Let's look at which campaign is most popular on pc EU.

TheFM · February 2020

Now that faction lock is gone in no cp and cp

No cp has less than half its usual population, some of the lowest I've seen in two years.

No lock cp is a graveyard

And low and behold, the most popular campaign is the LOCKED cp campaign.

It'll be interesting to see where it goes after a few days, but judging from preliminary numbers, this was A very unpopular decision. I honestly haven't ever seen of EU no cp so empty.

Kudos.

idk · February 2020

Thx for the report.

Alienoutlaw · February 2020

patch day 1 hardly enough information to draw a conclusion

Cirantille · February 2020

Yeah I just don't feel like PvPing much anymore tbh

Because, whatever I do doesn't matter in the campaign

My actions will not be rewarded or effect the campaign in any way

So why bother

I'll go farm transmutes in Laat it is better

L2Pissue · February 2020

It's not even week 1 of the new patch
I know well of guild leaders who simply ask their members to play wherever they like the first few days and then they set up a meeting to vote and agree on which campaign to start playing on
Too early to judge.

TheFM · February 2020

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

patch day 1 hardly enough information to draw a conclusion

Thats why i said itll be interesting to see where it goes, but from the first day, its clear what ppl think. If it turns around, cool, but my hopes are low since pretty much everyone in chat was complainig about it being unlocked a couple days ago during primetime.

Arca94 · February 2020

Whichever campaign is first on the list will be the most popular. Change my mind.

TheFM · February 2020

Arca94 wrote: »

Whichever campaign is first on the list will be the most popular. Change my mind.

Funny, pre unlock the locked no cp campaign, which was second on the list, was the most popular. Had the highest queue times by a large margin. Now its unlocked and its half the population of the locked campaign. Except after 2 am, then the first one was more popular, thats true.

Strange how that works out.

L2Pissue wrote: »

It's not even week 1 of the new patch
I know well of guild leaders who simply ask their members to play wherever they like the first few days and then they set up a meeting to vote and agree on which campaign to start playing on
Too early to judge.

Even when elsweyr was released the campaigns were more populated than now. Its clearly an unpopular decision, its not like the dungeons are six hours long.

Nordic__Knights · February 2020

Any locked campaign will have more population as players dont like cheating and thats all un locked campaigns promote

Juhasow · February 2020

TheFM wrote: »

Arca94 wrote: »

Whichever campaign is first on the list will be the most popular. Change my mind.

Funny, pre unlock the locked no cp campaign, which was second on the list, was the most popular. Had the highest queue times by a large margin. Now its unlocked and its half the population of the locked campaign. Except after 2 am, then the first one was more popular, thats true.

Strange how that works out.

Umm no ? Pre unlock CP enabled campaign was the most populated. And it still will be because it's simply 1st on the list and people got used to it.

Juhasow · February 2020

TheFM wrote: »

L2Pissue wrote: »

It's not even week 1 of the new patch
I know well of guild leaders who simply ask their members to play wherever they like the first few days and then they set up a meeting to vote and agree on which campaign to start playing on
Too early to judge.

Even when elsweyr was released the campaigns were more populated than now. It's clearly an unpopular decision, its not like the dungeons are six hours long.

Was Elsweyr also forcing people to completly redownload the game ? Dont try to compare state of the game right after current update to the state of the game right after previous updates because right now we have an update we never had before and it'll take a little bit more time for people to adjust to it. Lot of people dont have the game fully downloaded yet.

TheFM · February 2020

Juhasow wrote: »

TheFM wrote: »

Arca94 wrote: »

Whichever campaign is first on the list will be the most popular. Change my mind.

Funny, pre unlock the locked no cp campaign, which was second on the list, was the most popular. Had the highest queue times by a large margin. Now its unlocked and its half the population of the locked campaign. Except after 2 am, then the first one was more popular, thats true.

Strange how that works out.

Umm no ? Pre unlock CP enabled campaign was the most populated. And it still will be because it's simply 1st on the list and people got used to it.

