Magsorc and BGs

holden_caulfield · February 2020

Not a nerf thread, I swear.
Just a plea to look into BG scoring system.
A magsorc with matriarch can easily reach the 10k mark every match.
Healing from matriarch gives in the right scenario always a critical healer medal every heal.
To that add the really High burst damage magsorc Can dish out with a really simple rotation (easily macroed if One wants) and magsorc end up with an incredibile High number of killing blows and assists.
And a well set-up magsorc is also really hard to kill even if he puts everything on offence.
Hope not to offend anyone if i dare to say that it is time to buff other classes to the same level.

Chaos2088 · February 2020

Each Class is OP if you know how to play it right.

xshatox · February 2020

You know i have to wear impen now that shield can be crit'ed
I think thats enough nerf.

holden_caulfield · February 2020

Chaos2088 wrote: »

Each Class is OP if you know how to play it right.

Not for the scoring system...do u have even read what i wrote?

Olupajmibanan · February 2020

Problem is scoring system not the class. Ask for a solution to the problem. What you are asking for now is something different.

holden_caulfield · February 2020

xshatox wrote: »

You know i have to wear impen now that shield can be crit'ed
I think thats enough nerf.

Your matriarch heals for a huge amount 360 degree smart targeting.

HC - CB - EF - EF - EF - CB...kiling blow or at least assist

Im in trouble? Streak away

How is possibile u cannot admit you are top dog

holden_caulfield · February 2020

And pls feel free to point out how other classe Can perform at the same level

Real examples pls. I am all for learning

Chaos2088 · February 2020

holden_caulfield wrote: »

Chaos2088 wrote: »

Each Class is OP if you know how to play it right.

Not for the scoring system...do u have even read what i wrote?

Yeah I did

Olupajmibanan · February 2020

holden_caulfield wrote: »

And pls feel free to point out how other classe Can perform at the same level

Real examples pls. I am all for learning

Really want to see you dealing with magplars and magwardens as a magsorc. Spoiler: You can't. Purge (not the useless expensive Support one) is a big middle finger to magsorc's burst. And Crushing Shock spam + occassional Crystal Fragments really isn't enough to deal with such tanky classes as magplar and magwarden.

xshatox · February 2020

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

holden_caulfield wrote: »

And pls feel free to point out how other classe Can perform at the same level

Real examples pls. I am all for learning

Really want to see you dealing with magplars and magwardens as a magsorc. Spoiler: You can't. Purge (not the useless expensive Support one) is a big middle finger to magsorc's burst. And Crushing Shock spam + occassional Crystal Fragments really isn't enough to deal with such tanky classes as magplar and magwarden.

Agree especially templar they can just purge all dots and heal all the burst.
Although if I can take down them with initial burst I will just streak away while doing dark convert. They wont be able to jab me to death if they cant get close enough.

Iki · February 2020

-All classes can get healer-medals easily, it`s merely a matter of what skills you choose to slot and how to morph them.

-Magsorcs strongest burst requires use of curse and that`s delayed and well telegraphed ability, also purgeable.

-Top 3 of most dangerous opponents at BGs at the moment is: stamcro, stamden and stamplar, in my opinion.

-If you wanted to give all classes matriarch kind of burst-heal, would you then also want to give all classes equal healing over time, equal access to damage-mitigation, mobility and crowd-control? Please, lets not homogenize classes further, that`s the beauty and fun of different classes that they do things differently, fight each other with different strengths and weaknesses.

holden_caulfield · February 2020

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

holden_caulfield wrote: »

And pls feel free to point out how other classe Can perform at the same level

Real examples pls. I am all for learning

Really want to see you dealing with magplars and magwardens as a magsorc. Spoiler: You can't. Purge (not the useless expensive Support one) is a big middle finger to magsorc's burst. And Crushing Shock spam + occassional Crystal Fragments really isn't enough to deal with such tanky classes as magplar and magwarden.

