What are your plans now that Iceheart isn't as viable?

January1171
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I am very much the definition of a mid-tier player. There is content I can solo, I'm slowly getting better, but ESO is also my first MMO and I'm not awesome at combat. I don't think I've ever even tried running a vet-DLC dungeon.

As such, I've relied heavily on Iceheart as I've learned how to play the game. It's kept me alive in situations where I don't have the dps to burn things down. So- what are your plans now that Iceheart is gonna be half as usable now? I'm really not sure how I'm gonna stay alive.
  • nsmurfer
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    This is exactly why they nerfed Iceheart. They don't want a set to allow average players to survive scenarios, where anything else but raw skill will get them killed. Same reason why shields were nerfed in the first place(the healer BS they said was just PR talk)
  • xWarbrain
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    nsmurfer wrote: »
    This is exactly why they nerfed Iceheart. They don't want a set to allow average players to survive scenarios, where anything else but raw skill will get them killed. Same reason why shields were nerfed in the first place(the healer BS they said was just PR talk)

    Isn't this the opposite of the direction they've been going though? Most of the changes are for the newer / average player, not the more skilled / experienced player.


    For OP - Try another defensive set like Troll King (next to be nerfed, watch) or Bloodspawn. Even better, try getting away from defensive and go with something like Grothdaar. You might find that you need to play less defense if you're able to kill things quicker.
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    Your nerf suggestion is dumb. Learn to counter other players instead of having the game rebuilt to your ability level.
  • CMDR_Un1k0rn
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    Adapt.

    The decision has been made.

    Not really anything we can do about it.
    In-game username: Un1korn | Happy member of the PCNA UESP guild (Resident Daggerfall Covenant enjoyer) | Main & basically only character: Crucian Vulpin, Imperial Dragonknight of the Daggerfall Covenant, and Undaunted Bulwark (I tank) | Mountain bike enjoyer and vulpine appreciator | If you know me from PCEU: No | To ZOS: THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME BRING MY HORSE INTO BATTLE!
  • Stebarnz
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    Need to know your class, mag or stam and cp so I can help you, there is always a way.
  • remilafo
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    iceheart is just "One" method to get shields on your character. It is not the only way and in fact it is not the best way.

    Infused weapon with shielding enchant matches iceheart in strength. Add torugs pact in there for some awesome 5.5K shields every 3s..

    Also shielding in not always the best choice, other defensive sets or healing sets are just as good. Just do a bit of research and you will see..

    Finally, iceheart got a bit of nerf but it is far from useless. You will still find it useful.
  • FierceSam
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    Hey January,

    You aren’t your gear. If you’re able to solo content (and I’m assuming you mean dungeons), you’re skilled enough to not need a crutch like Iceheart.

    The best thing I can suggest is to try and start doing content with a regular set of people and working together to make sure that your various set ups and skills complement one another. You’d be surprised how much more effective you can be as a dps, if you were to maximise your damage output, while working with a healer and tank who you know will have your back, protect you from the bosses, buff you, heal you and combine with your synergies. You will wonder why on earth you relied so long on a set that is fundamentally so defensive.

    With vet DLC dungeons, they are a step up. But it’s nothing to be afraid of. You will die. Probably quite a lot while you’re getting the hang of them. But again the trick is to go with a group of players you feel comfortable with and enjoy the feeling of slowly mastering the dungeon. No one does a vet speed no death HM run on their first go. The first time I did vDoM I was with some excellent players and we spent an hour dying to the spewing first boss before we beat him. 2 hours after that we all had our Meridian skins.

    Try life after Iceheart - go get Grothdar’s or Valkyn Skoria or Selene’s and see how they can change your game. You’ll realise that Iceheart wasn’t your friend, but a hat that was holding you back.

