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Make rapid regen a self heal
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AcadianPaladin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I'd like to see Rapid Regen heal 4 instead of 3, with one heal always going to the caster. Dungeon groups are 4 and it would be nice if one cast covered the whole group. And with one heal always going to the caster, it helps ensure the source of healing (the healer) remains able to do her job.PC NA(no Steam), PvE, mostly solo0 -
Stebarnz✭✭✭✭✭
✭i think it's because all classes have a self heal built into their class skills somewhere, and that is more common in the magicka variations
not so with stam builds. stam dk and stamplar certainly have the short end of the stick in regards to self heals and can be very reliant on vigor for example, whereas their mag variants have very powerful self heals in searing strike and puncturing
as well as this, resto staff is intended to be a healer tree and weapon, to have a selfish heal on it would be pretty counter productive
Magic night blade seriously disagrees that all classes have a self heal!
They have no self heal, shields or anything except a heal that heals other people and costs YOU 4k health lmao ZOS haven't got a clue
Errr, wot!
Cloak morph heal instead of coward/troll morph
refreshing path
siphon strikes
funnel health
How many you want????0 -
Langeston✭✭✭✭✭
✭i think it's because all classes have a self heal built into their class skills somewhere, and that is more common in the magicka variations
not so with stam builds. stam dk and stamplar certainly have the short end of the stick in regards to self heals and can be very reliant on vigor for example, whereas their mag variants have very powerful self heals in searing strike and puncturing
as well as this, resto staff is intended to be a healer tree and weapon, to have a selfish heal on it would be pretty counter productive
Magic night blade seriously disagrees that all classes have a self heal!
They have no self heal, shields or anything except a heal that heals other people and costs YOU 4k health lmao ZOS haven't got a clue
Errr, wot!
Cloak morph heal instead of coward/troll morph
refreshing path
siphon strikes
funnel health
How many you want????
He meant burst heal, but I'm pretty sure you know that.2 -
Stebarnz✭✭✭✭✭
✭i think it's because all classes have a self heal built into their class skills somewhere, and that is more common in the magicka variations
not so with stam builds. stam dk and stamplar certainly have the short end of the stick in regards to self heals and can be very reliant on vigor for example, whereas their mag variants have very powerful self heals in searing strike and puncturing
as well as this, resto staff is intended to be a healer tree and weapon, to have a selfish heal on it would be pretty counter productive
Magic night blade seriously disagrees that all classes have a self heal!
They have no self heal, shields or anything except a heal that heals other people and costs YOU 4k health lmao ZOS haven't got a clue
Errr, wot!
Cloak morph heal instead of coward/troll morph
refreshing path
siphon strikes
funnel health
How many you want????
He meant burst heal, but I'm pretty sure you know that.
No, not at any point was burst heal mentioned only self heal, either way magblade has a lot of heals, 1 of the things it CAN actually do!
Its the very reason that it has many HOT's that it doesn't have a readily available burst heal.
Also Reapers mark is a burst heal! Hard to use but burst heal none the less.Edited by Stebarnz on February 15, 2020 6:48PM0 -
Langeston✭✭✭✭✭
✭i think it's because all classes have a self heal built into their class skills somewhere, and that is more common in the magicka variations
not so with stam builds. stam dk and stamplar certainly have the short end of the stick in regards to self heals and can be very reliant on vigor for example, whereas their mag variants have very powerful self heals in searing strike and puncturing
as well as this, resto staff is intended to be a healer tree and weapon, to have a selfish heal on it would be pretty counter productive
Magic night blade seriously disagrees that all classes have a self heal!
They have no self heal, shields or anything except a heal that heals other people and costs YOU 4k health lmao ZOS haven't got a clue
Errr, wot!
Cloak morph heal instead of coward/troll morph
refreshing path
siphon strikes
funnel health
How many you want????
He meant burst heal, but I'm pretty sure you know that.
No, not at any point was burst heal mentioned only self heal, either way magblade has a lot of heals, 1 of the things it CAN actually do!
Which is fine in PVE, but if you don't have a solid burst heal in PVP you're dead — especially with the constant stream of new stamina sets providing more & more burst damage.2 -
Stebarnz✭✭✭✭✭
✭i think it's because all classes have a self heal built into their class skills somewhere, and that is more common in the magicka variations
not so with stam builds. stam dk and stamplar certainly have the short end of the stick in regards to self heals and can be very reliant on vigor for example, whereas their mag variants have very powerful self heals in searing strike and puncturing
as well as this, resto staff is intended to be a healer tree and weapon, to have a selfish heal on it would be pretty counter productive
Magic night blade seriously disagrees that all classes have a self heal!
They have no self heal, shields or anything except a heal that heals other people and costs YOU 4k health lmao ZOS haven't got a clue
Errr, wot!
Cloak morph heal instead of coward/troll morph
refreshing path
siphon strikes
funnel health
How many you want????
