always so darn nice with each other. After one leaves, they talk mad *** behind her back. I'm just like darn thats worse. lol

TheFM · March 2020

Hoo boy, the sexism deniers are out in force again.

Nyata · March 2020

personally, i don't think in 2 decades of gaming I have ever been targeted for being a woman. actually, it bugs me more that when people realize I am a woman, they try to help me, in the good way, with loot farms and so on. Thing is, I am a) a pretty casual flower sniffer, so I have no need and no interest in getting the latest raid gear, and b) if i actually want something, I wanna get it figured out and done *myself* way too often. not healthy either, I know.

I know, feminists all over the world will gasp, but I think sometimes women are too touchy. I enjoy inter-gender banter and squabbles, as long as it is good natured and with lots of winks. I mean, what's the point in having different genders if you cannot have fun with it? Keep in mind one thing though... a lot of us are playing this sort of games not just to kill time, but to feel good about something. And if s/he had a crappy day at work, got home to realize spouse is unappreciative, the kids made a mess again, and when you finally get some time to do the one thing you been looking forward to all day, the slightest thing can put you over the top. So.. honestly, i think the proper response would not be to post on the forum about it, but to say to that person 'sorry if I caught you on the wrong foot, I really didn't mean to insult anyone. hope your day gets better.'

Raisin · March 2020

TheFM wrote: »

Hoo boy, the sexism deniers are out in force again.

Hoo boy, people disagreeing with me even after I spammed the frontpage. Better make sure people know I can't accept that other people have different experiences from me!

rager82b14_ESO wrote: »

Raisin wrote: »

rager82b14_ESO wrote: »

DBZVelena wrote: »

I think a lot (not all) of men have a blind spot towards sexism. What to them would be an innocent remark. Can be for a woman, a very demeaning one.

I also think certain woman (not all) are especially sensitive about such remarks and will explode in a word storm of accusations that help nobody.

Now in some cases. the word storm can be justified. For example, there are remarks like "woman go back to the kitchen." that are said with intent to hurt. Such individuals deserve in my opinion all the word storm they get.

However, there are also cases where the word storm is unwarranted and a calm explanation of why a certain remark is problematic will get better results.

In my opinion it is always better to try and educate than to drag down. Teaching why certain remarks are problematic, often makes the one learning more aware of what they are doing wrong and how to improve.
Less fight, more honest dialogue.
Of Course there is always the clown who refuses to learn. In those cases either ignore and take their fun away, or vent your frustration. but don't expect them to change.

Clowns won't change until they realise they aren't as funny as they think they are.

I mean most of the stuff guys go through, would toughen them up. I don't really care about genders myself. I treat everyone the same and don't walk on egg shells.

I am very interested to find out what kind of stuff all guys apparently go through that toughens them up. Please share?

Sure, this is a great topic since I just got done talking with my nephew about this, and why he keeps getting teased at school.

Guys like to haze each other. All good fun, but if you become offended, or just let things bother you easily. You are not really fun to hang around, and that makes you a easy target. It also makes it harder for you to fit in with many guys. (I'm not going to say all things are like this, but from my work, and few areas I been in. This has always been the case.)

Just like women and how they act carry themselves, guys have to do the same thing, and men who are overly moody, and lets things get to them. Tend to be snuffed out like a pecking order. He gets teased so much, because he gets so upset about it and acts out. That makes it fun for them.

Women have whole other problems to deal with that as a guy I would find annoying as F. With that being said, i've dated some girls who get upset I don't act the same way I do around her as I do with guys. and when I do start acting same way. She gets her feelings hurt. It is annoying balance to deal with.

Guys tend to be mean to each other and we roll with the punches. Saying something cruel and having your bros laugh is the normal. Women, on the other hand. Ones I have dated, always so darn nice with each other. After one leaves, they talk mad *** behind her back. I'm just like darn thats worse. lol

Interesting. I've shared the same experience as your nephew most of my life. I'm not sure it can be as easily attributed as different genders as you put it, but obviously the societal standards regarding men definitely fit into it.

Neoealth · March 2020

To a hardcore feminist, everything is sexist and men are enemy number one.

