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dwarven spiders arent really spider though they be arthropods in style
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Fact is they dont spin webs and they dont liquefy their food before eating it so that make them NOT spiders
but more like daddy long leggers aka harvestmen which are not spiders for the same reasons...
just fyi
Edited by thissocalledflower on February 16, 2020 2:52AM but more like daddy long leggers aka harvestmen which are not spiders for the same reasons...
just fyi
After careful consideration (and oh! so much deliberation) we have concluded that you circumstance sounds too much like a l2p issue for it to be just a mere coincidence.
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Taleof2Cities✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭This is Tamriel, @thissocalledflower ... an imaginary world.
Where any real world fauna applications do not apply to the creature bestiary.
In other words, they are indeed spiders.
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✭Some people call boogers "snot rockets" even though they clearly are not rockets.5 -
zvavi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭There are real world spiders that don't spin web.
As species. And dwemer spiders dont even eat at all. Your argument is invalid. Downvote.Edited by zvavi on February 16, 2020 8:18AM0 -
Bradyfjord✭✭✭✭✭No doubt this is another mystery only the Dwemer could fathom.
Give up now or descend into madness.0 -
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✭There are real world spiders that don't spin web. As species. Your argument is invalid. Downvote.
Which one’s? Are you meaning the difference between old and new world spiders? Afaik they all spin webs, just old world spiders dont use them strictly for prey catchin’. Tarantula = old world, Orb Weaver = new world
Edit: google proved me wrong, my badEdited by Bobby_V_Rockit on February 16, 2020 7:29AM0 -
zvavi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »There are real world spiders that don't spin web. As species. Your argument is invalid. Downvote.
Which one’s? Are you meaning the difference between old and new world spiders? Afaik they all spin webs, just old world spiders dont use them strictly for prey catchin’. Tarantula = old world, Orb Weaver = new world
Edit: google proved me wrong, my bad
Yep, i wasn't sure about it either but at the back of my memory i remembered some spiders dont web. Quick google found which spiders don't do that. Spiders that don't web are scarier though :shudder:1 -
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✭✭Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »There are real world spiders that don't spin web. As species. Your argument is invalid. Downvote.
Which one’s? Are you meaning the difference between old and new world spiders? Afaik they all spin webs, just old world spiders dont use them strictly for prey catchin’. Tarantula = old world, Orb Weaver = new world
Edit: google proved me wrong, my bad
Yep, i wasn't sure about it either but at the back of my memory i remembered some spiders dont web. Quick google found which spiders don't do that. Spiders that don't web are scarier though :shudder:
So your saying a perfect mount to skitter about with out the clanking? Sign me up.
I vote for this guy as a mount.
Edit: to hide the critter.Edited by StormeReigns on February 16, 2020 2:49PM1 -
DocDova✭✭✭We don't need spiders, I hate spiders. Already too much spiders on Earth. Do you guys know Earth has 100 times weight of all humans as spiders on Earth ?
So hidden somewhere 100 times your weight, there are spiders for you. If you are 200 lbs, then Earth has 20,000 lbs spiders just for you.
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StormeReigns✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭We don't need spiders, I hate spiders. Already too much spiders on Earth. Do you guys know Earth has 100 times weight of all humans as spiders on Earth ?
So hidden somewhere 100 times your weight, there are spiders for you. If you are 200 lbs, then Earth has 20,000 lbs spiders just for you.
Mephala approves of this.
Edited by StormeReigns on February 16, 2020 8:57AM2 -
DocDova✭✭✭Damn, I have archanophobia, don't post spider pix.
game developers should put away their love for spiders in age of photo-realism and VR.
Or else people might die due to cardiac arrest. Not a good business strategy to kill your customers.
Though ESO is MMO, but games like resident evil 7 (another of my favorite series RE) should give away spiders now.