He meant burst heal, but I'm pretty sure you know that.
No, not at any point was burst heal mentioned only self heal, either way magblade has a lot of heals, 1 of the things it CAN actually do!
Which is fine in PVE, but if you don't have a solid burst heal in PVP you're dead — especially with the constant stream of new stamina sets providing more & more burst damage.
So itsa L2P issue? (BTW magblade is in a bad place so im not defending the way magnb plays)
What sets are you talking about btw?0 -
Langeston✭✭✭✭✭
✭i think it's because all classes have a self heal built into their class skills somewhere, and that is more common in the magicka variations
not so with stam builds. stam dk and stamplar certainly have the short end of the stick in regards to self heals and can be very reliant on vigor for example, whereas their mag variants have very powerful self heals in searing strike and puncturing
as well as this, resto staff is intended to be a healer tree and weapon, to have a selfish heal on it would be pretty counter productive
Magic night blade seriously disagrees that all classes have a self heal!
They have no self heal, shields or anything except a heal that heals other people and costs YOU 4k health lmao ZOS haven't got a clue
Errr, wot!
Cloak morph heal instead of coward/troll morph
refreshing path
siphon strikes
funnel health
How many you want????
He meant burst heal, but I'm pretty sure you know that.
No, not at any point was burst heal mentioned only self heal, either way magblade has a lot of heals, 1 of the things it CAN actually do!
Which is fine in PVE, but if you don't have a solid burst heal in PVP you're dead — especially with the constant stream of new stamina sets providing more & more burst damage.
So itsa L2P issue? (BTW magblade is in a bad place so im not defending the way magnb plays)
What sets are you talking about btw?
No, I don't think it's a "L2P issue." Damage in the game has risen substantially while at the same time magblade HOTs have gotten worse. With the amount of burst available to stamina classes, playing a light armor magblade relying solely on HOTs is just not viable in PVP — especially considering how much better the overall healing is on pretty much every class, and the fact that these classes with better healing also have stackable/delayed burst combos. So they can heal through your [complex & difficult to land] burst, and then turn around and curb stomp you by pressing 3 or 4 buttons.
As far as what sets, hop on the PTS & check them out. Below are 3 examples from just 20 minutes or so of playing around with a few different combinations — I'm sure you could get better numbers if you put more thought into it than I did. Do you think ZOS was thinking of damage/penetration numbers this high over a year ago when they nerfed the healing on magblades? Somehow I doubt it.(I had CP on this toon, btw.)
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Mayrael✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭So we have a skill that doesn't require any weapon, is reliable self heal or group heal (even though it's not connected with healing weapon) and then we have rapid regen. Skill which requires you to use specific type of weapon thus limits not only your skill distribution, but also your equipment and in general how you can play. Then additionally it doesn't guarantee you will receive the heal when casted, even more, this skill doesn't guarantee that target with LOWEST HP will receive the heal. Rapid regen seems to choose it's targets completely in a random maner, somehow Healing Ward has much better targetting AI.
Give magicka classes reliable self heal copy/paste like vigor, and 90% of us will stop using resto staff, this is how bad this skill and the whole weapon is.I'm done with this game because of ZOS pushing us into Vengeance, because they don't know how to fix Cyrodiil.4 -
Stebarnz✭✭✭✭✭
✭i think it's because all classes have a self heal built into their class skills somewhere, and that is more common in the magicka variations
not so with stam builds. stam dk and stamplar certainly have the short end of the stick in regards to self heals and can be very reliant on vigor for example, whereas their mag variants have very powerful self heals in searing strike and puncturing
as well as this, resto staff is intended to be a healer tree and weapon, to have a selfish heal on it would be pretty counter productive
Magic night blade seriously disagrees that all classes have a self heal!
They have no self heal, shields or anything except a heal that heals other people and costs YOU 4k health lmao ZOS haven't got a clue
Errr, wot!
Cloak morph heal instead of coward/troll morph
refreshing path
siphon strikes
funnel health
How many you want????
He meant burst heal, but I'm pretty sure you know that.
No, not at any point was burst heal mentioned only self heal, either way magblade has a lot of heals, 1 of the things it CAN actually do!
Which is fine in PVE, but if you don't have a solid burst heal in PVP you're dead — especially with the constant stream of new stamina sets providing more & more burst damage.
So itsa L2P issue? (BTW magblade is in a bad place so im not defending the way magnb plays)
What sets are you talking about btw?
No, I don't think it's a "L2P issue." Damage in the game has risen substantially while at the same time magblade HOTs have gotten worse. With the amount of burst available to stamina classes, playing a light armor magblade relying solely on HOTs is just not viable in PVP — especially considering how much better the overall healing is on pretty much every class, and the fact that these classes with better healing also have stackable/delayed burst combos. So they can heal through your [complex & difficult to land] burst, and then turn around and curb stomp you by pressing 3 or 4 buttons.
