What is defined as "griefing" a player?

zaria · February 2020

geng14159 wrote: »

The biggest example of griefing I can give is when people camp the town giver locations in PVP. They don't claim the town, they just sit in the building where the quest giver spawns and spam AOEs so no one can enter the building to pick up or turn in the quest.

Yes, you can do other town quests but these people prevent you from doing any of these specific quests. You also can't claim people are doing it for AP since you stop earning AP if you kill the same player over and over again, which is what happens when Cyrodill questers try to go into the places.

Luckily, this only happens during events but it is annoying when it happens.

Its part of PvP however so legal even if an pretty *** thing to do.
Never done that but keeping taking resources deep behind enemy lines to cut off transport lines and then hide an kill group who reclaim it if small is standard. But this an common real world strategy and more of an faction grieving.

I say its hard to grief others in ESO, in WOW you had to get your ghost back to your body to resurrect and in pvp corpse camping was not uncommon. Played on an PvE server but it was some overland PvP zones like IC in ESO.
Yes you asked in guild and got an good PvP player splat him.

BackStabeth · February 2020

Kolzki wrote: »

Listing low level gear at max level prices. Try searching Tamriel trade centre for below level 50 mother’s sorrow inferno staves. Who golds a level 48 staff and sells it for 300k?

There is no reason to buy gear, any gear except maybe a crafted training set but even then I don't see any point buying any gear until you hit CP 160. It's a waste. You gain levels so fast that you get no use out of gear under CP 160. Do dolmans training runs, use the equipment you get from doing that, just keep changing it until you get to CP 160... THEN buy gear if you need to.

dazee · February 2020

GamerKat6823 wrote: »

Trying to get information on how ZoS/Bethesda define griefing, if they even cover the matter.

Still searching through the TOS, but decided to see if I was re-inventing the wheel first and see if there was something actually out there I could refer to.

Thanks!

Harrassment is any behavior which really bothers a player which is not stopped when said player asks for it to stop. within reason of course. if me minding my own business doing my own thing crafting bothers someone it is not harrassment.

Mud balling over and over after being asked to stop? People can and should banned over it on repeat offenses.

TheFM · February 2020

BackStabeth wrote: »

Thokri wrote: »

Since pvp is only allowed on cyrodil/bg limited areas, it is mostly killing npc/merchants.
Although I do believe all essential ones are unkillable so just random citizens.

I do not believe any part of cyrodil or bg can be grief, ganking is just part of pvp and not those who do not like it can opt to not do pvp.

And that is streching it far since I don't see murdering town of npcs as griefing.

Vote kick abusers and other obnoxious behavior don't really go in to traditional griefing category.

ESO is one of those games I actually have hard to think how people would grief. Except if you count being fake tank and afker and in general being d*ck.
For me old fashioned griefing is spawn camping and destroying game. (killing quest npc/towns etc.).

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. A griefer or bad faith player is a player in a multiplayer video game who deliberately irritates and harasses other players within the game (trolling), using aspects of the game in unintended ways.

From Urban Dictionary, 1. Purposefully shooting or otherwise sabotaging your teammates in an online game.

2. In online gaming where one repeatedly killing the same individual or individuals over and over again, or camping their corpse to prevent them from retrieving it, or otherwise performing actions in a game to prevent the player from enjoying the game.

3. In online gaming, someone who takes pleasure in creating grief for an opponent via various "cheap" tactics.

From Dictionary.com, A griefer or grief player, is a participant in an online multiplayer computer game who makes a point to harass other participants in the game.

From Techopedia,

A griefer is a player in a multiplayer video game that goes out of his or her way to annoy other players. The term griefer is derived from the idea of “giving [someone] grief”. There are many, many ways that a griefer may go about angering others, including:

Trash talking
Stealing kills
Camping
Turtling
Intentional friendly fire

Point is, griefing has nothing to do with NPCs. Ganking happens to be a type of griefing. If you do anything on purpose, to negatively affect other players on purpose or the intended purpose of making them feel bad you are griefing.