Raisin wrote: »

rager82b14_ESO wrote: »

DBZVelena wrote: »

I think a lot (not all) of men have a blind spot towards sexism. What to them would be an innocent remark. Can be for a woman, a very demeaning one.

I also think certain woman (not all) are especially sensitive about such remarks and will explode in a word storm of accusations that help nobody.

Now in some cases. the word storm can be justified. For example, there are remarks like "woman go back to the kitchen." that are said with intent to hurt. Such individuals deserve in my opinion all the word storm they get.

However, there are also cases where the word storm is unwarranted and a calm explanation of why a certain remark is problematic will get better results.

In my opinion it is always better to try and educate than to drag down. Teaching why certain remarks are problematic, often makes the one learning more aware of what they are doing wrong and how to improve.
Less fight, more honest dialogue.
Of Course there is always the clown who refuses to learn. In those cases either ignore and take their fun away, or vent your frustration. but don't expect them to change.

Clowns won't change until they realise they aren't as funny as they think they are.

I mean most of the stuff guys go through, would toughen them up. I don't really care about genders myself. I treat everyone the same and don't walk on egg shells.

I am very interested to find out what kind of stuff all guys apparently go through that toughens them up. Please share?

In the next life, grow up as a boy and find out for yourself. You're expected to be tough, don't show emotion. Expected to be the protector and to do the harder work because we have greater upper body strength than females on average.

Look up Sexual dimorphism in mammals. It's why I tend to frown at the hard core feminists who seek to highlight the differences in the sexes and then complain about it. It's the very nature of the 2 sexes, we have different traits, not just physically but emotionally as well.

Just as a disclaimer, I'm all for equal rights between men and women. When it comes to personal freedoms. I just don't accept the hardcore feminists position that seek to attack men constantly for things we are naturally inclined to do.
They are the sort of person who is always trying to censor what people say. The far left are the actual fascists who hate free speech. Unless you're shouting out what they believe in, then they don't mind at all.

TheFM · March 2020

Nyata wrote: »

personally, i don't think in 2 decades of gaming I have ever been targeted for being a woman. actually, it bugs me more that when people realize I am a woman, they try to help me, in the good way, with loot farms and so on. Thing is, I am a) a pretty casual flower sniffer, so I have no need and no interest in getting the latest raid gear, and b) if i actually want something, I wanna get it figured out and done *myself* way too often. not healthy either, I know.

I know, feminists all over the world will gasp, but I think sometimes women are too touchy. I enjoy inter-gender banter and squabbles, as long as it is good natured and with lots of winks. I mean, what's the point in having different genders if you cannot have fun with it? Keep in mind one thing though... a lot of us are playing this sort of games not just to kill time, but to feel good about something. And if s/he had a crappy day at work, got home to realize spouse is unappreciative, the kids made a mess again, and when you finally get some time to do the one thing you been looking forward to all day, the slightest thing can put you over the top. So.. honestly, i think the proper response would not be to post on the forum about it, but to say to that person 'sorry if I caught you on the wrong foot, I really didn't mean to insult anyone. hope your day gets better.'

There is a difference between banter and excluding people for being a woman, or for making the comments inappropriate simply because you are a woman. Huge difference.

Vahrokh · March 2020

TheFM wrote: »

x48rph wrote: »

LOL. Some people will blow any comment way out of proportion, especially if they're a SJW on top of it. Just ignore and move on, can't say I've ever really had any issues with sexism other then little stuff one would normally expect in any MMO with so many people of varying views, values, beliefs, ect....

Better a sjw than a sociopath imo.

Most often they are the same person, just seen from two different angles.

TheFM · March 2020

Raisin wrote: »

TheFM wrote: »

Hoo boy, the sexism deniers are out in force again.

Hoo boy, people disagreeing with me even after I spammed the frontpage. Better make sure people know I can't accept that other people have different experiences from me!

rager82b14_ESO wrote: »

Raisin wrote: »

rager82b14_ESO wrote: »

DBZVelena wrote: »

I think a lot (not all) of men have a blind spot towards sexism. What to them would be an innocent remark. Can be for a woman, a very demeaning one.