Im more weeks than not in the BGs leaderboards. I think i know my way around pvp in bgs.
My pvp meter says i have more than 50% of match win . I always play with or against some of the best BG players.
I more time than not am over the 5k màrk. All this just to assest i think i know what i am talking about

I am not saying magsorc are op and should be nerfed.
I am only saying they have the most complete toolbox to shine in BG.

holden_caulfield · February 2020

And wait a few weeks and ill post screenshots of my brand new sorc doing 10k in BG.
I promise

holden_caulfield · February 2020

And sure u are right. Infact in BG u rarely see a matriarch...or not?

Dracane · February 2020

Who cares for leeched scores? If they want to heal, be thankful perhaps? Be thankful you have someone to support you. Be thankful when you win thanks to that rather than being toxic about it.

And Sorcerers are pleb killers. No decent player and certainly no stamina class should die to them very easily. Mistakes always happen, yet nothing that occurs frequently. If you are a Templar, a Dragonknight or a Warden and die to a Sorcerer burst combo, then you must seriously reconsider your approach.

I feel like Necromancer (not stamina obviously) and nightblade are on more equal terms with Sorcerer and can get killed by it.

holden_caulfield · February 2020

Dracane wrote: »

Who cares for leeched scores? If they want to heal, be thankful perhaps? Be thankful you have someone to support you. Be thankful when you win thanks to that rather than being toxic about it.

And Sorcerers are pleb killers. No decent player and certainly no stamina class should die to them very easily. Mistakes always happen, yet nothing that occurs frequently. If you are a Templar, a Dragonknight or a Warden and die to a Sorcerer burst combo, then you must seriously reconsider your approach.

I feel like Necromancer (not stamina obviously) and nightblade are on more equal terms with Sorcerer and can get killed by it.

Maybe u are right (not ironic).
If u put it that way i have been childish.

May I change subject then?
What class after my warden? (Magicka only. I see myself as a caster)

Dracane · February 2020

holden_caulfield wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Who cares for leeched scores? If they want to heal, be thankful perhaps? Be thankful you have someone to support you. Be thankful when you win thanks to that rather than being toxic about it.

And Sorcerers are pleb killers. No decent player and certainly no stamina class should die to them very easily. Mistakes always happen, yet nothing that occurs frequently. If you are a Templar, a Dragonknight or a Warden and die to a Sorcerer burst combo, then you must seriously reconsider your approach.

I feel like Necromancer (not stamina obviously) and nightblade are on more equal terms with Sorcerer and can get killed by it.

Maybe u are right (not ironic).
If u put it that way i have been childish.

May I change subject then?
What class after my warden? (Magicka only. I see myself as a caster)

I was suprised how well magicka Templar felt as a ranged caster. I feel sorcerer is better at close or mid range.
But aurora javelin, purifying light and radiant destruction go so well together. Especially aurora javelin is so underrated. On max range it not only has the same base damage as other spammables, but it also ignores all enemy resistances.

Anyron · February 2020

I give you reason.. Because everybody is melee, only sorc is ranged, sorc can attack from distance while others need to run there - more dmg
sorc also have ranged execute = more points ..
And yes pet heal is strong but take 2 slots..

Dracane · February 2020

Anyron wrote: »

I give you reason.. Because everybody is melee, only sorc is ranged, sorc can attack from distance while others need to run there - more dmg
sorc also have ranged execute = more points ..
And yes pet heal is strong but take 2 slots..

Other classes choose to play melee because melee deals more damage and is more dangerous to defend against.
Any class can play on range, they usually do not choose to do so. Sorcerer does not have the ability to compete in melee range.

Still, Sorcerer, like any other class, is better in melee range than from afar because it is easier to apply pressure when close to an enemy. So Sorcerer being at range is just a sad result of being unformidable for anything else.

holden_caulfield · February 2020

Dracane wrote: »

holden_caulfield wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Who cares for leeched scores? If they want to heal, be thankful perhaps? Be thankful you have someone to support you. Be thankful when you win thanks to that rather than being toxic about it.