    Good luck and have fun
  • Kalik_Gold
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    Dunno, never used it as a set. Only have the Helm banked.
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    Ras Kalik a Redguard Templar, the Vestige

    PvP Pure-class:
    Goliath of Hammerfell a Redguard Dragonknight
    Jux Blackheart a Redguard Nightblade
    Aurik Siet'ka a Redguard Necromancer
    Cacique the Sage of Ius a Redguard Warden
    Kaotik Von Dae'mon a Redguard* Sorcerer

    PvP: Subclassed or Specialty
    Movárth Piquine a Nord Vampiric Necromancer (Tank)
    Voa a Priest of Sep a Redguard* Necromancer (Healer)
    Tsar af-Bomba a Redguard Vampiric Nightblade (Bomber)
    Two-Big-Horns an Argonian Arcanist /Sorcerer
    Uri Ice-Heart the Twin a Nord Vampiric Warden (Ice-Theme)

    PvE:
    Cinan Tharn an Imperial Dragonknight (Tank)
    Herzog Zwei the Genesis an Akavari* Templar (Healer)
    Bates Vesuius of Dawnstar an Redguard** Dragonknight (Raid Damage) --- Name change needed

    PvE: Specialty
    Tyrus Septim an Imperial Sorcerer (Dungeon Damage)
    Tav'i at-Shinji a Redguard** Warden (Arenas)
    Lucky Hunch the Gambler - a Redguard Nightblade (Thief)

    Leveling...
    Styx of Akatosh a Goblin*** Arcanist --- Race change needed
    Zenovia at-Tura a Redguard** Lycan Sorcerer
    Yesi af-Kalik a Redguard Templar
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    ***Argonian




    __________________________Backstories:_________________________

    Ras Kalik the Vestige, a renown Redguard warrior; He has been blessed to save Tamriel from Molag Bal’s destructive Planemeld while reuniting the Five Companions. His further accomplishments after defeating Molag Bal, has been to stop the destruction of Morrowind, the Clockwork City, return order to the isle of Summerset and create a new king in Wrothgar and a queen in Elsywer. These events have made him a living legend and continue to lead him into new adventures throughout Tamriel, as well as into the hearts of many ladies including the Elf Queen, Aryenn. Over many years of adventurous travels, Ras Kalik had become a loner, until he re-visited his homeland of Alik'r.

    Alik'r and it's cities were overrun by the undead Ra-Netu and therefore he made an allegiance with Alik'r's own Ash'abah tribe. These Ash'abah with his help, cleansed the city of Sentinel in Alik'r desert and it's surrounding areas of the undead brought to life by the Withered Hand. After rescuing Sentinel from the undead zombies, King Fahara’jad’s personal bodyguard the Goliath of Hammerfell, who was given this name by Imperials in the region; was asked to assist the tribe after learning of the defeat of the Withered Hand to the Ash'abah. Kalik promised Goliath he would task him with fighting living enemies on the battlefield if he so desired. Goliath being a Yokudan warrior wields a massive sword in respect to the Ansei, a gift given by the Imperial, Cinan Tharn. Not many soldiers are able to wield double two handed weapons, but Goliath loves to get up and personal in a fight, so he also carries a giant maul, both weapons laced with magical flames.

    Jux Blackheart is a master thief that masquerades as a Bard at the Sisters of the Sands inn, with his younger sidekick Lucky Hunch for pilfering and gambling during this time. Jux was known to infiltrate any towns bank vault he came across and even delved into Ayelid ruins without detection. Kalik can vividly recall the night he met the famed thief. Jux found himself rummaging thru a slightly inebriated Kalik’s pocket for too long, on a full-mooned night and because of his greed and the glimmer of his golden armor in the moonlight. He lost his left pinky fingertip as a lesson! But in return, he gained a new friend, as it was his first time since a child being caught red-handed...

    Upon arrival back in the Alik'r after many moons of adventuring, Ras Kalik ventures to Bergama. Visiting The Winking Jackal, he runs into Jux Blackheart, who introduces him to the coin game Crowns vs Forebearers (Heads vs Tails) and Golden Dwemer (RBG).... Jux constantly takes gold from the unfortunate thru theft or gambling, his biggest gambling victim is actually his partner in crime known as Lucky Hunch the Gambler. Lucky doesn't mind losing any gold coins to Jux... as Jux saved him from Altmer slavers in Summerset, by stealing a key and sending him on a boat to the mainland years prior. Lucky spent years in slavery with Khajiits in Summerset and picked up the art of subterfuge, using illusion magic disguises and stealing there.