I also think certain woman (not all) are especially sensitive about such remarks and will explode in a word storm of accusations that help nobody.

Now in some cases. the word storm can be justified. For example, there are remarks like "woman go back to the kitchen." that are said with intent to hurt. Such individuals deserve in my opinion all the word storm they get.

However, there are also cases where the word storm is unwarranted and a calm explanation of why a certain remark is problematic will get better results.

In my opinion it is always better to try and educate than to drag down. Teaching why certain remarks are problematic, often makes the one learning more aware of what they are doing wrong and how to improve.
Less fight, more honest dialogue.
Of Course there is always the clown who refuses to learn. In those cases either ignore and take their fun away, or vent your frustration. but don't expect them to change.

Clowns won't change until they realise they aren't as funny as they think they are.

I mean most of the stuff guys go through, would toughen them up. I don't really care about genders myself. I treat everyone the same and don't walk on egg shells.

I am very interested to find out what kind of stuff all guys apparently go through that toughens them up. Please share?

Sure, this is a great topic since I just got done talking with my nephew about this, and why he keeps getting teased at school.

Guys like to haze each other. All good fun, but if you become offended, or just let things bother you easily. You are not really fun to hang around, and that makes you a easy target. It also makes it harder for you to fit in with many guys. (I'm not going to say all things are like this, but from my work, and few areas I been in. This has always been the case.)

Just like women and how they act carry themselves, guys have to do the same thing, and men who are overly moody, and lets things get to them. Tend to be snuffed out like a pecking order. He gets teased so much, because he gets so upset about it and acts out. That makes it fun for them.

Women have whole other problems to deal with that as a guy I would find annoying as F. With that being said, i've dated some girls who get upset I don't act the same way I do around her as I do with guys. and when I do start acting same way. She gets her feelings hurt. It is annoying balance to deal with.

Guys tend to be mean to each other and we roll with the punches. Saying something cruel and having your bros laugh is the normal. Women, on the other hand. Ones I have dated, always so darn nice with each other. After one leaves, they talk mad *** behind her back. I'm just like darn thats worse. lol

Interesting. I've shared the same experience as your nephew most of my life. I'm not sure it can be as easily attributed as different genders as you put it, but obviously the societal standards regarding men definitely fit into it.

Yeah, replying to a thread to which ihave personal experience with is spamming, lol. You are also replying to someone who threw women out of groups because the men in the group couldn't control themselves.

TheFM · March 2020

Neoealth wrote: »

To a hardcore feminist, everything is sexist and men are enemy number one.

Raisin wrote: »

rager82b14_ESO wrote: »

DBZVelena wrote: »

I think a lot (not all) of men have a blind spot towards sexism. What to them would be an innocent remark. Can be for a woman, a very demeaning one.

I also think certain woman (not all) are especially sensitive about such remarks and will explode in a word storm of accusations that help nobody.

Now in some cases. the word storm can be justified. For example, there are remarks like "woman go back to the kitchen." that are said with intent to hurt. Such individuals deserve in my opinion all the word storm they get.

However, there are also cases where the word storm is unwarranted and a calm explanation of why a certain remark is problematic will get better results.

In my opinion it is always better to try and educate than to drag down. Teaching why certain remarks are problematic, often makes the one learning more aware of what they are doing wrong and how to improve.
Less fight, more honest dialogue.
Of Course there is always the clown who refuses to learn. In those cases either ignore and take their fun away, or vent your frustration. but don't expect them to change.

Clowns won't change until they realise they aren't as funny as they think they are.

I mean most of the stuff guys go through, would toughen them up. I don't really care about genders myself. I treat everyone the same and don't walk on egg shells.

I am very interested to find out what kind of stuff all guys apparently go through that toughens them up. Please share?

In the next life, grow up as a boy and find out for yourself. You're expected to be tough, don't show emotion. Expected to be the protector and to do the harder work because we have greater upper body strength than females on average.