On a side note, it's interesting to note that Ganking is not usually performed by people who are confident players with skill, it's almost always done by very weak players who just like in real life, gang up with other very weak players. There is nothing about them that might be said to be clever, or strong, or people that have any applicable skill in PvP. They gang up to abuse other players because they are weak and cannot effectively engage in PvP so they resort to bad behavior instead.

Ganking is also not part of PvP, nowhere in the phrase "Player vs Player" is their room for "Group killing Individuals". Ganking happens in PvP, it has from the very start of the very first MMOs. It used to be people who ganked were banned, this changed when EVE Online started allowing ganking and not taking action but instead actually encouraging bad behavior like ganking and scams, etc. Some MMOs followed suit, some allowed but did not encourage it but it's not PvP at all. Lets not pretend that there is anything okay about ganking anyone, there is not, there is no benefit, there is no glory, the only purpose for ganking I can fathom is for griefing other players at least in ESO.

To the OP, if you are concerned you are being griefed, I would report it and report it every time it happens, I would encourage everyone else who believes they are being griefed to do the same. We are the people who define what griefing is in this game. ZoS wants player retention, if people are being griefed or what they consider to be so and report it and ZoS gets enough of those complaints they will take action because people who are griefed usually stop playing those games and that means lost revenue.

If you are looking to define griefing so you can skirt around the definition and not be banned? Which I don't feel this is the reason for the OPs question but if others are lurking for that reason then remember this. If you do things specifically to negatively affect other players, if you grief other players, they will report you and eventually if not sooner rather than later ZoS will take action against you. There is no good reason to grief anyone, ever. It's just simply bad behavior and only funny to you.

So pretty much everyone in a certain DC and ep guild on pc EU, no cp. I could've told u that.

midgetfromtheshire · February 2020

BackStabeth wrote: »

Thokri wrote: »

Since pvp is only allowed on cyrodil/bg limited areas, it is mostly killing npc/merchants.
Although I do believe all essential ones are unkillable so just random citizens.

I do not believe any part of cyrodil or bg can be grief, ganking is just part of pvp and not those who do not like it can opt to not do pvp.

And that is streching it far since I don't see murdering town of npcs as griefing.

Vote kick abusers and other obnoxious behavior don't really go in to traditional griefing category.

ESO is one of those games I actually have hard to think how people would grief. Except if you count being fake tank and afker and in general being d*ck.
For me old fashioned griefing is spawn camping and destroying game. (killing quest npc/towns etc.).

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. A griefer or bad faith player is a player in a multiplayer video game who deliberately irritates and harasses other players within the game (trolling), using aspects of the game in unintended ways.

From Urban Dictionary, 1. Purposefully shooting or otherwise sabotaging your teammates in an online game.

2. In online gaming where one repeatedly killing the same individual or individuals over and over again, or camping their corpse to prevent them from retrieving it, or otherwise performing actions in a game to prevent the player from enjoying the game.

3. In online gaming, someone who takes pleasure in creating grief for an opponent via various "cheap" tactics.

From Dictionary.com, A griefer or grief player, is a participant in an online multiplayer computer game who makes a point to harass other participants in the game.

From Techopedia,

A griefer is a player in a multiplayer video game that goes out of his or her way to annoy other players. The term griefer is derived from the idea of “giving [someone] grief”. There are many, many ways that a griefer may go about angering others, including:

Trash talking
Stealing kills
Camping
Turtling
Intentional friendly fire

Point is, griefing has nothing to do with NPCs. Ganking happens to be a type of griefing. If you do anything on purpose, to negatively affect other players on purpose or the intended purpose of making them feel bad you are griefing.

On a side note, it's interesting to note that Ganking is not usually performed by people who are confident players with skill, it's almost always done by very weak players who just like in real life, gang up with other very weak players. There is nothing about them that might be said to be clever, or strong, or people that have any applicable skill in PvP. They gang up to abuse other players because they are weak and cannot effectively engage in PvP so they resort to bad behavior instead.