MAybe in NA, which is the reason we have this nonsense, but not pc eu.

UrQuan · February 2020

TheFM wrote: »

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

patch day 1 hardly enough information to draw a conclusion

Thats why i said itll be interesting to see where it goes, but from the first day, its clear what ppl think. If it turns around, cool, but my hopes are low since pretty much everyone in chat was complainig about it being unlocked a couple days ago during primetime.

To the bold part: not as clear as I think you're implying.

Who's more likely to want a faction-locked campaign to play in to avoid "spies" and "cheating", a player who only casually PVPs, or a player who does a ton of PVP? A casual PVPer is unlikely to really consider that, and is more likely to choose a campaign based on either duration or CP vs. no-CP. A more "hard core" PVPer is more likely to care about faction lock, and it's more likely for them to pick a campaign on that basis.

Who's more likely to be hopping into Cyrodiil right away on the day of a massive update requiring a full redownload and reinstall of the game, a player who only casually PVPs, or a player who does a ton of PVP? A player who only PVPs casually is less likely to be chomping at the bit to jump into Cyrodiil, and will likely have other priorities on patch day (such as running the new dungeons), or may be a casual enough player that they haven't done the update yet (maybe they didn't realize it was coming and didn't leave their launcher open for it, maybe because they're only a casual gamer they don't have the best internet speeds available in their areas so it'll take longer to redownload the game, etc). A more "hard core" PVPer is more likely to jump into PVP pretty much right away after the update, and to make sure their game is updated ASAP.

So what you're really seeing day one is almost certainly that the more "hard core" PVPers (at least on your megaserver) generally prefer faction lock. That's one segment of the PVP population. It won't be until later this week (probably the weekend, when populations are generally high anyway and pretty much every active player should have the game updated) that you'll be able to judge which is generally preferred by the overall PVP population.

So what you're seeing right now is an interesting data point, but you have to consider the factors at play before drawing any conclusions from it.

TheFM · February 2020

UrQuan wrote: »

TheFM wrote: »

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

patch day 1 hardly enough information to draw a conclusion

Thats why i said itll be interesting to see where it goes, but from the first day, its clear what ppl think. If it turns around, cool, but my hopes are low since pretty much everyone in chat was complainig about it being unlocked a couple days ago during primetime.

To the bold part: not as clear as I think you're implying.

Who's more likely to want a faction-locked campaign to play in to avoid "spies" and "cheating", a player who only casually PVPs, or a player who does a ton of PVP? A casual PVPer is unlikely to really consider that, and is more likely to choose a campaign based on either duration or CP vs. no-CP. A more "hard core" PVPer is more likely to care about faction lock, and it's more likely for them to pick a campaign on that basis.

Who's more likely to be hopping into Cyrodiil right away on the day of a massive update requiring a full redownload and reinstall of the game, a player who only casually PVPs, or a player who does a ton of PVP? A player who only PVPs casually is less likely to be chomping at the bit to jump into Cyrodiil, and will likely have other priorities on patch day (such as running the new dungeons), or may be a casual enough player that they haven't done the update yet (maybe they didn't realize it was coming and didn't leave their launcher open for it, maybe because they're only a casual gamer they don't have the best internet speeds available in their areas so it'll take longer to redownload the game, etc). A more "hard core" PVPer is more likely to jump into PVP pretty much right away after the update, and to make sure their game is updated ASAP.

So what you're really seeing day one is almost certainly that the more "hard core" PVPers (at least on your megaserver) generally prefer faction lock. That's one segment of the PVP population. It won't be until later this week (probably the weekend, when populations are generally high anyway and pretty much every active player should have the game updated) that you'll be able to judge which is generally preferred by the overall PVP population.

So what you're seeing right now is an interesting data point, but you have to consider the factors at play before drawing any conclusions from it.

Of course, Totally agree with the last sentence. I had slight schadenfreude when I saw it though. Sadly there is no english word for it. =P Itll be interesting to see where it goes, but in both my pvp guilds and zone it has been very poorly recieved.