Look up Sexual dimorphism in mammals. It's why I tend to frown at the hard core feminists who seek to highlight the differences in the sexes and then complain about it. It's the very nature of the 2 sexes, we have different traits, not just physically but emotionally as well.

Just as a disclaimer, I'm all for equal rights between men and women. When it comes to personal freedoms. I just don't accept the hardcore feminists position that seek to attack men constantly for things we are naturally inclined to do.
They are the sort of person who is always trying to censor what people say. The far left are the actual fascists who hate free speech. Unless you're shouting out what they believe in, then they don't mind at all.

That's not feminism, and I'd suggest a dictionary.

TheFM · March 2020

Vahrokh wrote: »

TheFM wrote: »

x48rph wrote: »

LOL. Some people will blow any comment way out of proportion, especially if they're a SJW on top of it. Just ignore and move on, can't say I've ever really had any issues with sexism other then little stuff one would normally expect in any MMO with so many people of varying views, values, beliefs, ect....

Better a sjw than a sociopath imo.

Most often they are the same person, just seen from two different angles.

Not at all, a sjw usually has an overabundance of empathy, a sociopath has no empathy and is devoid of it.

OrphanHelgen · March 2020

dazee wrote: »

No. Elitist 6 year old neckbeards who send hate tells for not using the "One true build" or not having maelstrom bow, or who blame you for "not healing" when they refuse to do mechanics and die becuase of it are a far greater issue.

I don't say you are wrong, but there is two sides of a story like this.
As I see it, you are blaming a person who wan't to ignore mechanics and complain the group aren't doing their job. I can agree with people complain about this when people are group tooling a hard vet dung and still go with "play as you want". The play as you want feature, is ment for normal dungeons. I think the moment you enter a vet dlc dung, you should care about optimize for the team.

Also, it is common for people without proper builds, healing, buffs or dps, to say "Well at least I do mechanics". No they don't, what mechanics? What make people think that people with high dps don't know how to do mechanics? If people managed to optimize their build fully, and never miss a light attack during laggy and stressed environment, and perfect animation cancel, they also are able to do these famous "mechanics" everyone is talking about. What is mechanic then? Hookshotting around? Stepping on a plate and press e? Game is full of excuses everywhere.

The Uninvited · March 2020

TheFM wrote: »

x48rph wrote: »

LOL. Some people will blow any comment way out of proportion, especially if they're a SJW on top of it. Just ignore and move on, can't say I've ever really had any issues with sexism other then little stuff one would normally expect in any MMO with so many people of varying views, values, beliefs, ect....

Better a sjw than a sociopath imo.

Now now, that's not very inclusive to sociopaths, is it?

Neoealth · March 2020

TheFM wrote: »

Hoo boy, the sexism deniers are out in force again.

Radical feminists are very sexist. Works both ways.

I think most actual sane and sensible people want equal rights between the sexes. But those people who are constantly trying to drive a wedge between the sexes and attack men are equally as bad as the sexist guys who treat women like we are still in the 1950's.

Karmen · March 2020

Nyata wrote: »

personally, i don't think in 2 decades of gaming I have ever been targeted for being a woman. actually, it bugs me more that when people realize I am a woman, they try to help me, in the good way, with loot farms and so on. Thing is, I am a) a pretty casual flower sniffer, so I have no need and no interest in getting the latest raid gear, and b) if i actually want something, I wanna get it figured out and done *myself* way too often. not healthy either, I know.

I know, feminists all over the world will gasp, but I think sometimes women are too touchy. I enjoy inter-gender banter and squabbles, as long as it is good natured and with lots of winks. I mean, what's the point in having different genders if you cannot have fun with it? Keep in mind one thing though... a lot of us are playing this sort of games not just to kill time, but to feel good about something. And if s/he had a crappy day at work, got home to realize spouse is unappreciative, the kids made a mess again, and when you finally get some time to do the one thing you been looking forward to all day, the slightest thing can put you over the top. So.. honestly, i think the proper response would not be to post on the forum about it, but to say to that person 'sorry if I caught you on the wrong foot, I really didn't mean to insult anyone. hope your day gets better.'