    Kaotik Von’Daemon an outcast, and a half-caste between a Breton mother and a Redguard father. Kaotik become a pariah due to his conjuration of Daedra pets. He was taught healing magic during his childhood years by his Breton mother. His father due to Redguard customs exiled him from the desert, sending him by wagon caravan to be a soldier in the war in Cyrodiil. He happened to meet Kalik while traveling from Alik'r, during this long caravan ride the caravan he was in was ambushed in Bangkorai by a group of bandits. Kalik by chance was also traveling thru this area on his Auridon Warhorse (which was bestowed to him by his friend, Darien Gautier). During this ambush, Kalik was able to rescue five hostages from the bandits. Kaotik was the first rescued, and Ras Kalik also recruited him to be in the Ash'abah tribe. These core Ash'abah tribesmen may never be seen together in travel as they partake in their own adventures but they always know what each other is doing; as they frequent a hideout in northern Bankorai. Their hideout an old Orc castle ruin, is kept watch by Nuzhimeh and she passes messages written between them, and frequently they also enjoy her company and her bed.

    The other men rescued were a Dunmer banker, an Imperial mercenary and two other soldiers, an Imperial and a Breton Knight, stating proudly he was an Akavir descendent. One of the Imperials, Cinan, claimed to be related to Abnur Tharn the Battlemage of the Imperial Elder Council (One of Ras Kalik's mentors in the Five Companions). Cinan Tharn was really Abnur's drunkard treasure hunting illegitimate son. He was caught smuggling artifacts out of the Ayleid ruins in Cyrodiil and the elder of the two Imperials was Tyrus Septim a retired Imperial navy battle-mage (now a Lycan mercenary living in the city of Rimmen) and guard to the Tharn family. As much as Abnur Tharn hated his half-sister Euraxia, he dislikes his bas†ard son Cinan more. Tyrus now a ruffian and privateer had been paid by Abnur Tharn to watch over Cinan as much as possible. Cinan Tharn a drunkard, loves to drink at least a quarter barrel of Nord mead before he raids various delves and dungeons for relics to sell on the black market. Cinan also plans to one day, run an illegal gambling ring... which he thinks will net him more gold for his wares.

    The Dunmer captive shackled to the Imperials looked familiar to Kalik from his time in Morrowind.... and he recognized him as Tythis Andromo a House Telvanni slave-owner and banker from Vvardenfell. During a rough interrogation to Tythis, Ras Kalik learnt why the bandits accosted him. The racist Dunmer was providing slaves as soldiers for the Three Banner War. The bandits were trying to negotiate a lucrative ransom for Andromo and the Imperials.... Kalik did not need any of this gold and he could never set Tythis free as he did with the two Imperial soldiers. His past involvement with slavery and war crimes, made Kalik's blood boil. He chose not to execute Tythis, as he figured the worse punishment for this former rich and opulent slave owner, is to now be an imprisoned servant for Ras Kalik and the tribe.

    Herzog Zwei the Genesis a reknown Imperial/Akavirri battle-mage. His roots going back to Akavir through his mother’s bloodline. (His mother is descended from the Akaviri, through Versidue-Shae, and his Imperial father met her in Hakoshae, while traveling) Herzog earned the nickname "the Genesis" from his father as a child, as he was his mother's first born child, and last, as she tragically died in child-birth.