UrQuan · February 2020

TheFM wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

TheFM wrote: »

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

patch day 1 hardly enough information to draw a conclusion

Thats why i said itll be interesting to see where it goes, but from the first day, its clear what ppl think. If it turns around, cool, but my hopes are low since pretty much everyone in chat was complainig about it being unlocked a couple days ago during primetime.

To the bold part: not as clear as I think you're implying.

Who's more likely to want a faction-locked campaign to play in to avoid "spies" and "cheating", a player who only casually PVPs, or a player who does a ton of PVP? A casual PVPer is unlikely to really consider that, and is more likely to choose a campaign based on either duration or CP vs. no-CP. A more "hard core" PVPer is more likely to care about faction lock, and it's more likely for them to pick a campaign on that basis.

Who's more likely to be hopping into Cyrodiil right away on the day of a massive update requiring a full redownload and reinstall of the game, a player who only casually PVPs, or a player who does a ton of PVP? A player who only PVPs casually is less likely to be chomping at the bit to jump into Cyrodiil, and will likely have other priorities on patch day (such as running the new dungeons), or may be a casual enough player that they haven't done the update yet (maybe they didn't realize it was coming and didn't leave their launcher open for it, maybe because they're only a casual gamer they don't have the best internet speeds available in their areas so it'll take longer to redownload the game, etc). A more "hard core" PVPer is more likely to jump into PVP pretty much right away after the update, and to make sure their game is updated ASAP.

So what you're really seeing day one is almost certainly that the more "hard core" PVPers (at least on your megaserver) generally prefer faction lock. That's one segment of the PVP population. It won't be until later this week (probably the weekend, when populations are generally high anyway and pretty much every active player should have the game updated) that you'll be able to judge which is generally preferred by the overall PVP population.

So what you're seeing right now is an interesting data point, but you have to consider the factors at play before drawing any conclusions from it.

Of course, Totally agree with the last sentence. I had slight schadenfreude when I saw it though. Sadly there is no english word for it. =P Itll be interesting to see where it goes, but in both my pvp guilds and zone it has been very poorly recieved.

The English word for schadenfreude is schadenfreude. We stole your word for it, because it's the best word for it

YandereGirlfriend · February 2020

albertberku wrote: »

There are options, play in what you want. And it is not our problem when your choice has no players in it.

Not if you want to play non-CP, there aren't. We've all been forced into the spies and trolls Wild West dreamland of unlocked only.

FierceSam · February 2020

Right now, they’re all equally empty.

It seems the only real conclusion I can draw is no one wants to play PvP.

However, it’s clearly way too early to make any kind of judgements.

I’m feeling right now as if ZOS aren’t sure what they want to do with PvP or how to encourage more players into it in such a way they actually enjoy it and want to stay.

As someone who doesn’t PvP much I’m not sure exactly what OP’ s issue is. Or what the ‘decision’ they talk about was. I imagine the numbers will settle down over the next week though.

generalmyrick · February 2020

Cirantille wrote: »

Yeah I just don't feel like PvPing much anymore tbh

Because, whatever I do doesn't matter in the campaign

My actions will not be rewarded or effect the campaign in any way

So why bother

I'll go farm transmutes in Laat it is better

when i couldn't go and take resources drawing entire zergs into wasting their time i lost interest too.

i feel the same way, my actions don't matter or affect camp.

Juhasow · February 2020

TheFM wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

TheFM wrote: »

Arca94 wrote: »

Whichever campaign is first on the list will be the most popular. Change my mind.

Funny, pre unlock the locked no cp campaign, which was second on the list, was the most popular. Had the highest queue times by a large margin. Now its unlocked and its half the population of the locked campaign. Except after 2 am, then the first one was more popular, thats true.

Strange how that works out.

Umm no ? Pre unlock CP enabled campaign was the most populated. And it still will be because it's simply 1st on the list and people got used to it.

MAybe in NA, which is the reason we have this nonsense, but not pc eu.

