Time Wasted Training Mounts, QOL improvement

ZarkingFrued · February 2020

It takes a long time to train all of your mounts currently. Logging in and out of all 18 characters every day is not even an option for me. It would be nice to have an option to train all of your mounts for your characters on any character. Maybe allow direct character swap from the in game settings menu so you don't hit so many load screens.

Kittytravel · February 2020

Or. OR.
And I know this is insane.

ZOS can reduce the riding lessons in the crown store to 100 per 10. Because then I would without any hesitation spend at least 12$ per toon for inventory increase and speed increase to max.

Same thing if the inventory slots were only 100 crowns per 10 as well.
Almost 100% most people would take this route if the price wasn't 60$ per max category.

Dusk_Coven · February 2020

Or maybe an escalating cost if you want to train them more than once per day?
So you could up front pay an exorbitant amount for as many riding lessons as you like, or slow down to the base rate of one lesson per day.

Yamenstein · February 2020

Yeah. Maybe give more options. Like once a week make it so you can train your horse 10 levels for like 5000 coins.

Brandathorbel · February 2020

Honestly, the mount training should be max of 10. That takes 30 days which is still a while but acceptable. You have to wonder what the hell the person was thinking. No one in their right mind should think that taking 6 months to max your mount is an acceptable amount of time.

DaveMoeDee · February 2020

Dusk_Coven wrote: »

Or maybe an escalating cost if you want to train them more than once per day?
So you could up front pay an exorbitant amount for as many riding lessons as you like, or slow down to the base rate of one lesson per day.

An escalating cost is an interesting idea, but it can't be based on timer per day without changing the current countdown approach. Riding lessons are on 20 hour timers right now I believe. They aren't based on day. That means a more complicated criteria is needed for determining how to increase the cost of the third lesson in a row.

RD065 · February 2020

What's the different in speed between 60 and 30? Its it that much faster? Just curious. Sometimes I go days without upgrading speed and sometimes weeks because I only upgrade on my character that I'm currently playing. I'm happy with 140 inventory slots.

DaveMoeDee · February 2020

xbobx15 wrote: »

Honestly, the mount training should be max of 10. That takes 30 days which is still a while but acceptable. You have to wonder what the hell the person was thinking. No one in their right mind should think that taking 6 months to max your mount is an acceptable amount of time.

When the game launched, you could only train a mount 50 times. That meant you couldn't max all 3 stats. It was pretty weak because you ended up needing a fast mount for PvP and maybe a storage mount for PvE/stuff that didn't require riding.

Hapexamendios · February 2020

Would be nice to speed things up. Having a super slow mount a mosquito can knock you off of isn't really that alluring.

Merlin13KAGL · February 2020

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

xbobx15 wrote: »

Honestly, the mount training should be max of 10. That takes 30 days which is still a while but acceptable. You have to wonder what the hell the person was thinking. No one in their right mind should think that taking 6 months to max your mount is an acceptable amount of time.

When the game launched, you could only train a mount 50 times. That meant you couldn't max all 3 stats. It was pretty weak because you ended up needing a fast mount for PvP and maybe a storage mount for PvE/stuff that didn't require riding.

But you could also train multiple mounts at once, each with a different spec for a different purpose.

Jaraal · February 2020

ZarkingFrued wrote: »

It takes a long time to train all of your mounts currently. Logging in and out of all 18 characters every day is not even an option for me. It would be nice to have an option to train all of your mounts for your characters on any character. Maybe allow direct character swap from the in game settings menu so you don't hit so many load screens.

Think of all the money they would lose from unpurchased riding lessons in the Crown Store.

Not going to happen. They are looking for ways to make more money, not less.

zacvanm · February 2020

I’ve always liked the idea of account bound mount stats..or even more specifically, mount bound stats.

Watchdog · February 2020

zacvanm wrote: »

I’ve always liked the idea of account bound mount stats..or even more specifically, mount bound stats.

*looks at the quite long list of his mounts*

No, thanks.

Oliviander · February 2020

Ah guys 180 days thats not that long
(at least if you are nearly 60 years old like me)

In the moment i am learnig all traits on all 18 chars
(9 finished - 4 nearly -5 more than halfway through)
thats the real challenge.

I'm a fan of some long term goals in the game
like collecting Eidetic Memory (2 bugged missing before update)
or collecting all furnishing plans (24 missing)

Beardimus · February 2020

Buy crowns in a crown sale
Buy mount upgrades when they are on sale

Double dip..

