what's the new Kaal?

dcam86b14_ESO · February 2020

Curious where all then pvp players from Kaal are going for new update .

Wise_Will · February 2020

probably here

Gray Host: 30 day CP-enabled, Alliance Locked

Alienoutlaw · February 2020

Gray host, but i suspect it will be the 1st thing on the list as a lot of players seem to struggle scrolling any further

Akinos · February 2020

I was gonna make a similar thread but you beat me to it....so where IS everybody gonna go this time around? Gray Host or Blackreach?

Alienoutlaw · February 2020

my guild are going gray host

Karm1cOne · February 2020

I suspect pop will start in no locked and will migrate toward locked as the pugs fall for "anti spy" ideology. 1vxers will follow shortly after.

Wrekkedd · February 2020

dcam86b14_ESO wrote: »

Curious where all then pvp players from Kaal are going for new update .

Bzzzt...where. Is. The. Zerg. Must. bzzzt...Zerg.

technohic · February 2020

I haven't been on in a week bit I'm sure the people I run with will be Gray host

NBrookus · February 2020

There will be one campaign with everyone in it, because everyone is in it. Then there will be the other campaign with one actual group on steamrolling everything plus a few people trying to fish or craft at the towns.

versus01 · February 2020

Definitely joining Gray Host. I prefer alliance-lock, for the reasons we all already know.

Soul_Demon · February 2020

Karm1cOne wrote: »

I suspect pop will start in no locked and will migrate toward locked as the pugs fall for "anti spy" ideology. 1vxers will follow shortly after.

Well, to be honest everyone will follow. There is no such thing as 'anti spy ideology' there is only swappers who tend to be toxic and will be so rather quickly or those who constantly troll others of their own factions for fun. We can never really be rid of them- but locked mitigates them quite a bit.

All play-styles other than playing the map relies on "others" to generate the fights they want to selectively engage in. Its really simple really....those who play the game as intended move around the map from objective to objective- all others sit and wait to either jump stragglers or they try to take something and 'induce' players to try and take that thing back (usually a resource) and both of those only work if someone in on the campaign who cares about winning the camp. Farmers, gankers and 1vx'ers all need those playing the map- because if it were to be just those three on a map there would not be fights generated at all....none. Consequently those players will seek out those playing the map on the locked no matter what you do.

Iskiab · February 2020

Soul_Demon wrote: »

Karm1cOne wrote: »

I suspect pop will start in no locked and will migrate toward locked as the pugs fall for "anti spy" ideology. 1vxers will follow shortly after.

Well, to be honest everyone will follow. There is no such thing as 'anti spy ideology' there is only swappers who tend to be toxic and will be so rather quickly or those who constantly troll others of their own factions for fun. We can never really be rid of them- but locked mitigates them quite a bit.

All play-styles other than playing the map relies on "others" to generate the fights they want to selectively engage in. Its really simple really....those who play the game as intended move around the map from objective to objective- all others sit and wait to either jump stragglers or they try to take something and 'induce' players to try and take that thing back (usually a resource) and both of those only work if someone in on the campaign who cares about winning the camp. Farmers, gankers and 1vx'ers all need those playing the map- because if it were to be just those three on a map there would not be fights generated at all....none. Consequently those players will seek out those playing the map on the locked no matter what you do.

I don’t mind any of those 3 groups: farmers, gankers or 1vXers. Some people just want to be able to play all their characters in one campaign, and will go to unlocked to try and make it work.

It might work right for a bit until some troll runs a scroll on an alt to their friend’s faction. Then there’ll be a mass exodus.

Soul_Demon · February 2020

Iskiab wrote: »

Soul_Demon wrote: »

Karm1cOne wrote: »

I suspect pop will start in no locked and will migrate toward locked as the pugs fall for "anti spy" ideology. 1vxers will follow shortly after.

Well, to be honest everyone will follow. There is no such thing as 'anti spy ideology' there is only swappers who tend to be toxic and will be so rather quickly or those who constantly troll others of their own factions for fun. We can never really be rid of them- but locked mitigates them quite a bit.