    Herzog was seeking to purchase an artifact from Cinan Tharn, before their capture and was meeting Tyrus while in Rimmen, who introduced him to Cinan. This artifact being the Ayelid artifact; the sword Sinweaver. After their rescue and the exchange of gold to Cinan for the sword he decided to slip away before Ras Kalik could question who he was, and why the Akavir descendant really wanted that sword. Herzog was headed to Nagastani — An Ayleid ruin in eastern Cyrodiil. He had read in scrolls that the Sword would give him magical powers to meet his mothers spirit, if he performed an Ayleid ritual at an old shrine hidden there. Equipped with the artifact sword, he was off to start his own adventure but Ras Kalik, did indeed notice the sword however and instead sent a letter to Jux Blackheart (whom also was interested in Ayleid treasures), to attempt to find Herzog and acquire the sword. (*Azani Blackheart in Elder Scroll's Oblivion is Jux's descendant some 747 years later)

    And so the Redguard, Imperial and Akaviri men parted ways ... While Ras Kalik went off to Elsweyr to encounter the latest threat to Tamriel, with Abnur Tharn and Sai Sahan - - DRAGONS!! Little did Ras Kalik know a few people were awaiting him in Senchal besides Sai. A necromancer survived his attack on the Withered Hand, while in Alik'r. The necromancer known as Auriek Siet'ka is also following him to the land of the Khajiits and Cacique the Sage of Ius a Shaman mystic who has become attuned spiritually with Tu'whacca (a Redguard God) and Ius (the Animal God), after being burned severely by the escaped dragons in Elsywer, is awaiting his arrival also. Aurik is a soldier of the Daggerfall Covenant that was introduced to necromancy while in the military, even though this magicka art is not spoken of openly by most of the Military leaders. He came to Alik'r and worked with the Withered Hand before Ras Kalik intervened on their plans. After the defeat of the Withered Hand, he aligned with the Worm Cult, and is constantly adapting and perfecting his necromantic arts.

    After his journey to Rimmen, Kalik heads south to Senchal, in the southern regions of Elyswer. This new adventure will also put him on a path to meet a strange Redguard man. The stranger which was infected with an untreated Peyrite disease and also was the exiled from the Order of the New Moon cult, due to his sickness. He originally joined the cult to worship Laatvulon, the green dragon, mistakenly thinking it was the Daedric prince Peyrite. This confused and suffering cultist is known as Tsar al-Bomba and he is on a path to spread the disease. He was originally infected in Orccrest while recruiting members there. Can Ras Kalik and the shaman Cacique cure this poor soul, only time will tell. Little does Tsar al-Bomba know, that his infection is tied to Vampirism, and eventually the desire for blood will take over his mind. Senchal also offers Kalik his latest love interest... Aeliah. Whom he fondly led thru battles with the Dragonguard.

    After the trek thru the heat, tropical and desert climate of Northern and Southern Elyswer, Ras Kalik heads north to the cold mountain range of Skyrim. His companion friend Lyris beckons for him with a letter sent by crow...

    Movárth Piquine - a former vampire hunter (now infected), within the Fighter's Guild (and a secretive necromancer) was in Skyrim working with the Morthaal Guard. On a patrol mission he was caught in Frewien's ice curse outside of Morthaal with the frozen undead. Movárth's vampiric infection kept him from becoming an undead minion to the curse. He was able to use necromantic ice-magic to encase himself safely until he was freed with Freiwen, when the Vestige Ras Kalik broke the curse.

    Uri Ice-Heart - brother of Urfon Ice-Heart. The twin sons of Atli and Oljourn Ice-Heart. The Ice-Heart family are originally from Markarth but now reside on the Jerall Mountain range near Cyrodiil, with their younger sister Araki. The twins had joined the Winterborn Reachmen while living in Markarth. Urfon pushed west to Orsinium with the Winterborn Clan, leaving his family behind. Uri stayed behind with his parents and sister to live in the family cabin for safety, avoiding the Vampire plague infiltrating the Reach. After news reaches him and he hears of Urfon's death... Uri leaves and heads home and is seeking vengeance. Meanwhile, his sister has also moved on to Windhelm to join the Fighter's guild. He will visit his sister, once before going to seek vengeance and she will craft him armor mixed with ice, called Stalhrim armor. Uri fearing death, after his brother's passing, falls victim to the convincing talk of Movárth at a Nordic tavern, and will also becomes a vampire.

