Why isn't there a weekly leaderboards for 4man content?

Somber97866 · February 2020

Like make 2 sections too. Like non dlc dungeon leaderboards and then make Dlc dungeon leaderboards.
The non dlc will earn less transmute than the Dlc. Plus be able to earn Gold gear out of

VaranisArano · February 2020

Because those dungeons are considerably easier than vet trials?

I mean, who's really going to compete for the leaderboard of vet Fungal Grotto 1?

Starlock · February 2020

You're missing a few sections. You'd need boards for 4woman content and mixed groups too.

(yes, I'm going to be that person)

tmbrinks · February 2020

There's no scoring system for any of those... how do you propose they do a leaderboard?

D0PAMINE · February 2020

VaranisArano wrote: »

Because those dungeons are considerably easier than vet trials?

I mean, who's really going to compete for the leaderboard of vet Fungal Grotto 1?

LOL. That would be kinda funny imo.

Aliyavana · February 2020

VaranisArano wrote: »

Because those dungeons are considerably easier than vet trials?

I mean, who's really going to compete for the leaderboard of vet Fungal Grotto 1?

Fg1 is the hardest content this game has to offer

phermitgb · February 2020

I'm assuming there's no leaderboard for 4 man dungeon content because developers don't see a strong enough need for or interest in one.

It's an assumption, to be sure, but it sure lines up with my own personal impression, which is having no need or interest for any leaderboards. Of any kind. For anything.

El_Borracho · February 2020

Aliyavana wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Because those dungeons are considerably easier than vet trials?

I mean, who's really going to compete for the leaderboard of vet Fungal Grotto 1?

Fg1 is the hardest content this game has to offer

Hahahaha. Round 2, the wily mudcrab.

RusevCrush · February 2020

Yes add leaderboards. Gives us something to do other than collect crystals. Don't care? Don't look. I don't see any real downside.

LordGavus · February 2020

I dont really see a need for it, but I'm not opposed to it either.

Just keep it mind that all except the latest dlc dungeons will just be 4 dps speed runs.

DraconicFalcon · February 2020

Well given with the difficulty of the latest DLC dungeons like Wrathstone and Scalebreaker, I'd say this could be a thing. Its not like leaderboards for 4 man content don't already exist (Dragonstar Arena and Blackrose Prison).

Somber97866 · February 2020

It'll give new players something easier to compete with.There are also players out there who can't even complete VMA. Much less fungal grotto 1 solo on Vet. There's nothing wrong with disagreeing with the idea. I'm just don't understand why you would. I know you see it as a waste of time.But there seems like some kind of hidden agenda against it.
Plus some of you act like you're going to actually have to do the work to make it happen. It makes me think that some of you really work for ZOS. Like your actual programmers on dummy accounts going through the forums and trying to head off different stuff you don't want to have to do at work. I mean seriously I wouldn't think anyone would have a problem with it. If it doesn't affect you then what's the concern for it and how could it hurt to have this?
I personally would enjoy going in and putting a score up during the week for some of these dungeons with the opportunity of getting more transmute crystals , gold items from dungeons sets and not having to go do PVP content to do it. Since that's where you earn transmute crystals the fastest. Especially some of the DLC 4 MAN dungeons.

butterrum222 · February 2020

I like the idea, a scoring system for vet dungeons.

blkjag · February 2020

It’s not needed

redspecter23 · February 2020

Something like FG1 may be extremely easy content, but that doesn't necessarily mean people wouldn't push for high scores or fast runs in that dungeon. Speed running is quite popular among many "easy" games as a way to add an extra element of challenge and competition. Sure, anyone can beat FG1 in 10 minutes, but can you do it in 4? Can you push it to 3:48? Some people would have an interest in that sort of thing.

thadjarvis · February 2020

tmbrinks wrote: »

There's no scoring system for any of those... how do you propose they do a leaderboard?

Shouldn’t be difficult. Eg
Vitality bonus of say 12: 500pt each; 4K bonus for no death = 0-10k points
HM: 15k points
Speed: 0 pts over an hour; 3pts for each second under an hour = 5.4k for 30min run

High scores would be in 30s
No death would be 10-15k
HM would be min 15k so with any other bonuses it would beat all nonHM. But a clean ND/SR would beat a messy HM (hour+, 4+ wipes)
Speed with some deaths would be 5-10kish

This would be a lot of fun and expand PvE played content. Maybe one DLC and one base game each week or even 2 of each. It would open up a whole new community focus on not just trials for tactics builds etc. That exists but it’s not really a focus.

Gold Rewards:
top X: monster, weapon, jewel, body
top Y: monster, weapon, jewel
Top z: monster, weapon
Rest on lb: monster

January1171 · February 2020

I really love this idea- it would incentivize people to run these dungeons

How would you propose factoring in people who solo the dungeons?

kringled_1 · February 2020

The existing 4 person content that has leaderboards (VDSA, vBRP) is not in the group finder, and group finder content does not have leaderboards. I can't imagine that pugging a dungeon and expecting a score run will go well on average.

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xenowarrior92eb17_ESO · February 2020

cuz this isn't ur regular Asian MMO where EVERY SINGLE ACTION you take must be rated S and with a timer so u basically need to quit if u dont score S+ and finish within 5 minutes.

Leogon · February 2020

Starlock wrote: »

You're missing a few sections. You'd need boards for 4woman content and mixed groups too.