Games should put arachnophobia warnings as it's one of most common phobia (3rd most common if memory serves).3 -
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✭Personally I don't find the ESO spiders to be very frightening. A tad scary, perhaps, but I can fight them with my eyes open! They have funny faces which makes them tolerable IMO, but I still won't hang that Undaunted spider head over one of my fireplaces because if makes me feel a tad uncomfortable. The Dwemer spiders, OTOH, they are cute.
The absolutely worst game spiders I ever experienced were those in Dark Messiah of Might and Magic. Jump scares all the time, plus I had to fight them Zatoichi-style.PC EU.
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DocDova✭✭✭Yeah, ESO spiders are not scary because MMO graphics have limitations, but linear horror games which like to give jump scares, might be very scary.
Next gen graphics would be even more closer to photo realism, VR might be a big thing.
Just imagine me playing Resident Evil 8 in first person VR and I see a jump scare with an spider, in very rare cases it might cause cardiac arrest. As a doctor I can say there is a distinct possibility.
Few days back I heard of a young healthy male security guard met an accident, received no injuries but died of cardiac arrest. Sometimes deaths due to drowning are not actual drowning but person die of cardiac arrest before they die from filling lungs with water.
People are confused between these 3 terms, heart failure, heart attack and cardiac arrest. Heart failure is a chronic condition where heart can't pump blood effectively, heart attack is when due to blockage heart muscles don't get enough blood supply, cardiac arrest is when heart stop beating.
Cardiac arrest is most serious in them and in very rare cases it happens in state of sudden extreme fear.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭thissocalledflower wrote: »Fact is they dont spin webs and they dont liquefy their food before eating it so that make them NOT spiders
This, dear friend, is also called a Spider:
It doesn't spin webs. It doesn't eat. But it shares several attributes with Dwemer spiders:
- It is made of metal
- It makes funny noises
- If you hit it long enough with a hammer it stops functioning
- If it hits you at full speed, it's not particularly healthy for you
Glad I could help.
@Syldras | PC | EU
The forceful expression of will gives true honor to the Ancestors.
Sarayn Andrethi, Telvanni mage (Main)
Darvasa Andrethi, his "I'm NOT a Necromancer!" sister
Malacar Sunavarlas, Altmer Ayleid vampire
Soris Rethandus, a Sleeper not yet awake8 -
DocDova✭✭✭Someone please just delete that real spider picture on this page also, already saw it twice while scrolling and second one has given me irregular heart beats.
It's deeply imbued in brain and not just spiders but many patterns might be hard to watch, like many people find last year's iPhone camera design disturbing. I wanted to use fisherman outfit on some of my toons but that lump on back with fishing net, I didn't like.
Posting live spider images is NOT COOL as some might think. Human brain is very complex thing and it's hard to understand why it reacts the way it reacts. Spiders and some patterns associated with them make me very uncomfortable. More as a photograph or video than live, probably because it's zoomed or probably because I am helpless, in reality I can kill the spider. Horror games make you feel helpless for obvious reasons, watching something one has phobia of under such state of mind in VR photo-realism is dangerous.Edited by DocDova on February 16, 2020 11:53AM1 -
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✭✭Someone please just delete that real spider picture on this page also, already saw it twice while scrolling and second one has given me irregular heart beats.
It's deeply imbued in brain and not just spiders but many patterns might be hard to watch, like many people find last year's iPhone camera design disturbing. I wanted to use fisherman outfit on some of my toons but that lump on back with fishing net, I didn't like.
Posting live spider images is NOT COOL as some might think. Human brain is very complex thing and it's hard to understand why it reacts the way it reacts. Spiders and some patterns associated with them make me very uncomfortable. More as a photograph or video than live, probably because it's zoomed or probably because I am helpless, in reality I can kill the spider. Horror games make you feel helpless for obvious reasons, watching something one has phobia of under such state of mind in VR photo-realism is dangerous.
If everything that made someone feel uncomfortable was banned, the internet would be a very dull place.
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✭✭✭✭✭While I understand the problem of phobias, I'm afraid that you can't avoid everything which could cause a reaction by someone. There are phobias of really everything you could think of; are even people who are afraid of beards. A warning about violence, blood, gore or such is understandable for me (in general context, in a game in which combat play a big role, it's something different again) - but will you really warn people about spiders or beards?