And Sorcerers are pleb killers. No decent player and certainly no stamina class should die to them very easily. Mistakes always happen, yet nothing that occurs frequently. If you are a Templar, a Dragonknight or a Warden and die to a Sorcerer burst combo, then you must seriously reconsider your approach.

I feel like Necromancer (not stamina obviously) and nightblade are on more equal terms with Sorcerer and can get killed by it.

Maybe u are right (not ironic).
If u put it that way i have been childish.

May I change subject then?
What class after my warden? (Magicka only. I see myself as a caster)

I was suprised how well magicka Templar felt as a ranged caster. I feel sorcerer is better at close or mid range.
But aurora javelin, purifying light and radiant destruction go so well together. Especially aurora javelin is so underrated. On max range it not only has the same base damage as other spammables, but it also ignores all enemy resistances.

Ranged? Excuse my ignorance but i see all templar rely on their javelin (SP?). Id love a ranged templar if possible

Dracane · February 2020

holden_caulfield wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

holden_caulfield wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Who cares for leeched scores? If they want to heal, be thankful perhaps? Be thankful you have someone to support you. Be thankful when you win thanks to that rather than being toxic about it.

And Sorcerers are pleb killers. No decent player and certainly no stamina class should die to them very easily. Mistakes always happen, yet nothing that occurs frequently. If you are a Templar, a Dragonknight or a Warden and die to a Sorcerer burst combo, then you must seriously reconsider your approach.

I feel like Necromancer (not stamina obviously) and nightblade are on more equal terms with Sorcerer and can get killed by it.

Maybe u are right (not ironic).
If u put it that way i have been childish.

May I change subject then?
What class after my warden? (Magicka only. I see myself as a caster)

I was suprised how well magicka Templar felt as a ranged caster. I feel sorcerer is better at close or mid range.
But aurora javelin, purifying light and radiant destruction go so well together. Especially aurora javelin is so underrated. On max range it not only has the same base damage as other spammables, but it also ignores all enemy resistances.

Ranged? Excuse my ignorance but i see all templar rely on their javelin (SP?). Id love a ranged templar if possible

I do not mean biting jabs. See? You do not even know that ability because nobody uses it.

2nd ability of Aedric Spear, the morph that deals 40% more damage based on how far away you are.
That is as range-styley as it gets, right?

Bashev · February 2020

holden_caulfield wrote: »

Not a nerf thread, I swear.
Just a plea to look into BG scoring system.
A magsorc with matriarch can easily reach the 10k mark every match.
Healing from matriarch gives in the right scenario always a critical healer medal every heal.
To that add the really High burst damage magsorc Can dish out with a really simple rotation (easily macroed if One wants) and magsorc end up with an incredibile High number of killing blows and assists.
And a well set-up magsorc is also really hard to kill even if he puts everything on offence.
Hope not to offend anyone if i dare to say that it is time to buff other classes to the same level.

I agree with OP that sorcs can easily make high scores. Luckily that is not so important. Once the MMR adjust only the really good Sorcs will be in high MMR games and they will not be so common as they are now. Same with NB snipers.

L_Nici · February 2020

Magsorcs have it way to easy in BG, they have a ranged execute that will almost always steal away the kill from your own teammembers or even the enemy team. A team with a Magsorc has a way higher win chance than one without, because they can let the other team do the work and just spam their execute to get the Killing Blow and with that the points for the team.

Dracane · February 2020

L_Nici wrote: »

Magsorcs have it way to easy in BG, they have a ranged execute that will almost always steal away the kill from your own teammembers or even the enemy team. A team with a Magsorc has a way higher win chance than one without, because they can let the other team do the work and just spam their execute to get the Killing Blow and with that the points for the team.

Also called tactical advantage. It is a competition and your team should be very grateful if you can secure a kill that was otherwise granted to the enemy team. Complains like these are hilarious.

Who cares what the enemy feels? All that matters is that your team wins.

L_Nici · February 2020

The problem is they don't deserve it, they don't need to do something for it, they just spam one skill and win while never ever getting in danger.
Magsorc Players in BGs are just sad little childs, that can't play the game but want a save win.
And they are not even able to accept that their class is unbalanced and unfair for everyone else, who actually have to do something to kill, who actually need to take part in combat, who actually need to go to the enemy, who actually can get killed vice versa.

