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Combat Zerging
Stebarnz
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ZOS give solo or 2 man something to combat zerging except the [Snip] run around LOS game.
A set that helps out numbered or cap group size or anything, doesn't have to be a massive boost, getting 1v20'd over and over is getting boring as [Snip].
I could be outnumbered 10 to 1 and they still start getting siege out! I mean come on ZOS give me something!
INB4 some [Snip] says, 'get your own zerg' zerging is [Snip] and I have no interest in standing in a ball spamming 1 skill, I want a play style that rewards skill not potatoism.
Don't mind being outnumbered 5 to 1 but 20 to 1 is just too much, its damage stutter and dead, no counter.
I know some people like playing in a guild group so I'm not saying stop the grouping I'm saying give me something so I have a chance against the light attack steamroller zerg of potatoes.
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Edited by [Deleted User] on February 17, 2020 11:03PM A set that helps out numbered or cap group size or anything, doesn't have to be a massive boost, getting 1v20'd over and over is getting boring as [Snip].
I could be outnumbered 10 to 1 and they still start getting siege out! I mean come on ZOS give me something!
INB4 some [Snip] says, 'get your own zerg' zerging is [Snip] and I have no interest in standing in a ball spamming 1 skill, I want a play style that rewards skill not potatoism.
Don't mind being outnumbered 5 to 1 but 20 to 1 is just too much, its damage stutter and dead, no counter.
I know some people like playing in a guild group so I'm not saying stop the grouping I'm saying give me something so I have a chance against the light attack steamroller zerg of potatoes.
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VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The real trick is giving solo and 2-man players something to deal with the potato zerg that won't immediately be used with devastating effect by the very ball groups you don't want to join. So far ZOS hasn't figured that one out.15 -
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✭✭for every back ZOS scratches 10 more will get itchy, what ever ZOS could do to help solo play would be used against you by the Zergs.4 -
nafensoriel✭✭✭✭✭ZOS give solo or 2 man something to combat zerging except the [Snip] run around LOS game.
A set that helps out numbered or cap group size or anything, doesn't have to be a massive boost, getting 1v20'd over and over is getting boring as [Snip].
I could be outnumbered 10 to 1 and they still start getting siege out! I mean come on ZOS give me something!
INB4 some [Snip] says, 'get your own zerg' zerging is [Snip] and I have no interest in standing in a ball spamming 1 skill, I want a play style that rewards skill not potatoism.
Don't mind being outnumbered 5 to 1 but 20 to 1 is just too much, its damage stutter and dead, no counter.
I know some people like playing in a guild group so I'm not saying stop the grouping I'm saying give me something so I have a chance against the light attack steamroller zerg of potatoes.
Anything you give solo/smalls to counter the zergs... the zergs will use to farm the solo/smalls.
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✭✭✭✭✭A set that helps out numbered or cap group size or anything, doesn't have to be a massive boost, getting 1v20'd over and over is getting boring as [Snip].
You shouldn't be engaging those 20 to begin with if you know you're going to lose. It's funny too cause many of the solo or small group players in my Campaign have absolutely no trouble whittling down groups that outnumber them, eventually either pulling out a win or like you said, getting zerged down by the combined damage of 5 to 10 players. Whatever the case, if you're tired of it, either join a zerg yourself or stop trying to 1vX.Edited by [Deleted User] on February 17, 2020 11:04PMCP2,100 Master Explorer - AvA Two Star Warlord - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
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OlumoGarbag✭✭✭✭✭
✭ZOS give solo or 2 man something to combat zerging except the [Snip] run around LOS game.
A set that helps out numbered or cap group size or anything, doesn't have to be a massive boost, getting 1v20'd over and over is getting boring as [Snip].
I could be outnumbered 10 to 1 and they still start getting siege out! I mean come on ZOS give me something!
INB4 some [Snip] says, 'get your own zerg' zerging is [Snip] and I have no interest in standing in a ball spamming 1 skill, I want a play style that rewards skill not potatoism.
Don't mind being outnumbered 5 to 1 but 20 to 1 is just too much, its damage stutter and dead, no counter.
I know some people like playing in a guild group so I'm not saying stop the grouping I'm saying give me something so I have a chance against the light attack steamroller zerg of potatoes.