Also, the thread title mentions Dwemer spiders (and why they weren't really spiders), so I already exspected some kind of picture comparison.@Syldras | PC | EU
The forceful expression of will gives true honor to the Ancestors.
Sarayn Andrethi, Telvanni mage (Main)
Darvasa Andrethi, his "I'm NOT a Necromancer!" sister
Malacar Sunavarlas, Altmer Ayleid vampire
Soris Rethandus, a Sleeper not yet awake0 -
DocDova✭✭✭Someone please just delete that real spider picture on this page also, already saw it twice while scrolling and second one has given me irregular heart beats.
It's deeply imbued in brain and not just spiders but many patterns might be hard to watch, like many people find last year's iPhone camera design disturbing. I wanted to use fisherman outfit on some of my toons but that lump on back with fishing net, I didn't like.
Posting live spider images is NOT COOL as some might think. Human brain is very complex thing and it's hard to understand why it reacts the way it reacts. Spiders and some patterns associated with them make me very uncomfortable. More as a photograph or video than live, probably because it's zoomed or probably because I am helpless, in reality I can kill the spider. Horror games make you feel helpless for obvious reasons, watching something one has phobia of under such state of mind in VR photo-realism is dangerous.
If everything that made someone feel uncomfortable was banned, the internet would be a very dull place.
I have seen forum world longest here, almost 17 years now. We never allowed spiders zoomed in pix, someone got banned also.
There is NEVER any reason to post spider images, other than sadistic pleasure. Patterns are different thing, that's just for discussion, no one is asking to ban patterns.0 -
DocDova✭✭✭While I understand the problem of phobias, I'm afraid that you can't avoid everything which could cause a reaction by someone. There are phobias of really everything you could think of; are even people who are afraid of beards. A warning about violence, blood, gore or such is understandable for me (in general context, in a game in which combat play a big role, it's something different again) - but will you really warn people about spiders or beards?
Also, the thread title mentions Dwemer spiders (and why they weren't really spiders), so I already exspected some kind of picture comparison.
Spider phobia is remanant of evolution and is very common. It's healthy phobia which helped our ancestors survive, it's not unnatural and is present to varying degrees in everyone.
So it's not like other phobias you mentioned. When I gave my insight about future problems with photo realism, it will be useful. I don't say things for no reason.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I have seen forum world longest here, almost 17 years now. We never allowed spiders zoomed in pix, someone got banned also.
Where are you from? The USA? I've been around different forums (mostly German, but also general European ones) since maybe 1998, and I have never experienced this. I've also been a mod in maybe 5 or 6 during my lifetime, and that was never a rule.There is NEVER any reason to post spider images, other than sadistic pleasure. Patterns are different thing, that's just for discussion, no one is asking to ban patterns.
I find it quite logic that you post pics of real spiders for comparison when discussing a thing with a spider-like design.Spider phobia is remanant of evolution and is very common. It's healthy phobia which helped our ancestors survive, it's not unnatural and is present to varying degrees in everyone.
I don't find it healthy if you could get a heart attack when accidentially seeing a picture somewhere online. Feeling uneasy is one thing, but such extreme reactions I find worrying.
As for "it presents in everyone": If I see a spider in my home, and it minds me in a way, I grab it by one of its legs and bring it outside.
@Syldras | PC | EU
The forceful expression of will gives true honor to the Ancestors.
Sarayn Andrethi, Telvanni mage (Main)
Darvasa Andrethi, his "I'm NOT a Necromancer!" sister
Malacar Sunavarlas, Altmer Ayleid vampire
Soris Rethandus, a Sleeper not yet awake1 -
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✭✭✭✭Dwemer spiders also only have six legs. I don't count the two grasping appendages up front, since they never touch the ground, and anything that runs around on six legs scans as an insect to me. Insects do not flip me out like spiders do, so I actually LOVE the Dwemer spiders despite their stupid name. Thank gods they aren't actually spiders. The day they put a spider mount in this game is the day I stop playing. Arachnophobia isn't a choice, and not everyone responds to desensitization therapy.1 -
thissocalledflower✭✭✭✭Someone please just delete that real spider picture on this page also, already saw it twice while scrolling and second one has given me irregular heart beats.