Ganking is also not part of PvP, nowhere in the phrase "Player vs Player" is their room for "Group killing Individuals". Ganking happens in PvP, it has from the very start of the very first MMOs. It used to be people who ganked were banned, this changed when EVE Online started allowing ganking and not taking action but instead actually encouraging bad behavior like ganking and scams, etc. Some MMOs followed suit, some allowed but did not encourage it but it's not PvP at all. Lets not pretend that there is anything okay about ganking anyone, there is not, there is no benefit, there is no glory, the only purpose for ganking I can fathom is for griefing other players at least in ESO.

To the OP, if you are concerned you are being griefed, I would report it and report it every time it happens, I would encourage everyone else who believes they are being griefed to do the same. We are the people who define what griefing is in this game. ZoS wants player retention, if people are being griefed or what they consider to be so and report it and ZoS gets enough of those complaints they will take action because people who are griefed usually stop playing those games and that means lost revenue.

If you are looking to define griefing so you can skirt around the definition and not be banned? Which I don't feel this is the reason for the OPs question but if others are lurking for that reason then remember this. If you do things specifically to negatively affect other players, if you grief other players, they will report you and eventually if not sooner rather than later ZoS will take action against you. There is no good reason to grief anyone, ever. It's just simply bad behavior and only funny to you.

TLDR. Nerf nightblade cloak.

Ozby · February 2020

Players with pets and no lazy writ add on are griefing me.

Siohwenoeht · February 2020

BackStabeth wrote: »

Kolzki wrote: »

Listing low level gear at max level prices. Try searching Tamriel trade centre for below level 50 mother’s sorrow inferno staves. Who golds a level 48 staff and sells it for 300k?

There is no reason to buy gear, any gear except maybe a crafted training set but even then I don't see any point buying any gear until you hit CP 160. It's a waste. You gain levels so fast that you get no use out of gear under CP 160. Do dolmans training runs, use the equipment you get from doing that, just keep changing it until you get to CP 160... THEN buy gear if you need to.

I think they mean to say people are passing off low level gear as max level gear by golding, then listing at a price appropriate to max level...

Thogard · February 2020

The TOS uses the phrase “stalking” and in PvP that’s what’s gotten people suspended before.

Specifically targetting one person and then stalking them. This is usually done to streamers.

El_Borracho · February 2020

The way I understand griefing is following someone around and constantly killing them. You could do this for a long time in a game like GTA Online until they came up with a ghost feature. Can't do that in ESO PVP as the spawn points are at the dead player's choice and usually very far away from where they were killed, whereas in GTA they were a few yards from where they were killed.

As for PVE, I have no idea how you would grief someone in overland. I suppose you could join pugs and intentionally ruin their runs, but that is more of a trolling move.

EDIT: After reading some of these posts, I can't agree that ganking is griefing. Ganking is a PVP play style, just like bombing, tanking, or whatever.

RoninMB · February 2020

Stream sniping someone in a pvp zone.

Slothylicious · February 2020

Ratzkifal wrote: »

Taking your own alliance's scroll/hammer and running into slaughterfish water with it to sabotage your alliance or intentionally handing it to the enemy.

Wholeheartedly agree, but apparently ZoS doesn't care at all about this. Some people do this almost every day, have been for ages, and even though they're reported they are never banned.

spekdah · February 2020

Creepy PvP'ers who whisper you.

Morgha_Kul · February 2020

Karmanorway wrote: »

Kill someone in PvP, then you are griefing xD
Jokes aside, anything you do intentionaly to upset another player is griefing, If they dont like what u are doing.

-If you want to avoid griefers, dont PvP.

While true, griefing does occur in PvE as well. I've seen people deliberately killing quest objective mobs in order to prevent anyone finishing quests, for instance. It's less common, but it does happen.