I mean there are already outplays. Stam has mobility, stay near hard to do kites like the nikel rocks and you loose a good portions of zerglings. And mag has proxy deto/vicious death, which is only really good on bombers. A rework on the applied deto morph would be nice. Making it an aoe dot that scales with allies/enemy ratioEdited by [Deleted User] on February 17, 2020 11:05PMclass representative for the working class, non-cp, bwb and Trolling0 -
StormeReigns✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Rambo knows when to stay hidden and attack strategically against multiple foes.
Power Rangers know when to call in back up when things take a wrong turn.
Snake Plissken knows when and who to attack first when out numbered, and has multiple escape routes planned.
Even Mad Max, the Road Warrior knows when to and when not to solo large groups, and utilize allies and terrain as to his advantage.
Situational awareness can and often be the biggest buff you can give yourself.9 -
StormeReigns wrote: »Rambo knows when to stay hidden and attack strategically against multiple foes.
Power Rangers know when to call in back up when things take a wrong turn.
Snake Plissken knows when and who to attack first when out numbered, and has multiple escape routes planned.
Even Mad Max, the Road Warrior knows when to and when not to solo large groups, and utilize allies and terrain as to his advantage.
Situational awareness can and often be the biggest buff you can give yourself.
Even Captain Jack knows when to run17 -
Nomadic_Atmoran✭✭✭✭✭
✭ZOS give solo or 2 man something to combat zerging except the [Snip] run around LOS game.
A set that helps out numbered or cap group size or anything, doesn't have to be a massive boost, getting 1v20'd over and over is getting boring as [Snip].
I could be outnumbered 10 to 1 and they still start getting siege out! I mean come on ZOS give me something!
INB4 some [Snip] says, 'get your own zerg' zerging is [Snip] and I have no interest in standing in a ball spamming 1 skill, I want a play style that rewards skill not potatoism.
Don't mind being outnumbered 5 to 1 but 20 to 1 is just too much, its damage stutter and dead, no counter.
I know some people like playing in a guild group so I'm not saying stop the grouping I'm saying give me something so I have a chance against the light attack steamroller zerg of potatoes.
So don't get caught out in the open by yourself in the path of a zerg.Edited by [Deleted User] on February 17, 2020 11:05PMPenniless Sellsword CompanyCaptain Paramount Jorrhaq VhentKorith Eaglecry - Laerinel Rhaev - Enrerion - Caius Berilius - Seylina Ithvala - Signa Squallrider - H'Vak the GrimjawlYynril Rothvani - Tenarei Rhaev - Bathes-In-Coin - Dazsh Ro Khar - Aredyhel - Reads-To-Frogs - Azjani Ma'LesKheshna gra-Gharbuk - Gallisten Bondurant - Aban Shahid Bakr - Etain Maquier - Atsu Kalame - Faulpia Severinus3 -
Stebarnz✭✭✭✭✭
✭VaranisArano wrote: »The real trick is giving solo and 2-man players something to deal with the potato zerg that won't immediately be used with devastating effect by the very ball groups you don't want to join. So far ZOS hasn't figured that one out.
Agreed, I didn't say it would be easy, I don't even know what without applying too much thought than I'm prepared to do on this game when ZOS don't.Battlegrounds....
Don't worry when the premades clown shoes get broken up ill be in there.A set that helps out numbered or cap group size or anything, doesn't have to be a massive boost but Jesus, getting 1v20'd over and over is getting boring as f**k.
You shouldn't be engaging those 20 to begin with if you know you're going to lose. It's funny too cause many of the solo or small group players in my Campaign have absolutely no trouble whittling down groups that outnumber them, eventually either pulling out a win or like you said, getting zerged down by the combined damage of 5 to 10 players. Whatever the case, if you're tired of it, either join a zerg yourself or stop trying to 1vX.
I mean there are already outplays. Stam has mobility, stay near hard to do kites like the nikel rocks and you loose a good portions of zerglings. And mag has proxy deto/vicious death, which is only really good on bombers. A rework on the applied deto morph would be nice. Making it an aoe dot that scales with allies/enemy ratio[/quote]
Ye, I could run around stuff like usual using LOS but that play is weak gets dull, I have whittled zergs down before but 20 v 1or2 gets difficult due to the damage stutter and cc prioritisation this game has, I don't wanna zerg because its very boring to me as it requires no skill.
