I'm SOOOOO sick of having to play stealth on my nightblade to be effective, can we please change it?

MaxJrFTW · February 2020

That's the point of being a nightblade. Pick a different class.

Nyladreas · February 2020

MaxJrFTW wrote: »

That's the point of being a nightblade. Pick a different class.

Yeah except its flawed and doesn't work in groups. Cloak makes and breaks the class. Having just one option on a class, one that's damage-wise effective feels a little lackluster.

Sure I can be a tank, or make a brawler but I'll never kill anyone on it. Maybe I just need to give up and forget the good old 1vX times and move on.

Bucky_13 · February 2020

Nyladreas wrote: »

MaxJrFTW wrote: »

That's the point of being a nightblade. Pick a different class.

Yeah except its flawed and doesn't work in groups. Cloak makes and breaks the class. Having just one option on a class, one that's damage-wise effective feels a little lackluster.

Sure I can be a tank, or make a brawler but I'll never kill anyone on it. Maybe I just need to give up and forget the good old 1vX times and move on.

In groups or against groups? Or both? Because I tend to run smallscale with my sniper and it's really effective in a group, especially if you have a tanky friend. You sneak initially while they do some damage and debuff the enemy, then you burst the enemies from stealth, cloak and go to the next enemy. Helps if you're the one doing the stuns so they're not immune once you start attacking.

Not sure how effective a melee build is, but I'd imagine you can get a lot done assuming you've got full movement speed in sneak.

Noxavian · February 2020

Nyladreas wrote: »

Pretty much title, I'm so burnt out, so sick of, so tired from playing a stealthy character that has no other choice in the game, cause we have to build so much for upfront damage that we end up being incredibly squishy. Can we please get access to some burst heals and more logical mitigation, and actual pre-meditated burst so that we can actually skip having to play cloak like idiots all the time? it's frustrating, its boring, its ineffective in groups, it's honestly sad too.

And yes, i know I can already go a bit more tanky but there's no sense to it cause the damage get so terrible it's actually more distasteful than cloaking. Ugh.

>plays a nightblade

>complains about having to use stealth.

I'm sorry, then maybe don't play the only class in the entire game based off of sneaking and invisibility?

Like what.

Nyladreas · February 2020

Noxavian wrote: »

Nyladreas wrote: »

Pretty much title, I'm so burnt out, so sick of, so tired from playing a stealthy character that has no other choice in the game, cause we have to build so much for upfront damage that we end up being incredibly squishy. Can we please get access to some burst heals and more logical mitigation, and actual pre-meditated burst so that we can actually skip having to play cloak like idiots all the time? it's frustrating, its boring, its ineffective in groups, it's honestly sad too.

And yes, i know I can already go a bit more tanky but there's no sense to it cause the damage get so terrible it's actually more distasteful than cloaking. Ugh.

>plays a nightblade

>complains about having to use stealth.

I'm sorry, then maybe don't play the only class in the entire game based off of sneaking and invisibility?

Like what.

I dont necessarily complain about having to use stealth, but rathering feeling like im forced to crutch on it. Should've worded that better.

Don't get me wrong, I've played my NB for years, even have multiple characters. I'm just really looking for some options to switch it up, and still be effective if i go a little tankier, or choose a completely different approach than straight up glass canon that dies in 3 hits or gets wrecked by impossible group aoes.

WilliamESO · February 2020

Cloak op Stam nb op get good

Nyladreas · February 2020

Bucky_13 wrote: »

Nyladreas wrote: »

MaxJrFTW wrote: »

That's the point of being a nightblade. Pick a different class.

Yeah except its flawed and doesn't work in groups. Cloak makes and breaks the class. Having just one option on a class, one that's damage-wise effective feels a little lackluster.

Sure I can be a tank, or make a brawler but I'll never kill anyone on it. Maybe I just need to give up and forget the good old 1vX times and move on.

In groups or against groups? Or both? Because I tend to run smallscale with my sniper and it's really effective in a group, especially if you have a tanky friend. You sneak initially while they do some damage and debuff the enemy, then you burst the enemies from stealth, cloak and go to the next enemy. Helps if you're the one doing the stuns so they're not immune once you start attacking.