As far as what sets, hop on the PTS & check them out. Below are 3 examples from just 20 minutes or so of playing around with a few different combinations — I'm sure you could get better numbers if you put more thought into it than I did. Do you think ZOS was thinking of damage/penetration numbers this high over a year ago when they nerfed the healing on magblades? Somehow I doubt it.(I had CP on this toon, btw.)
I try to not go on the pts its pointless as zos don't listen to feedback and change things willy nilly.
I agree magnb isn't viable in pvp currently, no matter the set but its not down to the heals, its many things that's wrong on that particular class, just giving mag nb a burst heal wouldn't really help it as HOT's would have to be removed so rob peter to pay paul.
The new sets look a bit mad then!0 -
Reyleigh✭✭✭So we have a skill that doesn't require any weapon, is reliable self heal or group heal (even though it's not connected with healing weapon) and then we have rapid regen. Skill which requires you to use specific type of weapon thus limits not only your skill distribution, but also your equipment and in general how you can play. Then additionally it doesn't guarantee you will receive the heal when casted, even more, this skill doesn't guarantee that target with LOWEST HP will receive the heal. Rapid regen seems to choose it's targets completely in a random maner, somehow Healing Ward has much better targetting AI.
Give magicka classes reliable self heal copy/paste like vigor, and 90% of us will stop using resto staff, this is how bad this skill and the whole weapon is.
Completely agree
And yes i tried Healing Ward and it is MUCH better, i find it always applies on me when i need it
But it costs almost twice and you only get heals as long as the shield is holding, so not good in a situation where you're overwhelmed and your shields melt like snow under the sun2 -
Iskiab✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭i think it's because all classes have a self heal built into their class skills somewhere, and that is more common in the magicka variations
not so with stam builds. stam dk and stamplar certainly have the short end of the stick in regards to self heals and can be very reliant on vigor for example, whereas their mag variants have very powerful self heals in searing strike and puncturing
as well as this, resto staff is intended to be a healer tree and weapon, to have a selfish heal on it would be pretty counter productive
Magic night blade seriously disagrees that all classes have a self heal!
They have no self heal, shields or anything except a heal that heals other people and costs YOU 4k health lmao ZOS haven't got a clue
Errr, wot!
Cloak morph heal instead of coward/troll morph
refreshing path
siphon strikes
funnel health
How many you want????
He meant burst heal, but I'm pretty sure you know that.
No, not at any point was burst heal mentioned only self heal, either way magblade has a lot of heals, 1 of the things it CAN actually do!
Which is fine in PVE, but if you don't have a solid burst heal in PVP you're dead — especially with the constant stream of new stamina sets providing more & more burst damage.
So itsa L2P issue? (BTW magblade is in a bad place so im not defending the way magnb plays)
What sets are you talking about btw?
No, I don't think it's a "L2P issue." Damage in the game has risen substantially while at the same time magblade HOTs have gotten worse. With the amount of burst available to stamina classes, playing a light armor magblade relying solely on HOTs is just not viable in PVP — especially considering how much better the overall healing is on pretty much every class, and the fact that these classes with better healing also have stackable/delayed burst combos. So they can heal through your [complex & difficult to land] burst, and then turn around and curb stomp you by pressing 3 or 4 buttons.
As far as what sets, hop on the PTS & check them out. Below are 3 examples from just 20 minutes or so of playing around with a few different combinations — I'm sure you could get better numbers if you put more thought into it than I did. Do you think ZOS was thinking of damage/penetration numbers this high over a year ago when they nerfed the healing on magblades? Somehow I doubt it.(I had CP on this toon, btw.)
I agree with you, but one big thing you’re overlooking is buffing weapon/spell damage isn’t just buffing damage, it’s a buff to healing as well.
By buffing weapon/spell damage like they are they’re buffing classes that scale best with that stat. Here’s how I see the new sets playing out:
Stronger damage and healing:
Magplar and Stam
Relatively weaker because max mag:
MagWarden and Magsorc
Relatively weaker because of reliance on pen:
Magblade
The overall winners are stamina, all their healing scales with weapon damage instead of health, and will be getting some crazy vigor and rally tooltips... like 5k vigor crits with battle spirit already applied.
Without a strong spell power based self heal mag will fall further behind then they are now. What’s being buffed up the wazoo is 5 medium.
This may sound like a derail, but lacking a spell power based heal will make many mag specs/classes uncompetitive. Rapid regen being a self heal would allow mag to keep competing. Almost all health based heals are going to suck.Edited by Iskiab on February 16, 2020 12:47AMLooking for any guildies I used to play with:
Havoc Warhammer - Alair
LoC EQ2 - Mayi and Iskiab
PRX and Tabula Rasa - Rift - Iskiab
Or anyone else I used to play games with in guilds I’ve forgotten0