PC EU.

kollege14a5 · February 2020

First day after patch and people have to download 52gb to play so no worries no cp will be population locked again when people downloaded the patch and finished new quests, dungeons, event etc. Cyro was also super empty for a few days after elsweyr dropped. Also the faction locked cp campaign was empty aswell.

Qbiken · February 2020

I mean, it took me 5h before I could actually play the game (200 repairs later......) so I would give it more time.

And the nocp campaign will be as populated as last patch without doubts (i play PC/EU).

Regarding the CP ones people will play were they think there'll be action, regardless of faction locks or not. That's how it was in the past and that's how it will most likely be in the future.

Personally I'm pleased that I can finally play more characters in NOCP since that's what I prefer to play these days.

Vanos444 · February 2020

TheFM wrote: »

Now that faction lock is gone in no cp and cp

When did that happen?

Vanos444 · February 2020

Damn, what really happen? Is this only on PTR or live?

mague · February 2020

My patch isnt done yet !!

But i ll join CP locked

mikikatze · February 2020

Wow, one day after update, many players did not yet download the game, many more read about those awful bugs in Cyro and stayed away, yet you already drew conclusions. That's... cute.

I'm not sure why they don't offer 5 campaigns, but I'm glad no-CP is finally unlocked.

Qbiken · February 2020

Cirantille wrote: »

Yeah I just don't feel like PvPing much anymore tbh

Because, whatever I do doesn't matter in the campaign

My actions will not be rewarded or effect the campaign in any way

So why bother

I'll go farm transmutes in Laat it is better

In what way did those action matter during the faction locks? Whatever accomplishment you did during your playtime would be undone during off-hours (unless you're one of those "off hour cap" the map when no one plays). Faction locks didn't change that and that's a fact.

Fix the score/reward system for Cyrodil and faction locks could be ok-ish. But as long as the outcome of the campaign is decided during off hours/nightcapping and the rewards remain pointless (some transmutes, purple rings and gold are hardly any decent rewards), factions feels pointless to me other than being there for immersive purposes.

Bucky_13 · February 2020

Just give us 2 No CP campaigns. One faction locked and one non locked. Let us chose what we want to play just like the players in CP can do, just having one no CP is bloody stupid. If one of them becomes a ghost campaign then fine, that's what non locked CP Cyro have been on EU for awhile, and it's still there so....

FierceSam · February 2020

Bucky_13 wrote: »

Just give us 2 No CP campaigns. One faction locked and one non locked. Let us chose what we want to play just like the players in CP can do, just having one no CP is bloody stupid. If one of them becomes a ghost campaign then fine, that's what non locked CP Cyro have been on EU for awhile, and it's still there so....

If the aim is to introduce post-50 players who have never played Cyrodiil or have only a limited experience of it, then only having a single no-CP campaign doesn’t make sense. Because the difference between CP and no-CP is significant both in a capability level (the benefits of CP) and the commendable skill and dedication of the CP players, who will wipe the floor with inexperienced or badly set up players.

You want to have one faction locked no-CP campaign for players who want to take the campaign seriously but just aren’t ready for the super-serious competitive PvP of CP Cyrodiil, and one not locked for players who might want to try playing with a variety of characters to get them used to PvP.

I’m very much in the post-50 not played much PvP camp. We recently went into CP locked and quickly got our arses handed to us, which was a very demoralising experience. Then went into no-CP, where we were still rubbish but at least managed to have some fights that weren’t total disasters and were quite fun. So much so that many of us will actually be back soon.

The danger of only having a faction locked no-CP campaign is that I’m unable to play both my best set up PvP character and my achievement character during the same campaign period. And that is a major, major disincentive for me. Because at present I really could not give a monkey’s about the campaign per se, I want to enjoy PvP with my friends on the characters I want to play in a vaguely less-than totally serious no-CP environment. Maybe I’ll get into it and be more competitive later, maybe not.

Right now ESO PvP isn’t so much end game as end of the road game. There’s a small population of very keen players doing their thing and trying to prevent new players joining.