(yes, I'm going to be that person)

Katahdin · February 2020

Dungeons are daily via pledges which already gives keys with more given for HM. Vet already gives the helm on completion.

Don't see the point of weekly rewards for a daily activity other than people just wanting gold stuff for completing content.

DLC dungeons could give more transmute stones since they are harder than base game dungeons but that's it.

idk · February 2020

There is a leaderboard for 4 man content. We have two 4 man arenas.

Essentially the leaderboards are for top tier content. That would be trials and arenas.

Agenericname · February 2020

redspecter23 wrote: »

Something like FG1 may be extremely easy content, but that doesn't necessarily mean people wouldn't push for high scores or fast runs in that dungeon. Speed running is quite popular among many "easy" games as a way to add an extra element of challenge and competition. Sure, anyone can beat FG1 in 10 minutes, but can you do it in 4? Can you push it to 3:48? Some people would have an interest in that sort of thing.

Where you would, or could rather, run into problems is when that dungeons is a pledge and a low CP shows up in a PUG and the other 3 want a scored run.

Arenas and trials aren't part of the RDF so they never really see this.

I think it would be fun, but if they didn't somehow separate it from the pledges it would be a mess at times.

r3turn2s3nd3r · February 2020

Agenericname wrote: »

Where you would, or could rather, run into problems is when that dungeons is a pledge and a low CP shows up in a PUG and the other 3 want a scored run.

I highly doubt a group that is interested in a leaderboard run is going to fill the group out with someone from activity finder. It would be counter productive to the reason for running it for leaderboard. How many times have you seen a pug'd group out of zone chat on leaderboards for vdsa or vbrp?

Agenericname · February 2020

r3turn2s3nd3r wrote: »

Agenericname wrote: »

Where you would, or could rather, run into problems is when that dungeons is a pledge and a low CP shows up in a PUG and the other 3 want a scored run.

I highly doubt a group that is interested in a leaderboard run is going to fill the group out with someone from activity finder. It would be counter productive to the reason for running it for leaderboard. How many times have you seen a pug'd group out of zone chat on leaderboards for vdsa or vbrp?

I've been in PUG trial groups for the craglorn trials. You don't have to be the top.

Edit for clarification; PUGs who intention was placing on the leader boards.

r3turn2s3nd3r · February 2020

Agenericname wrote: »

I've been in PUG trial groups for the craglorn trials. You don't have to be the top.

Edit for clarification; PUGs who intention was placing on the leader boards.

Fair enough, guess it depends on your definition of 'leaderboarding'. For some, that definition will be 'To be as far up the leaderboard as possible' and for others I guess 'We just slipped in at the bottom onto the leaderboard' works. Groups in the former aren't going to pug someone.

redspecter23 · February 2020

Agenericname wrote: »

redspecter23 wrote: »

Something like FG1 may be extremely easy content, but that doesn't necessarily mean people wouldn't push for high scores or fast runs in that dungeon. Speed running is quite popular among many "easy" games as a way to add an extra element of challenge and competition. Sure, anyone can beat FG1 in 10 minutes, but can you do it in 4? Can you push it to 3:48? Some people would have an interest in that sort of thing.

Where you would, or could rather, run into problems is when that dungeons is a pledge and a low CP shows up in a PUG and the other 3 want a scored run.

Arenas and trials aren't part of the RDF so they never really see this.

I think it would be fun, but if they didn't somehow separate it from the pledges it would be a mess at times.

If I were doing a scored run and actually used the group finder, that's on me. Going for top scores with puglets is just asking for trouble. If it were me, I would just disable score runs if used with the group finder and force players to use premades with pickups from zone if needed. Anyone thinking they can compete with full premades with the group finder doesn't understand the point of scored runs to begin with.

Agenericname · February 2020

redspecter23 wrote: »

Agenericname wrote: »

redspecter23 wrote: »

Something like FG1 may be extremely easy content, but that doesn't necessarily mean people wouldn't push for high scores or fast runs in that dungeon. Speed running is quite popular among many "easy" games as a way to add an extra element of challenge and competition. Sure, anyone can beat FG1 in 10 minutes, but can you do it in 4? Can you push it to 3:48? Some people would have an interest in that sort of thing.

Where you would, or could rather, run into problems is when that dungeons is a pledge and a low CP shows up in a PUG and the other 3 want a scored run.

Arenas and trials aren't part of the RDF so they never really see this.

I think it would be fun, but if they didn't somehow separate it from the pledges it would be a mess at times.

If I were doing a scored run and actually used the group finder, that's on me. Going for top scores with puglets is just asking for trouble. If it were me, I would just disable score runs if used with the group finder and force players to use premades with pickups from zone if needed. Anyone thinking they can compete with full premades with the group finder doesn't understand the point of scored runs to begin with.

You wouldn't need to compete. You just need to place to get the rewards. If you need a vMA or Master bow, 75th place is fine. Whatever reward they set for these would likely be the same.

I'm talking more about people who weren't interested in score runs and found themselves with others who insisted on it. If they disabled it for the RDF, that would be fine. If they just off sets the cycle that would work as well.

thadjarvis · February 2020

Agree that LB could and probably would make dungeon finder groups more caustic. Simple solution to that though: group finder runs can’t get scores.

I think the general idea is nice for intermediates and those newer to vet content that want more experience and challenge as it can be hard for those players to find good trial groups.