Ye a rework of det morph would be nice scaling with amount outnumbered by one for stam also.StormeReigns wrote: »Rambo knows when to stay hidden and attack strategically against multiple foes.
Power Rangers know when to call in back up when things take a wrong turn.
Snake Plissken knows when and who to attack first when out numbered, and has multiple escape routes planned.
Even Mad Max, the Road Warrior knows when to and when not to solo large groups, and utilize allies and terrain as to his advantage.
Situational awareness can and often be the biggest buff you can give yourself.
All these hero's didn't have to deal with crippling lag and damage stutter lol.Nomadic_Atmoran wrote: »So don't get caught out in the open by yourself in the path of a zerg.
Ye ill just watch em pvdoor the entire map, sounds like a plan.
Thanks for the constructive replies, just frustration creeps in, im sure everyone has been there. I know the game isn't going to change so its deal or do 1.Edited by Stebarnz on February 17, 2020 8:16PM1 -
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All these hero's didn't have to deal with crippling lag and damage stutter lol.
Trick statement. If you knew your pop culture...
Escape from New York - Snake was given a Virus that tore at him.
Escape from LA - Though, it was just the common cold; enough mental mind games were played, made him believe he was handicapped and at a disadvantage which caused him to physically suffer.
So yes, he still had to suffer from crippling lag and damage stutter. But, again it is Kurt, and damn he sexy at any age or movie.Edited by StormeReigns on February 17, 2020 8:38PM0 -
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StormeReigns wrote: »
All these hero's didn't have to deal with crippling lag and damage stutter lol.
Trick statement. If you knew your pop culture...
Escape from New York - Snake was given a Virus that tore at him.
Escape from LA - Though, it was just the common cold; enough mental mind games were played, made him believe he was handicapped and at a disadvantage which caused him to physically suffer.
So yes, he still had to suffer from crippling lag and damage stutter. But, again it is Kurt, and damn he sexy at any age or movie.
And Captain Jack? well the rum is always gone:/1 -
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✭✭Let me see if I got this right... You wanna be solo fighting in a WAR and you're complaining you're being steamrolled by an army...?
Did I get it right?
Oh, ok.
If you can't fight a 20er zerg, evade it and go fight a smaller one or other solos. Complaining about makes absolutely no sense at all, sorry.
Also, I promise you, PROMISE you, if you get something that OP that will help you fight 20 people at once, they'll use it too and you'll be squashed so hard it'll be hilarious. That's called balance... That's exactly the reason why everyone is a tank today. Think about it...5 -
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✭Lol. That's kinda the whole point of fighting outnumbered. It's not an achievement if it's easy to do.PC NA
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✭Let me see if I got this right... You wanna be solo fighting in a WAR and you're complaining you're being steamrolled by an army...?
Did I get it right?
Oh, ok.
If you can't fight a 20er zerg, evade it and go fight a smaller one or other solos. Complaining about makes absolutely no sense at all, sorry.
Also, I promise you, PROMISE you, if you get something that OP that will help you fight 20 people at once, they'll use it too and you'll be squashed so hard it'll be hilarious. That's called balance... That's exactly the reason why everyone is a tank today. Think about it...
I did think, pity you didn't read!
I didn't say it would be easy, I said a skill/set that helps combat being crazy outnumbered that isn't usable for zergs, like a rework of proxy det kinda, useless when against 1 but effective when against 20.
I don't want to be able to easily slay 20 people who are hitting me, of course not but I wouldn't mind something that I could use to give me a chance at killin a few and making them think twice, along with movement, los, skill etc. Not an I win button. Alternatively zerg wipes map I just watch em pvdoor! yay!
Currently all that beats a zerg is another zerg which is crap.MartiniDaniels wrote: »
Ye now the premades are gone ill BG again, should be good!Edited by Stebarnz on February 17, 2020 10:42PM0 -
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✭✭Anything they give to help out the 1 or 2 players will be used by zergs.
You might say well have sets that don't work in a group or in a limited size group only. Does not stop a lot of solo players or small groups following each other around or following a big zerg group to still end up with a 1 or 2 vs 20+ situation only with a stronger zerg as the end result.1 -
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✭What are you doing standing there waving the flag emote
You’re supposed to pick where the fight is and bait some players to come to you, not the entire Zerg.