If I can’t find a post-50 version of Cyrodiil that enables me to get into PvP, I’m not going to hang around and if new players don’t hang around, you’re not going to have much PvP growth.

NeillMcAttack · February 2020

It’s not even been 24 hrs!! You silly elves and literal ‘fraidy cats need to chill, everything is going to be just fine.

I’m looking forward to playing for the Pact, but I have AD and DC toons I look forward to running in there too. I, like most people, aren’t young brats, we will fight for whatever faction we load in on, the fear of trolls has to stop, or the trolls win, right?!

No-CP should always have been non-faction lock being that it is the more accessible of the campaigns for all players. The guild I play with have toons across all factions, now that we have freedom to play our preferred characters, it is likely to become more popular, and actually help bring new players into PvP in general.

Disruptor Stormcrafter and Necro-Phos look forward to fighting with you at some point in the future.

Bucky_13 · February 2020

FierceSam wrote: »

Bucky_13 wrote: »

Just give us 2 No CP campaigns. One faction locked and one non locked. Let us chose what we want to play just like the players in CP can do, just having one no CP is bloody stupid. If one of them becomes a ghost campaign then fine, that's what non locked CP Cyro have been on EU for awhile, and it's still there so....

If the aim is to introduce post-50 players who have never played Cyrodiil or have only a limited experience of it, then only having a single no-CP campaign doesn’t make sense. Because the difference between CP and no-CP is significant both in a capability level (the benefits of CP) and the commendable skill and dedication of the CP players, who will wipe the floor with inexperienced or badly set up players.

You want to have one faction locked no-CP campaign for players who want to take the campaign seriously but just aren’t ready for the super-serious competitive PvP of CP Cyrodiil, and one not locked for players who might want to try playing with a variety of characters to get them used to PvP.

I’m very much in the post-50 not played much PvP camp. We recently went into CP locked and quickly got our arses handed to us, which was a very demoralising experience. Then went into no-CP, where we were still rubbish but at least managed to have some fights that weren’t total disasters and were quite fun. So much so that many of us will actually be back soon.

The danger of only having a faction locked no-CP campaign is that I’m unable to play both my best set up PvP character and my achievement character during the same campaign period. And that is a major, major disincentive for me. Because at present I really could not give a monkey’s about the campaign per se, I want to enjoy PvP with my friends on the characters I want to play in a vaguely less-than totally serious no-CP environment. Maybe I’ll get into it and be more competitive later, maybe not.

Right now ESO PvP isn’t so much end game as end of the road game. There’s a small population of very keen players doing their thing and trying to prevent new players joining.

If I can’t find a post-50 version of Cyrodiil that enables me to get into PvP, I’m not going to hang around and if new players don’t hang around, you’re not going to have much PvP growth.

There are a lot of us in No CP who aren't playing it because we're not experienced, we play it because we find PvP without CP to be more fun. Builds in no CP are more flawed since we don't have CP to pad our weaknesses, which makes things more interesting to me. I need to make more decisions on what to focus on in my build compared to in CP.

And about new players, there's a couple of guilds on EP side who are friendly to new players, and usually a few pugs around which is often a combination of experienced and new players. There's also a couple of experienced guilds/groups who are running each night, including a bunch of ball groups. It's a healthy mix.

Why I prefer a locked campaign is partially because the zone chat is a lot less toxic compared to how it was the last time no cp was unlocked. But then, letting players have options is always the better solution, which is why would prefer to have 2 no cp campaigns. I tried out all the factions until I made the decision to stick with EP, which is also the side my friends are playing on.

Salthy · February 2020

If the no-cp campaign on EU is poplocked again by next week or so (when everyone's done their questing), I'm going to come to the conclusion that nobody minds faction-unlock all that much. Because if they did and wanted to play the map, they'd all go to the faction locked CP campaign.

[Snip]

Ps: I'll be playing DC as well as AD soon!

[Edited to remove baiting]