    {time moves forward through the hour-glass}
    PS5/NA - Ras Kalik a Redguard Templar - Daggerfall Covenant
  • Tommy_The_Gun
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    Tbh. it is not a problem for me. I never actually used Iceheart. Proc conditions kinda scared me away.
    But it for sure sucks that they nerfed it.
    I know how it feels like, because I went through this. My main is Argonian NB hybrid, and I builded for WW. So pretty much all of those things that I use, took a heavy nerf last year. In short - last year almost made me quit the bloody game... :disappointed:
  • oxygen_thief
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    i dont care i have never used it
  • tonyblack
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    Only used it for vma runs, in any other content it feels like a waste of set. Just slot selfheal (surge, dark cloak+swallow soul, honor the dead+ritual of retribution, etc) or shield and you will be fine. If I ever return to vma again (probably I will for event) I would try combat physician it doesn’t look that bad now.
  • agegarton
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    I am very much the definition of a mid-tier player. There is content I can solo, I'm slowly getting better, but ESO is also my first MMO and I'm not awesome at combat. I don't think I've ever even tried running a vet-DLC dungeon.

    As such, I've relied heavily on Iceheart as I've learned how to play the game. It's kept me alive in situations where I don't have the dps to burn things down. So- what are your plans now that Iceheart is gonna be half as usable now? I'm really not sure how I'm gonna stay alive.

    I think you've got some really good suggestions here (see @xWarbrain; @Stebarnz; @remilafo; @FierceSam), along with some plain stupid responses that you should just ignore (why do these people spend time on here just to write BS?).

    I'll add one thing: PTS is not finished yet and while it's unlikely, there is a chance that the nerfs to Iceheart will be reversed before U25 goes live. And as someone else said, although the set got knocked a bit, it doesn't look like the worst nerf in history and the set will still be useful.

    If you need people to run with in-game and you're not already in a decent guild, by all means DM me and I'll help you find one (NA or EU).

    Good luck!
  • Kadoin
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    Push more damage and sustain, that is what ZOS wanted right? :D
  • SpacemanSpiff1
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    I won't change anything. I'll still have Iceheart locked safely away in storage.

    Edit: I'll add that I don't support the nerf. Just another in a long line of unnecessary changes.
    Edited by SpacemanSpiff1 on February 11, 2020 3:50PM
  • SidraWillowsky
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    agegarton wrote: »
    I am very much the definition of a mid-tier player. There is content I can solo, I'm slowly getting better, but ESO is also my first MMO and I'm not awesome at combat. I don't think I've ever even tried running a vet-DLC dungeon.

    As such, I've relied heavily on Iceheart as I've learned how to play the game. It's kept me alive in situations where I don't have the dps to burn things down. So- what are your plans now that Iceheart is gonna be half as usable now? I'm really not sure how I'm gonna stay alive.

    I think you've got some really good suggestions here (see @xWarbrain; @Stebarnz; @remilafo; @FierceSam), along with some plain stupid responses that you should just ignore (why do these people spend time on here just to write BS?).

    I'll add one thing: PTS is not finished yet and while it's unlikely, there is a chance that the nerfs to Iceheart will be reversed before U25 goes live. And as someone else said, although the set got knocked a bit, it doesn't look like the worst nerf in history and the set will still be useful.

    If you need people to run with in-game and you're not already in a decent guild, by all means DM me and I'll help you find one (NA or EU).

    Good luck!

    The patch we got yesterday is the last one we're going to get before U25, unfortunately. And IMO this IS one of the worst nerfs I've seen- why even use it now?