It's deeply imbued in brain and not just spiders but many patterns might be hard to watch, like many people find last year's iPhone camera design disturbing. I wanted to use fisherman outfit on some of my toons but that lump on back with fishing net, I didn't like.
Posting live spider images is NOT COOL as some might think. Human brain is very complex thing and it's hard to understand why it reacts the way it reacts. Spiders and some patterns associated with them make me very uncomfortable. More as a photograph or video than live, probably because it's zoomed or probably because I am helpless, in reality I can kill the spider. Horror games make you feel helpless for obvious reasons, watching something one has phobia of under such state of mind in VR photo-realism is dangerous.
If everything that made someone feel uncomfortable was banned, the internet would be a very dull place.
dull places make me uncomfortable.....After careful consideration (and oh! so much deliberation) we have concluded that you circumstance sounds too much like a l2p issue for it to be just a mere coincidence.1 -
DocDova✭✭✭I have seen forum world longest here, almost 17 years now. We never allowed spiders zoomed in pix, someone got banned also.
Where are you from? The USA? I've been around different forums (mostly German, but also general European ones) since maybe 1998, and I have never experienced this. I've also been a mod in maybe 5 or 6 during my lifetime, and that was never a rule.There is NEVER any reason to post spider images, other than sadistic pleasure. Patterns are different thing, that's just for discussion, no one is asking to ban patterns.
I find it quite logic that you post pics of real spiders for comparison when discussing a thing with a spider-like design.Spider phobia is remanant of evolution and is very common. It's healthy phobia which helped our ancestors survive, it's not unnatural and is present to varying degrees in everyone.
I don't find it healthy if you could get a heart attack when accidentially seeing a picture somewhere online. Feeling uneasy is one thing, but such extreme reactions I find worrying.
As for "it presents in everyone": If I see a spider in my home, and it minds me in a way, I grab it by one of its legs and bring it outside.
I am from India and I been quite active in South Asian message boards since 2003. Altogether I would have made few hundred thousand posts under various IDs. I have served as Moderator on some, But Key member on almost all. It was year probably 2004-05, one member was posting pictures of spiders and he got banned outright, as there was no reason to do so. Another one who did same received warning. Other than that, I NEVER seen anyone posting pix on spiders. (It's considered distasteful), I don't recommend same thing over here, But deleting picture would be WISE.
What's there to compare ? Counting the legs ? Compare with words all anyone like, But putting pictures I don't recommend. Or at-least with disclaimer.
Read again, difference between Heart Attack and Cardiac Arrest, Which I explained earlier in most layman terms. Games (especially horror games) are supposed to take us in certain state of mind, they also like to give us jump scares, in photo-realism VR games, If One who has severe arachnophobia, on serious jump scare with some scary real looking spider, Might get cardiac arrest in very rare cases. (hasn't happened, But we never been nearer to photo-realism as possible with next generation consoles and better VR).
I would kill spiders outright, If possible I might burn them. It's not that I get scared easily (other than spiders, especially ones I can see but can't kill), it would be opposite. Heart Beats are also controlled by our brain, there are nodes (points) in our heart which generate impulses. When brain perceive a grave threat, primitive response activate sympathetic nervous system, which sends adrenaline and catecholamines to increase heart rate, blood pressure, tense muscles, constrict blood vessels, this sudden surge in adrenaline and stress hormones (during subjective/objective scary situation) can cause atrial fibrillation and disrupt heart rhythm and can cause cardiac arrest. It would be very rare But it can happen in healthy adults and even kids with no apparent heart disease. There are thousands of such cases reported each year. Many are unavoidable and unpredictable, But gaming/online world shouldn't need to be that way. If I know showing something might disturb someone (Like real spider picture in this thread) then why would I post that ? It's common decency.
