I probably should have picked 'other' as I don't think any race should be given Stealth Detection personally; its not desirable or useful.

ZOS: Its not the end of the world if 2 races are good at sneaking. If you must, make the Bosmer version a bit less effective but add a sprinkle of something other than stealth detection.

Stealth Detection should not be a racial trait at all, should be replaced with something useful even if its not the stealth reduction people are hoping for.

I will never understand this logic.
"Bosmer stealth detection is useless... so give it to Khajiit and give Bosmer back their increased stealth radius!" As long as it doesn't effect someone's preferred race it doesn't matter if you pawn an undesirable racial onto another?

They should both have increased stealth radius. The increased stealth detection radius is lame no matter what race you try to slap it on.

What's interesting is that most posters actually agree that Bosmer need to be stealthy, but just disagree on how it should be accomplished.

The "no two races can share racial passives" thing is a complete joke, though. Altmer and Breton both have +2k majicka. Orcs, Imperials, Redguards, and Bosmer all have +2k stamina. Orcs and Dunmer have +258 weapon damage. Altmer and Dunmer have +258 spell damage. So shut up about how no two races can have the same thing.

The issue is that not only is it lore breaking for Bosmer to not be stealthy, but also that the practical effect is that the detection bonus is completely useless in PVE. No race should be handicapped with this entirely unneeded ability. The detection bonus should be removed from all racial passives and whoever thought of it should feel bad.

No, absolutely not. Although I hate the detection passive with a passion, I would not wish that upon anyone. Khajiit are also stealthy. Sure, in previous games they were less stealthy than Bosmer, but they were still stealthy.

Just give Bosmer and Khajiit the same 3m stealth radius and be done with it.

There are plenty of races to be a warrior or mage or something in between with but only only race to be a thief and ZOS calls that "diversity".

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Well I think they could fix up stealth detection though it might not be a very good pve buff. What they could do is buff its detection range to be at least ten to 15 feet in front and behind and side to side. Make it really useful but only for khajjit so if you see a ganker in pvp in stealth or invisable others in the group cannot if they are not khajiits. Thus giving the khajiit the edge to deal with such threats. So yeah I think they could rework it to be very useful in such situations.

Cats have this ability to know when your sneaking up on them. They wake up and look at you. At least my cats do at times.
So cat senses are very good and they have a very good way of detecting prey as well. So the Stealth detection can be a cool mechanic if they do it in a way that not only makes it very useful in pvp. But also make them very hard to sneak up on. I think it would be great as a Khajiit.

Yes, it might make sense for Khajiit to be good at detection, but you just can't justify taking anything away from them to replace it with.
Buffing the detection range won't fix that either.
In fact it will just make its bad coding and weird behavior more apparent. Detection goes through invisibility. Not just stealth, but invisibility from potions and cloak! That's because invisibility seems to be coded as "reduce detection to 0 and automatically dodge targetted attacks". So yeah, even though you can see an invisible enemy, you still can't hit them, which is more than weird.
Also, 3m aka 10 ft in ESO is less than you would expect it to be from real life. A melee attack has a range of 8 meters so even at 15ft (4.5m), you'd already be hugging this invisible enemy before you detect them! This is no exaggeration either. Your models touch at 3m separation because the distance is calculated from the center of both of your characters rather then from edge to edge.
Then there is the fact that your own detection passive is a detriment to you if you are trying to be sneaky yourself. For more information take a look at this. It has pretty pictures. Lastly we need to consider accessibility.
We can't just buff the range until it becomes useful, because of how accessible and widespread this would immediately become. Think about it. If there is an item set that gives you truesight with which you can see all enemies in stealth around you, then you'd need to make the choice to wear that set over another that might help you kill or defend against these enemies. But your race choice is outside of that decision. You pick it once at the start and then, for the most part, need to stick with it.
A third of the dominion will be immune to stealth if we'd buff it until it's useful and Nightblades would quit PvP forever.

They can and should both be stealthy. No "bosmer gets a smaller bonus", or khajiit get the detection because that thing is utter garbage. Just smack the 3m radius stealth bonus on both and be done with it. Fits lore, fits the two races, fits dialogue we see in game, people will be happy, it's actually a useful bonus, and will make Stealth Detection just a distant nightmare with time.

Orcs and dunmer both have weapon damage. Several races has stamina or stamina regen bonus. Same as several has magicka etc. The supposed "unique" racial bonuses is just humbug.

I preferred the reduced stealth detection but find all medium i'm pretty stealthy in PVP still and the Theieving in PVE well the Theif Gear Combo of NME,Barlac Drae, Night Terror lets me do all I did. Lore wise? yes it kills me we are the stealthy thieves we were. I also definately preferred the extra damage from stealth as a ranged archer in "gankstas paradise." But I know nobody is really seeking a return of that perk.

The Stealth detection has actually helped on a few occasions in PVP having uncloaked enemy nightblades hiding out in keep towers etc. The roll dodge while wonky I've gotten used to and can boost a little damage via Pen.

The Cannibalism Passive: LOL I love that idea!
Perhaps Bosmers could have a Consume Enemy passive that forced dead PVP players laying around the battlefield to res at a keep and can't be soul gemmed up.
"Get in my Belly!"

to be honest im just going to keep watching from a distance and laughing crying in argonian

(this is now a buff argonians thread)

I clicked "Yes", but then thought I probably should have chosen "Other", because I'm not sure if "Yes" means stealth passive for Wood Elves only. I'm really in favour of both races, the Bosmer and the Khajiit, having stealth passives. It would be lore-friendly and I'm all for it.

Edited for a typo.

I clicked yes, but I should have clicked other.

No race should get a passive as badly thought out as stealth detection.