You know, when you're acting like a man (according to their misogynist ideology), leading groups and killing them in pvp, it may hurts their ego. And the problem I encountered came from that.

Vahrokh · March 2020

TheFM wrote: »

Vahrokh wrote: »

TheFM wrote: »

x48rph wrote: »

LOL. Some people will blow any comment way out of proportion, especially if they're a SJW on top of it. Just ignore and move on, can't say I've ever really had any issues with sexism other then little stuff one would normally expect in any MMO with so many people of varying views, values, beliefs, ect....

Better a sjw than a sociopath imo.

Most often they are the same person, just seen from two different angles.

Not at all, a sjw usually has an overabundance of empathy, a sociopath has no empathy and is devoid of it.

They are narcissistic and egocentric just the same, though. The biggest difference is that the former has joined an hive mind (to give him strength), the latter is truly on his own benefit at the expense of anyone else.

TheFM · March 2020

Vahrokh wrote: »

TheFM wrote: »

Vahrokh wrote: »

TheFM wrote: »

x48rph wrote: »

LOL. Some people will blow any comment way out of proportion, especially if they're a SJW on top of it. Just ignore and move on, can't say I've ever really had any issues with sexism other then little stuff one would normally expect in any MMO with so many people of varying views, values, beliefs, ect....

Better a sjw than a sociopath imo.

Most often they are the same person, just seen from two different angles.

Not at all, a sjw usually has an overabundance of empathy, a sociopath has no empathy and is devoid of it.

They are narcissistic and egocentric just the same, though. The biggest difference is that the former has joined an hive mind (to give him strength), the latter is truly on his own benefit at the expense of anyone else.

No, they aren't. A sjw is a term people use who are usually stuck in their ways, whenever anyone sticks up for a traditionally oppressed minority groups. A sociopath is not that in any way shape or form. Anyway, I'm not going to debate that here.

Levianna · March 2020

wolfbone wrote: »

so tonight, rather a rather hostile player has verbally insulted me because I'm apparently sexist for making a reference to the '*sigh* not another distraction' some npcs will say.
apparently I'm all that's wrong with eso and I'm a vile plague that doesnt respect women. so, it has gotten me thinking, is sexism in eso as rampant as this person has claimed?

thanks for anyone's input on this matter

Didn't see the situation so cannot judge, but if you didn't have bad intentions or used bad language, that player is most likely oversensitive in this area of life so considers everything too serious, or they just had fun with you from one reason or another. Just ignore it.
Generally i doubt ZoS would allow sexism, especially if its obviously serious abuse not a silly joke. Also, repeating sexist jokes should also finish in ban.
But one sad thing to know: they already have too many reports so chances for removing such people aren't very high...

TheFM · March 2020

Neoealth wrote: »

TheFM wrote: »

Hoo boy, the sexism deniers are out in force again.

Radical feminists are very sexist. Works both ways.

I think most actual sane and sensible people want equal rights between the sexes. But those people who are constantly trying to drive a wedge between the sexes and attack men are equally as bad as the sexist guys who treat women like we are still in the 1950's.

Radical feminists aren't feminists. They hijacked the term to discredit the feminist movement, and clearly it worked.

Neoealth · March 2020

TheFM wrote: »

Neoealth wrote: »

To a hardcore feminist, everything is sexist and men are enemy number one.

Raisin wrote: »

rager82b14_ESO wrote: »

DBZVelena wrote: »

I think a lot (not all) of men have a blind spot towards sexism. What to them would be an innocent remark. Can be for a woman, a very demeaning one.

I also think certain woman (not all) are especially sensitive about such remarks and will explode in a word storm of accusations that help nobody.

Now in some cases. the word storm can be justified. For example, there are remarks like "woman go back to the kitchen." that are said with intent to hurt. Such individuals deserve in my opinion all the word storm they get.

However, there are also cases where the word storm is unwarranted and a calm explanation of why a certain remark is problematic will get better results.

In my opinion it is always better to try and educate than to drag down. Teaching why certain remarks are problematic, often makes the one learning more aware of what they are doing wrong and how to improve.
Less fight, more honest dialogue.
Of Course there is always the clown who refuses to learn. In those cases either ignore and take their fun away, or vent your frustration. but don't expect them to change.