Not sure how effective a melee build is, but I'd imagine you can get a lot done assuming you've got full movement speed in sneak.

Against Groups. Shadow Image + Cloak of course gets me away, but i can't touch or do anything to them, without risking my death. The burst we are left with after ZOS' adjustments is so crappy, that only real potatoes die to it in a group.

WilliamESO · February 2020

Use the immoblize scattershot morph instead of poison injection and you will kill everyone and carry everyone and survive vs every zergs if you are good but don't complain

Raammzzaa · February 2020

It wasn’t that long ago that heavy armor bleed build stamblades were a dominant spec in dueling circles. I’m not sure that’s still the case after bleeds took a nerf, but it might be worth it for op to look in that direction.

Nurable · February 2020

The logical, rational and very obvious response is.... create a different class.

It's completely bat shizz insane to ask ZOS to change a large mechanic of a class just because you can't be bothered to create a new class.

FierceSam · February 2020

Nyladreas wrote: »

Casterial wrote: »

I know SEVERAL Nbs for pvp who dont really use stealth at all.

Rapid Regen / Vigor all you need.

HOW LOL... Are you trolling? Cause i'm sure that those 1k ticks of vigor in real combat are real helpful when fighting outnumbered

So, essentially you want to be able to beat multiple opponents.

The very definition of outnumbered is a fight you can’t win.

NB’s power fantasy is to strike hard from stealth.

Tigerseye · February 2020

Are we talking, specifically, about PVP, here?

The trade-off for building very tanky is always lower damage, in every game.

It's almost always better to take that route, in group PVP, in my opinion.

If you're a glass cannon, you will definitely need your stealth, otherwise you will die a lot.

In answer to people saying the only stealth class here is nightblade, I would say we need a GW2 type Mesmer class.

Great class to play, more interesting (with its clones etc.) than a nightblade (in my opinion) and you can play it more supportive/defensively than your typical rogue/thief/nightblade type class, if you want.

So, not just for the gankers...

Nyladreas · February 2020

Tigerseye wrote: »

Are we talking, specifically, about PVP, here?

The trade-off for building very tanky is always lower damage, in every game.

It's almost always better to take that route, in group PVP, in my opinion.

If you're a glass cannon, you will definitely need your stealth, otherwise you will die a lot.

In answer to people saying the only stealth class here is nightblade, I would say we need a GW2 type Mesmer class.

Great class to play, more interesting (with its clones etc.) than a nightblade (in my opinion) and you can play it more supportive/defensively than your typical rogue/thief/nightblade type class, if you want.

So, not just for the gankers...

So why does a class like warden make a better ganker, better brawler, better tank than NB? If at least there was consistency I wouldn't ask for this. But there's none.

Honestly... Either give NBs premeditated burst or give them back some of their tools and get rid of cast times. Or give us effective healing and more defense. It drives me crazy seeing people play other classes doing the same amounts of damage if not even more, and more importantly, doing so MORE EFFECTIVELY, yet being tanky AF.

Screw it. I'll just play my Templar and Warden and won't even bother bringing this topic up anymore. Idk if the forums just don't want to see how things are or if they really don't know. 😑

In other words: I wouldn't ask for any of this if NBs didn't feel like a crappy shade of its former self. All I want is consistency.

olsborg · February 2020

I love the nightblade class and the last couple of years or so, if not longer, ive played without cloak(invis) I do use dark cloak for heals and minor protection (altho minor protection doesnt seem to work atm lel). Id love for more ways to boost heals on nb, like maybe minor mending or a skill turned into stamversion and some healing. NB has always had the worst selfheals of all the classes, and its so bad its vigor tooltip vs other classes is ~30-35% lower generally.

KillsAllElves · February 2020

Firebrand10 wrote: »

If you're only getting 1k ticks off of Vigor, you're built horribly wrong. I agree that changes to NB need to happen. We've been nerfed far to much and now that most of our damage is extremely telegraphed all actual good players can easily block or roll dodge all of our burst.