Taleof2Cities · February 2020

xbobx15 wrote: »

Honestly, the mount training should be max of 10. That takes 30 days which is still a while but acceptable. You have to wonder what the hell the person was thinking. No one in their right mind should think that taking 6 months to max your mount is an acceptable amount of time.

You must be new to MMOs ...

UntilValhalla13 · February 2020

I mean, they do it to make their active player numbers look good. That, or pay actual money to speed it up.

redgreensunset · February 2020

RD065 wrote: »

What's the different in speed between 60 and 30? Its it that much faster? Just curious. Sometimes I go days without upgrading speed and sometimes weeks because I only upgrade on my character that I'm currently playing. I'm happy with 140 inventory slots.

It is definitely faster in a way that can be felt. 30 is acceptqble for speed, especially when you get stamina trained a little too and don't run out halfway through a city, but 60 is a lot faster.
If you don't have invetpry trouble my advice since you already have speed at 30 would be to level stam to 30 too, then go back to speed and max that then max stam. Only once that's done you level the carry capacity.

I would further recommend you start your playtime by logging in on each chatracter and train their horse. If you at all can put your toons near a stable when you park them, it's ot much bother (wayshrines are your friends) and it is worth it. If you have a lot of levelling character maybe choose 3-5 that is getting the training that day or week if the full amount feels overwhelming?
It may feel like a bit of a hassle until you get into the habit of it, but it is so worth it. Trust me, I have a new necro I'm levelling and therefore levelling her horse and everything is soooo slow it's driving me nuts. I love playing the class and would like tp go on playing her, but man this is making me consider parking her for a couple of months to get speed and stam up to something I can live with before continuing.

FierceSam · February 2020

You have all accepted the ridiculousness of ‘mount training’ and are like bald men fighting over a comb.

Mount training should not even be a thing. It massively penalises new players at exactly the point when you want to encourage them to explore their world. It’s a stupid throwback to a time when content was zone/level locked and travel was discouraged.

Players should be given a full speed mount almost immediately (maybe as a reward for completing their first real quest).

Talking about how many Crowns it should cost is the language of collaboration. It’s like you’ve surrendered before you’ve even started.

MajBludd · February 2020

Make mount progression account wide. This is only something thats been asked for for several yrs now.

Nemesis7884 · February 2020

if zos only offered a faster real cash alternative and created an artifical incentive to use it

Kombinator · February 2020

I could say the same for research. How long it takes to get all?

Maybe a queue based system could work. You pay forth for the riding skills, and queue up as many research as you want, and then you just have to wait without input.

Or simply forget these enforced waiting timers, and let it be done in an instant. I don't think, that it would hurt the game too much.

zaria · February 2020

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

xbobx15 wrote: »

Honestly, the mount training should be max of 10. That takes 30 days which is still a while but acceptable. You have to wonder what the hell the person was thinking. No one in their right mind should think that taking 6 months to max your mount is an acceptable amount of time.

When the game launched, you could only train a mount 50 times. That meant you couldn't max all 3 stats. It was pretty weak because you ended up needing a fast mount for PvP and maybe a storage mount for PvE/stuff that didn't require riding.

Yes that was common, PvP horse for Cyrodil and an storage mount for PvE.
Then you forgot to switch horse before you ported to an keep.
The three more expensive horses had +10 as an starting bonus in speed, stamina or storage and could be trained up to 50.

darthgummibear_ESO · February 2020

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

Dusk_Coven wrote: »

Or maybe an escalating cost if you want to train them more than once per day?
So you could up front pay an exorbitant amount for as many riding lessons as you like, or slow down to the base rate of one lesson per day.

An escalating cost is an interesting idea, but it can't be based on timer per day without changing the current countdown approach. Riding lessons are on 20 hour timers right now I believe. They aren't based on day. That means a more complicated criteria is needed for determining how to increase the cost of the third lesson in a row.

It wouldn't be complicated at all if they treated it like the wayshrine cost.

vesselwiththepestle · February 2020

Horse training is tedious.

It's especially annoying if you want to get a character into Cyrodiil or you want to collect sky shards. I create a character and let it just stand there at a horse trainer for one or two months before I actually start playing anything with that character except occasionally random dungeons to level up...