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✭Expecting ZOS to make it possible for you to stand there and 1v20 every zerg, while not having to dance around and play LOS games while whittling them down is just unrealistic. You shouldn't be able to go toe to toe with a 20 man zerg cause oh yeah, there's 20 of them attacking at once. Why should you get a boost in that situation just cause you chose to run solo and they didn't. Cyrodil is made for AvAvA group fighting after all and that would basically be penalizing them for playing the way it was designed.2 -
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✭xXMeowMeowXx wrote: »What are you doing standing there waving the flag emote
You’re supposed to pick where the fight is and bait some players to come to you, not the entire Zerg.
Ye when they run in a tight ball of 20 ill make sure to pick one off with a seductive lure dance and kill them and repeat? They stay together when put under pressure.Anything they give to help out the 1 or 2 players will be used by zergs.
You might say well have sets that don't work in a group or in a limited size group only. Does not stop a lot of solo players or small groups following each other around or following a big zerg group to still end up with a 1 or 2 vs 20+ situation only with a stronger zerg as the end result.
Why do people keep saying this?? you should read all comments before repeating and looking dim.
Of course everyone knows this outcome that's why it would have to be clever to stop the troll community from abusing.
E.g x amount of friendlies within 28 meters of you it doesn't work, I don't have the answer im not prepared to put my mind to it as it wont be implemented, at this point its deal with flaws, scrubs and s**t stuff or do 1, so ill deal or do 1.Edited by Stebarnz on February 17, 2020 10:54PM0 -
butterrum222✭✭✭If you want to beat the zergs, look at history. When the Persian were zergging Greece, the Spartans funneled then into a small space and single targeted them until they were finally wiped out by snipe spammers and aoe probably. They died in the end but went down in history as heros who almost wiped a Zerg2 -
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✭butterrum222 wrote: »If you want to beat the zergs, look at history. When the Persian were zergging Greece, the Spartans funneled then into a small space and single targeted them until they were finally wiped out by snipe spammers and aoe probably. They died in the end but went down in history as heros who almost wiped a Zerg
Leonidas was just running a smaller zerg lol he didn't solo the Persians.1 -
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✭butterrum222 wrote: »If you want to beat the zergs, look at history. When the Persian were zergging Greece, the Spartans funneled then into a small space and single targeted them until they were finally wiped out by snipe spammers and aoe probably. They died in the end but went down in history as heros who almost wiped a Zerg
What really happened was the Persian king got fed up and equipped his Immortals with BRP DW daggers. The Spartans were destroyed within minutes.PC NA
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✭Expecting ZOS to make it possible for you to stand there and 1v20 every zerg, while not having to dance around and play LOS games while whittling them down is just unrealistic. You shouldn't be able to go toe to toe with a 20 man zerg cause oh yeah, there's 20 of them attacking at once. Why should you get a boost in that situation just cause you chose to run solo and they didn't. Cyrodil is made for AvAvA group fighting after all and that would basically be penalizing them for playing the way it was designed.
Jesus H Christ! Please read the above comments before just writing the first piece of sputum that dribbles out ur brain!
Im not saying I want to stand and kill 20, you should ALWAYS die to such odds, but something to help maybe take 1 or 2 or give them a moments thought, while using LOS, movement, burst, heals and everything at my disposal NOT, I repeat for the cheap seats NOT an invulnro I win button. F' ME!0 -
Salix_alba✭✭✭✭Another thread complaining about ARMIES operating on a BATTLEFIELD like the previous hundred threads of posters who saunter up to a keep then act surprised they get turned into a pincushion BY THE ARMY ON THE FIELD you want a duel find a tilt yard or in the case of this game personal duels. Cause Cyrodiil dont give a #$%^ as it is LARGE SCALE PVP
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✭Salix_alba wrote: »Another thread complaining about ARMIES operating on a BATTLEFIELD like the previous hundred threads of posters who saunter up to a keep then act surprised they get turned into a pincushion BY THE ARMY ON THE FIELD you want a duel find a tilt yard or in the case of this game personal duels. Cause Cyrodiil dont give a #$%^ as it is LARGE SCALE PVP
Another no mark!0
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