Magsorc: Execute -> haha the explosion will give me the kill anyway screw you.

holden_caulfield · February 2020

L_Nici wrote: »

The problem is they don't deserve it, they don't need to do something for it, they just spam one skill and win while never ever getting in danger.
Magsorc Players in BGs are just sad little childs, that can't play the game but want a save win.
And they are not even able to accept that their class is unbalanced and unfair for everyone else, who actually have to do something to kill, who actually need to take part in combat, who actually need to go to the enemy, who actually can get killed vice versa.

Magsorc: Execute -> haha the explosion will give me the kill anyway screw you.

Well actually the gap between a magsnipersorc and a well played magsorc is huuuge.
As i said few of them Can on a reguar basis have >1M damage AND >1M healing. And get well over 8k score.
I have the utmost respect for them...but they drive a ferrari

Dracane · February 2020

L_Nici wrote: »

The problem is they don't deserve it, they don't need to do something for it, they just spam one skill and win while never ever getting in danger.
Magsorc Players in BGs are just sad little childs, that can't play the game but want a save win.
And they are not even able to accept that their class is unbalanced and unfair for everyone else, who actually have to do something to kill, who actually need to take part in combat, who actually need to go to the enemy, who actually can get killed vice versa.

Magsorc: Execute -> haha the explosion will give me the kill anyway screw you.

It is pitiful indeed. Yet has little to do with the class itself. A properly played Sorcerer requires effort just like any other class.

Any class can spam one button and enjoy the laughs. There is a one-sided easy mode for everyone.
I think mage's fury should be used to secure kills that would otherwise go to the enemy team. Nobody should be able to complain about that. I thank every sorcerer who secures an otherwise lost kill.

holden_caulfield · February 2020

Bashev wrote: »

holden_caulfield wrote: »

Not a nerf thread, I swear.
Just a plea to look into BG scoring system.
A magsorc with matriarch can easily reach the 10k mark every match.
Healing from matriarch gives in the right scenario always a critical healer medal every heal.
To that add the really High burst damage magsorc Can dish out with a really simple rotation (easily macroed if One wants) and magsorc end up with an incredibile High number of killing blows and assists.
And a well set-up magsorc is also really hard to kill even if he puts everything on offence.
Hope not to offend anyone if i dare to say that it is time to buff other classes to the same level.

I agree with OP that sorcs can easily make high scores. Luckily that is not so important. Once the MMR adjust only the really good Sorcs will be in high MMR games and they will not be so common as they are now. Same with NB snipers.

Mmr are base on what?

Dracane wrote: »

L_Nici wrote: »

The problem is they don't deserve it, they don't need to do something for it, they just spam one skill and win while never ever getting in danger.
Magsorc Players in BGs are just sad little childs, that can't play the game but want a save win.
And they are not even able to accept that their class is unbalanced and unfair for everyone else, who actually have to do something to kill, who actually need to take part in combat, who actually need to go to the enemy, who actually can get killed vice versa.

Magsorc: Execute -> haha the explosion will give me the kill anyway screw you.

It is pitiful indeed. Yet has little to do with the class itself. A properly played Sorcerer requires effort just like any other class.

Any class can spam one button and enjoy the laughs. There is a one-sided easy mode for everyone.
I think mage's fury should be used to secure kills that would otherwise go to the enemy team. Nobody should be able to complain about that. I thank every sorcerer who secures an otherwise lost kill.

Pls stop saying 'everybody can' and start giving us REAL scenario.
The logical fallacies in forums in general are astounding (sp?)

Bashev · February 2020

Dracane wrote: »

L_Nici wrote: »

The problem is they don't deserve it, they don't need to do something for it, they just spam one skill and win while never ever getting in danger.
Magsorc Players in BGs are just sad little childs, that can't play the game but want a save win.
And they are not even able to accept that their class is unbalanced and unfair for everyone else, who actually have to do something to kill, who actually need to take part in combat, who actually need to go to the enemy, who actually can get killed vice versa.