All play-styles other than playing the map relies on "others" to generate the fights they want to selectively engage in. Its really simple really....those who play the game as intended move around the map from objective to objective- all others sit and wait to either jump stragglers or they try to take something and 'induce' players to try and take that thing back (usually a resource) and both of those only work if someone in on the campaign who cares about winning the camp. Farmers, gankers and 1vx'ers all need those playing the map- because if it were to be just those three on a map there would not be fights generated at all....none. Consequently those players will seek out those playing the map on the locked no matter what you do.

I don’t mind any of those 3 groups: farmers, gankers or 1vXers. Some people just want to be able to play all their characters in one campaign, and will go to unlocked to try and make it work.

It might work right for a bit until some troll runs a scroll on an alt to their friend’s faction. Then there’ll be a mass exodus.

Totally agree with you....Personally I think they add a bit of 'flavor' the play for sure. I think they will all be on best behaviors for a bit....but about two weeks into the camp I expect the toxicity will start to creep out and there will be a shift either due to that or just because they finally realize the play-style they chose relies on others actually playing the map as it was intended for it to work and they find themselves struggling to find gameplay.

Kadoin · February 2020

Whatever one is listed first, and seeing what it is,

technohic · February 2020

Last night it clearly looked like Gray Host unless the other servers were crashing people more.

Iskiab · February 2020

Soul_Demon wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Soul_Demon wrote: »

Karm1cOne wrote: »

I suspect pop will start in no locked and will migrate toward locked as the pugs fall for "anti spy" ideology. 1vxers will follow shortly after.

Well, to be honest everyone will follow. There is no such thing as 'anti spy ideology' there is only swappers who tend to be toxic and will be so rather quickly or those who constantly troll others of their own factions for fun. We can never really be rid of them- but locked mitigates them quite a bit.

All play-styles other than playing the map relies on "others" to generate the fights they want to selectively engage in. Its really simple really....those who play the game as intended move around the map from objective to objective- all others sit and wait to either jump stragglers or they try to take something and 'induce' players to try and take that thing back (usually a resource) and both of those only work if someone in on the campaign who cares about winning the camp. Farmers, gankers and 1vx'ers all need those playing the map- because if it were to be just those three on a map there would not be fights generated at all....none. Consequently those players will seek out those playing the map on the locked no matter what you do.

I don’t mind any of those 3 groups: farmers, gankers or 1vXers. Some people just want to be able to play all their characters in one campaign, and will go to unlocked to try and make it work.

It might work right for a bit until some troll runs a scroll on an alt to their friend’s faction. Then there’ll be a mass exodus.

Totally agree with you....Personally I think they add a bit of 'flavor' the play for sure. I think they will all be on best behaviors for a bit....but about two weeks into the camp I expect the toxicity will start to creep out and there will be a shift either due to that or just because they finally realize the play-style they chose relies on others actually playing the map as it was intended for it to work and they find themselves struggling to find gameplay.

I play a healer, I find the difference between those small scale groups and random solos is just one has a healer and the other doesn’t. Maybe it’s just me, but I’ll sometimes heal randoms and they’ll wipe the small scale groups (with even numbers), I get a kick out of it. I call it solo surfing lol.

zyk · February 2020

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

Gray host, but i suspect it will be the 1st thing on the list as a lot of players seem to struggle scrolling any further

I don't have a horse in this race and didn't support the introduction of locked factions, but this is just a salty narrative. It's an inconceivable narrative that says more about those who express it than those they are dismissive of. Most players may go with the flow, and that's determined by the collective core of AvA players.

There is only one party responsible for implementing faction locks. It is ZOS. Your issue is with them. Other players are entitled to their preferences and opinions.

The best thing for players who support unlocked factions to do is to play on the unlocked server regardless of its population. That's the only way it will grow.

Iskiab · February 2020

Well if the unlocked campaign doesn’t get populated I hope people finally shut up about it. I mean, people have complained like crazy about faction locks, if people don’t support the unlocked campaign after all this then I think the whole thing has been a waste of time and resources.

Joy_Division · February 2020

Nvm. Not worth it.