    Re. my plans- I'm honestly too afraid to talk about what else works for me out of fear that it'll get the nerf hammer...
  • JamuThatsWho
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    Dust off the trusty Valkyn Skoria set.
    @JamuThatsWho - PC EU - CP2100

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    Vasiir-jo - Khajiit Magicka Necromancer, AD

    Alts:
    Sul-Mael Hlarothran - Dunmer Magicka Sorcerer, EP

    Ushaar-Ixaht - Argonian Magicka Nightblade, DC

    Rorbakh gro-Khraag - Orc Stamina Templar, AD

    Anduuroon - Altmer Magicka Warden, EP

    Travanius Braelia - Imperial Stamina Dragonknight, DC

    Daeralon - Bosmer Stamina Arcanist, AD
  • Mitrenga
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    Adapt, and then wait 'til the Greymoor chapter comes. I'm pretty sure there will be a lot of build options once the new Antiquities System hits the servers.
  • Odovacar
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    Nothing...it's just another nerf.
  • SodanTok
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    My plan in scenario where I was using Iceheart to succeed in content I couldnt without it would be to not do such content or try improve thru more active means (improve dps, use shields, heals, blocks and dodges better) but well thats just me, some people prefer complaining and demanding content difficulty nerfs or build buffs handouts.
    Edited by SodanTok on February 11, 2020 4:07PM
  • Konstant_Tel_Necris
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    Dust off the trusty Valkyn Skoria set.

    It's going nerfed too, by some reason ZOS decide that's sets must not proc it as well there must be fewer chances to proc Skoria in trash packs.
  • Starlock
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    I'll do the same thing I always do - chuckle at the people who go on about such and such being "not viable" and keep using it anyway. It'll still work perfectly fine, and it's part of the character's design. "Not viable" my arse...
  • Chrysa1is
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    Adapt.

    The decision has been made.

    Not really anything we can do about it.

    Lol
  • colossalvoids
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    There was not that much places where it was my helmet of choice but if no further changes occure it will stay same
  • Raisin
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    The plan: Equip pure DPS Set. Nuke things, die more, blame healer.
  • krachall
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    Semi-related Iceheart story.

    As I posted previously, I just completed my first vMA after 2+ years of on-and-off attempts. I was stuck on Stage 5 for, literally, years. I would try for a day or two then give up for months. I also insisted on completing on my main, a stamblade.

    Last week I finally got serious about it. I grabbed Iceheart and in a long push over two days, completed my first one. I then went back in and immediately completed it again in a few hours. Yesterday, i started my third attempt. I made it to Stage 4 before dying for the first time. It was then that I noticed I had forgotten to equip Iceheart...
  • Parrot1986
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    Will keep using it now the cooldown has reverted. 3k shield loss isn’t terrible especially if have psijic 5k shield using ele weapon. Might mean need to cast own shield more often but don’t see that a major issue.
  • snoozy
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    change my profile picture to iceheart for more visibility and wait whether they are really gonna go through with this and how much more backlash they need to revert this unnecessary change. :#

    sure, i'll adapt, but at what price?

    #SaveIceheart
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  • pelle412
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    My plans remain unchanged, as I've never used Iceheart. Did the content with other helms instead including flawless vMA.
  • tmbrinks
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    Personally, have only used 1 pc Iceheart, for a double crit setup (with Zaan's 1 pc), so no change for me.
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  • EvilAutoTech
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    I have a set in a chest in my house. It has been patiently waiting for me to level my Nord Warden. D'oh!
    Edited by EvilAutoTech on February 11, 2020 7:15PM
  • thadjarvis
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    Slot a shield (I often used IH with decent healers as only defense roll dodging if shield was down). Potentially use class HoT as well or just run class burst heal without shield. Basically pretty standard stuff of one or two skills: shield, HoT, burst.

    Offensive monster slot options I’ll use (already used over IH most of time anyway):
    Grothdaar, Zaan, 2pc crit, or Asylum staff depending on application

    Semi-Defensive option:
    Grundulf for dodging/higher max stat food

    For pure defense, I prefer TK combined with an ally HoT-like skill: ritual, lotus, leeching, spirit, funnel, cauterize, etc. Great for 3 DPS runs if some off heals are needed.

    I don’t but some players use Chudan, 1pc resist/1pc crit, or 2pc resist.

    If you get enough procs on BS to be considered reliably defensive in PvE, you’re probably getting hit way too much. Maybe maybe when accompanying a newer tank on their first vBRP run.
    Edited by thadjarvis on February 11, 2020 7:51PM
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