Magsorc: Execute -> haha the explosion will give me the kill anyway screw you.

It is pitiful indeed. Yet has little to do with the class itself. A properly played Sorcerer requires effort just like any other class.

Any class can spam one button and enjoy the laughs. There is a one-sided easy mode for everyone.
I think mage's fury should be used to secure kills that would otherwise go to the enemy team. Nobody should be able to complain about that. I thank every sorcerer who secures an otherwise lost kill.

Dont be so bias. OP talks about scoring not the power of the classes. This 1m heals most of them are burst crit heals which brings a lot of points. And the true dedicated healers who heal 2m cannot get more than 2500 points. This is the problem. Not that Sorcs are OP. Just they get tons of points way easier that the other classes.

Bashev · February 2020

holden_caulfield wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

holden_caulfield wrote: »

Not a nerf thread, I swear.
Just a plea to look into BG scoring system.
A magsorc with matriarch can easily reach the 10k mark every match.
Healing from matriarch gives in the right scenario always a critical healer medal every heal.
To that add the really High burst damage magsorc Can dish out with a really simple rotation (easily macroed if One wants) and magsorc end up with an incredibile High number of killing blows and assists.
And a well set-up magsorc is also really hard to kill even if he puts everything on offence.
Hope not to offend anyone if i dare to say that it is time to buff other classes to the same level.

I agree with OP that sorcs can easily make high scores. Luckily that is not so important. Once the MMR adjust only the really good Sorcs will be in high MMR games and they will not be so common as they are now. Same with NB snipers.

Mmr are base on the score

Dracane wrote: »

L_Nici wrote: »

The problem is they don't deserve it, they don't need to do something for it, they just spam one skill and win while never ever getting in danger.
Magsorc Players in BGs are just sad little childs, that can't play the game but want a save win.
And they are not even able to accept that their class is unbalanced and unfair for everyone else, who actually have to do something to kill, who actually need to take part in combat, who actually need to go to the enemy, who actually can get killed vice versa.

Magsorc: Execute -> haha the explosion will give me the kill anyway screw you.

It is pitiful indeed. Yet has little to do with the class itself. A properly played Sorcerer requires effort just like any other class.

Any class can spam one button and enjoy the laughs. There is a one-sided easy mode for everyone.
I think mage's fury should be used to secure kills that would otherwise go to the enemy team. Nobody should be able to complain about that. I thank every sorcerer who secures an otherwise lost kill.

Pls stop saying 'everybody can' and start giving us REAL scenario.
The logical fallacies in forums in general are astounding (sp?)

We dont know how MMR is calculated actually. I also think that now it is changed as the games are way more balanced with less queue time.

holden_caulfield · February 2020

Bashev wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

L_Nici wrote: »

The problem is they don't deserve it, they don't need to do something for it, they just spam one skill and win while never ever getting in danger.
Magsorc Players in BGs are just sad little childs, that can't play the game but want a save win.
And they are not even able to accept that their class is unbalanced and unfair for everyone else, who actually have to do something to kill, who actually need to take part in combat, who actually need to go to the enemy, who actually can get killed vice versa.

Magsorc: Execute -> haha the explosion will give me the kill anyway screw you.

It is pitiful indeed. Yet has little to do with the class itself. A properly played Sorcerer requires effort just like any other class.

Any class can spam one button and enjoy the laughs. There is a one-sided easy mode for everyone.
I think mage's fury should be used to secure kills that would otherwise go to the enemy team. Nobody should be able to complain about that. I thank every sorcerer who secures an otherwise lost kill.

Dont be so bias. OP talks about scoring not the power of the classes. This 1m heals most of them are burst crit heals which brings a lot of points. And the true dedicated healers who heal 2m cannot get more than 2500 points. This is the problem. Not that Sorcs are OP. Just they get tons of points way easier that the other classes.

I *** love u! Exacty the point i was trying to make having a bad english