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DocDova✭✭✭Thanks for hiding the spider, sorry didn't mean to be rude, I just hate spiders and cilantro.1
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✭✭Thanks for hiding the spider, sorry didn't mean to be rude, I just hate spiders and cilantro.
Not being rude. Just direct.
As such, remember it is only an animal. One that has been unfairly criminalized. Solely just by existing, just like so many other animals.
Also, to promote the removal of one animal's image due to an irrational fear, needs to have the equal support of the removal all animal images so that there is fair treatment of all animal based phobias (yes, this includes kittens, puppies, butterflies, etc.)Edited by StormeReigns on February 16, 2020 4:38PM1 -
DocDova✭✭✭StormeReigns wrote: »Thanks for hiding the spider, sorry didn't mean to be rude, I just hate spiders and cilantro.
Not being rude. Just direct.
As such, remember it is only an animal. One that has been unfairly criminalized. Solely just by existing, just like so many other animals.
Also, to promote the removal of one animal's image due to an irrational fear, needs to have the equal support of the removal all animal images so that there is fair treatment of all animal based phobias.
I wish It was that simple, Brain and psyche can be a tricky mistress. Somehow this fear of spider (of varying degree) is imbued in our psyche, some who has it to lesser degree can eradicate it But mine is beyond that. Although irrational (hence phobia), It's not under one's control. Most of brain functions are subconscious, most people don't know stuff at deep level, Like why I hate cilantro ? There is particular gene, which encode a protein which is required to feel it's taste, like 90-95% of human population has that gene mutated, SO they can't feel cilantro's taste, few like me has it in original form, can taste it (It taste like what you feel at end of vomit, mixed with detergent like feel). Similarly probably my genes never let go of survival instinct against poisonous spiders. I am good at controlling possible dangerous situations, I like to defuse such situation. A spider near me, in my brain is like a disaster waiting to happen and I need to defuse the situation (By killing it).
IF I ever become more relaxed, probably I won't feel that way, as root for these kind of things is fear and survival instinct.1 -
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✭✭I understand were you are coming from. But that is the thing with phobias. You cant give one more over the other.
My significant other, has a nasty phobia, an unexplainable fear of cats. So much that they went into full blown grand-malsiezure when a random stray approached them and rubbed against their legs.
A fear, they can't really explain on why. They fear cats so much so, they have broken into tears when I used haunted house cat (a current in game non combat pet). Now, they can cope that it isn't real, but still very creeped out by it.
Phobias cant be explained rationally, nor can they be held higher over another phobia, nor are they rational in how they effect each individual. Can be a simple as the hebbie-geebies, to possoble extreme physical effects.
But, still very pro non dwemer spider mount.Edited by StormeReigns on February 16, 2020 5:11PM0 -
DocDova✭✭✭At least Cats are cute, but if I see actual spiders as mount (non dwemer), I am almost certain I will quit the game. Thought of seeing a human on a spider, can't get that sight out of my mind.
That would make me quit ESO for sure, I love everything but can't do that to myself. It's almost 11 pm, I just hope I don't get nightmares.
So that's what this thread was about ? Damn, didn't read it. It's worse than having scary spider in some survival game. It has almost 100 percent potential of making me leave my permanent game ESO, just give me one month warning before releasing spider mount, so I can get my affairs in order.0 -
DocDova✭✭✭Another thing is, fear of spiders is one of the most deeply set in our brains, let me explain it by going what would seem off topic.
You can't tickle yourself, no matter how hard you try, if someone else tickle you without you knowing it's them, you would almost always feel it. This defense mechanism is almost entirely against spiders. How deep it goes ?
Some people dream in a way that they are somewhat aware they are dreaming, if they are confused, there is one test to know, ask anyone to tickle you, in dreams everyone will flat out refuse, as they are figment of your imagination and your brain won't let you feel tickle by itself, as it's defense mechanism against a threat.0