ZOS could add
- a horse training subscription (same time needed, but you don't have to log on every character and go to the horse trainer)
- weekly training adding +7 to one skill at once
- adding the ability to pay a huge amount of gold to increase the horse by 10, 20, 30 or even more at once!

It's not like having a maxed horse is a great achievement, for everyone who's at CP Cap and starts a new toon it's annoying, tedious, it's not fun and it would be a huge QoL improvement.

It could be restricted to players who already have at least one horse fully maxed, so new players/accounts can still get the full acomplishment of getting a horse to max level...

twev · February 2020

'Everybody' wants to get their character to end game stats without having to play the game, and then claims it's 'unfair' to make them learn the same stuff on their 16 characters, too....

Why play the game at all?

Maybe ESO should let a player create an end game 'toon right from the start and skip all that tedious 'character development' stuff, right?
Cut out the boring parts, just get right to max level skills all at once?

::smh::
I don't even....

idk · February 2020

Pretty much do not expect anything to change. Either spend a short amount of time each day to feed the mount or buy training in the cash shop. It is extremely unlikely Zos will shorten the days needed to train a mount in-game as this has been the training design well before training was in the cash shop, well before there was a bonafide cash shop. I just do not see it happening.

xeNNNNN · February 2020

Kittytravel wrote: »

Or. OR.
And I know this is insane.

ZOS can reduce the riding lessons in the crown store to 100 per 10. Because then I would without any hesitation spend at least 12$ per toon for inventory increase and speed increase to max.

Same thing if the inventory slots were only 100 crowns per 10 as well.
Almost 100% most people would take this route if the price wasn't 60$ per max category.

Its not insane, when I made my cost analysis thread for the this very thing I pointed this out as well.

Assuming the in-game trainer isn't used at stables;
Currently 1000 per 10 on all 8 default character slots filling out every single stat to max via the crown store costs hundreds of british pounds, somewhere in the £800 range due the amount you need multiplied by the average price of crowns to real currency.

£10.99 for 1500 and you can't buy the 750 crowns twice because it costs more more to do that as 2 x £5.99 goes above the price of a 1500 crowns purchase.

So assuming no stable trainer used & using current prices in £;

3 sections - Speed, Stamina & capacity all to 60 on 8 characters(default);

1500 x 4 = 6000 | £10.99 x 4 = £43.96 for 1 section.

£43.96 x 3 = £131.88

£131.88 x 8 = £1,005.04 (for all 8 characters to be fully upgraded)

Lets be clear here; Yes there is ESO plus to consider and use of the trainer should be considered, its also important to note that spending your ESO+ crowns on lessons is a complete waste and even with the trainer and ESO + and free crates it is still an absurd amount of money. A disgusting amount even.

I would be ok with them lower the price but I would be happy with them removing them entirely and let us upgrade with gold as much as we want in-game. 2 years of capped trainer and 3 years of crown store. Yeah. Its getting old now.

Chaos2088 · February 2020

Kittytravel wrote: »

Or. OR.
And I know this is insane.

ZOS can reduce the riding lessons in the crown store to 100 per 10. Because then I would without any hesitation spend at least 12$ per toon for inventory increase and speed increase to max.

Same thing if the inventory slots were only 100 crowns per 10 as well.
Almost 100% most people would take this route if the price wasn't 60$ per max category.

THIS THIS THIS!!!

Kiralyn2000 · February 2020

ZarkingFrued wrote: »

It takes a long time to train all of your mounts currently.

Eh, it wasn't that bad when I did it.

That said...

Logging in and out of all 18 characters every day is not even an option for me.

That is your choice. You're the one who bought up 18 slots, made characters in all of them, and decided to level them all at the same time. The game isn't built around extreme-fringe behavior.

Kittytravel wrote: »

ZOS can reduce the riding lessons in the crown store to 100 per 10. Because then I would without any hesitation spend at least 12$ per toon for inventory increase and speed increase to max.

Same thing if the inventory slots were only 100 crowns per 10 as well.
Almost 100% most people would take this route if the price wasn't 60$ per max category.

Eh, it'd still be a total waste of crowns at that price.

Hellvlad · February 2020

I can understand the grinding fro the first time to improve your mount. Heck it takes about 6 months to get all the traits researched for your crafter.
Fine
However.. who thought it was a good idea that such a grind had to be Character based? Why not make it account wide?

*looks at riding lessons sold on the crown store*

Oh.. silly me and my player friendly ideas.