And people whine about how every ability should be counterable

Katahdin · February 2020

Nyladreas wrote: »

Tigerseye wrote: »

Are we talking, specifically, about PVP, here?

The trade-off for building very tanky is always lower damage, in every game.

It's almost always better to take that route, in group PVP, in my opinion.

If you're a glass cannon, you will definitely need your stealth, otherwise you will die a lot.

In answer to people saying the only stealth class here is nightblade, I would say we need a GW2 type Mesmer class.

Great class to play, more interesting (with its clones etc.) than a nightblade (in my opinion) and you can play it more supportive/defensively than your typical rogue/thief/nightblade type class, if you want.

So, not just for the gankers...

So why does a class like warden make a better ganker, better brawler, better tank than NB? If at least there was consistency I wouldn't ask for this. But there's none.

Honestly... Either give NBs premeditated burst or give them back some of their tools and get rid of cast times. Or give us effective healing and more defense. It drives me crazy seeing people play other classes doing the same amounts of damage if not even more, and more importantly, doing so MORE EFFECTIVELY, yet being tanky AF.

Screw it. I'll just play my Templar and Warden and won't even bother bringing this topic up anymore. Idk if the forums just don't want to see how things are or if they really don't know. 😑

In other words: I wouldn't ask for any of this if NBs didn't feel like a crappy shade of its former self. All I want is consistency.

There is an insane hatred for nightblades in this game. Anything and anyone that is different or not their preferred playstyle is considered not the "correct way to play".

People cried and cried for nerfs to nightblades. They refuse to see that they have been over nerfed and not on par with other classes.

Now that nightblades are barely more than free easy kills, they will fight tooth and nail to keep them nerfed.

Squidgaurd · February 2020

you dont need stealth on a stamblade your just a bad stamblade learn to play without stealth and build correctly for outnumberd play before asking for a buff.

Malmai · February 2020

kaithuzar wrote: »

You people must’ve joined the game yesterday, please don’t make outlandish statements for how something should or should not be until you’ve got a few years under your belt.

First & foremost, there are “sections” to this forum for discussion around particular playstyle areas; ie... a PvP section, a battleground section, & an alliance war section. Both pve & pvp can be also covered in the “combat mechanics” section, if you would like to discuss, guess what,...combat mechanics.

Regarding nightblade questions, there’s a 43 page forum thread in the PvP section talking about builds; feel free to LEARN there.

Glhf

They want attention... But also mods are drinking coffee and having fun at ZOS HQ.

dazee · February 2020

Nerouyn wrote: »

It would be nice if other classes had a stealth available to them so they could play theft / murder on the same level as nightblades.

you can play murder on a higher level by strolling into a city and murdering everyone in broad daylight.

Vevvev · February 2020

Nyladreas wrote: »

I'm at 25-27k stamina, I've been playing around with it a bit. I had a build that was great, still is, but it's only good for noCP IC ganking. Useless in any group. So I went the typical 2h route with penetration

Ah, makes sense now. I don't remember the correct calculation but its around every 10 points of stamina = 1 weapon damage and every 10 points of magicka = 1 spell damage. If you're primarily a NB running a stamina build I'd do my best to crank those numbers up as high as possible with a focus on weapon damage over stamina... within reason of course. I know some people will sacrifice a bit of damage to get more health, but its not very helpful to put attributes in the resource pool you don't use. This game is very punishing to hybrid builds and I learned that the hard way

To give you an Idea of how things scale I decided to make 2 builds on the Unofficial Elder Scrolls Pages. Since I don't know the specifics of what you're truly running I just plugged in the sets you've given me and made the resource pools similar, but a little less than what you've posted. You can then see how it effects how powerful the skills are.
((Also since I don't know the Race I picked Breton by default))

Here is the build with me putting lots of stamina enchants on the gear.
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=216051

Here is the build with impenetrable and the attributes all thrown around. Also the enchantments are health enchantments.
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=216053

Vigor is on the second bar but if you compare the two the difference is noticeable (15,853 vs 13,498 healing over 4 seconds). Also please don't use these builds. I literally threw them together with very little thought and its by no means viable by any stretch of the imagination.