Clowns won't change until they realise they aren't as funny as they think they are.

I mean most of the stuff guys go through, would toughen them up. I don't really care about genders myself. I treat everyone the same and don't walk on egg shells.

I am very interested to find out what kind of stuff all guys apparently go through that toughens them up. Please share?

In the next life, grow up as a boy and find out for yourself. You're expected to be tough, don't show emotion. Expected to be the protector and to do the harder work because we have greater upper body strength than females on average.

Look up Sexual dimorphism in mammals. It's why I tend to frown at the hard core feminists who seek to highlight the differences in the sexes and then complain about it. It's the very nature of the 2 sexes, we have different traits, not just physically but emotionally as well.

Just as a disclaimer, I'm all for equal rights between men and women. When it comes to personal freedoms. I just don't accept the hardcore feminists position that seek to attack men constantly for things we are naturally inclined to do.
They are the sort of person who is always trying to censor what people say. The far left are the actual fascists who hate free speech. Unless you're shouting out what they believe in, then they don't mind at all.

That's not feminism, and I'd suggest a dictionary.

You missed my point. I'm talking about how the feminist movement has been infiltrated by those who seek to use it as a vehicle for social unrest by attacking natural differences and making them into an issue. I'm not sure if you're aware, but feminism has changed greatly over the decades from a movement that is advocating women's rights, to be equal to men. To being in some cases, radicalized by the far left to push political agendas.

TheFM · March 2020

Neoealth wrote: »

TheFM wrote: »

Neoealth wrote: »

To a hardcore feminist, everything is sexist and men are enemy number one.

Raisin wrote: »

rager82b14_ESO wrote: »

DBZVelena wrote: »

I think a lot (not all) of men have a blind spot towards sexism. What to them would be an innocent remark. Can be for a woman, a very demeaning one.

I also think certain woman (not all) are especially sensitive about such remarks and will explode in a word storm of accusations that help nobody.

Now in some cases. the word storm can be justified. For example, there are remarks like "woman go back to the kitchen." that are said with intent to hurt. Such individuals deserve in my opinion all the word storm they get.

However, there are also cases where the word storm is unwarranted and a calm explanation of why a certain remark is problematic will get better results.

In my opinion it is always better to try and educate than to drag down. Teaching why certain remarks are problematic, often makes the one learning more aware of what they are doing wrong and how to improve.
Less fight, more honest dialogue.
Of Course there is always the clown who refuses to learn. In those cases either ignore and take their fun away, or vent your frustration. but don't expect them to change.

Clowns won't change until they realise they aren't as funny as they think they are.

I mean most of the stuff guys go through, would toughen them up. I don't really care about genders myself. I treat everyone the same and don't walk on egg shells.

I am very interested to find out what kind of stuff all guys apparently go through that toughens them up. Please share?

In the next life, grow up as a boy and find out for yourself. You're expected to be tough, don't show emotion. Expected to be the protector and to do the harder work because we have greater upper body strength than females on average.

Look up Sexual dimorphism in mammals. It's why I tend to frown at the hard core feminists who seek to highlight the differences in the sexes and then complain about it. It's the very nature of the 2 sexes, we have different traits, not just physically but emotionally as well.

Just as a disclaimer, I'm all for equal rights between men and women. When it comes to personal freedoms. I just don't accept the hardcore feminists position that seek to attack men constantly for things we are naturally inclined to do.
They are the sort of person who is always trying to censor what people say. The far left are the actual fascists who hate free speech. Unless you're shouting out what they believe in, then they don't mind at all.

That's not feminism, and I'd suggest a dictionary.

You missed my point. I'm talking about how the feminist movement has been infiltrated by those who seek to use it as a vehicle for social unrest by attacking natural differences and making them into an issue. I'm not sure if you're aware, but feminism has changed greatly over the decades from a movement that is advocating women's rights, to be equal to men. To being in some cases, radicalized by the far left to push political agendas.

Lol, you are so off the mark it's funny. I however not debating real world politics here as it's against forum rules.