Bone Pirate vs. Battlefield Acrobat?

Raudgrani · April 2019

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

I recently came back to this set again and I must say, If your playstyle involves a lot of block casting, bash cancelling, running around and just smashing a lot of buttons like morrowind never happened , this set is better than bone pirate.

The more skills you spam the more value you get out of this.

I tried it on a StamDK with S&B/Bow, which involved blocking and block casting, and a good bit of running and dodge rolling. Bone Pirate wasn't even close. Could run this on Acrobat, but not Bone Pirate. The tiny magicka pool (for wings, primarily) felt a bit less tiny as well. Not a biggie there, but still.

susmitds · April 2019

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

I recently came back to this set again and I must say, If your playstyle involves a lot of block casting, bash cancelling, running around and just smashing a lot of buttons like morrowind never happened , this set is better than bone pirate.

The more skills you spam the more value you get out of this.

Exactly my point. For example, on my StamNB, I am either Cloaking, rolling or executing quick combos or sprinting to LoS. Especially on StamNB, both resource sustain is equally important. This makes it one of my favourite StamNB sets.

Ragnarock41 · April 2019

@Raudgrani , @susmitds I must note that my trial was limited to no-CP only, where I thought this set made the most sense.

For CP my sustain feels so high that I simply don't need any sustain sets. But again, no-CP, medium armor SnB, I had some great 1vX/2vX moments happened thanks to the additional sustain from this set. Sometimes sustain matters more than hitting harder, and in those moments this set is clearly very strong.

Oh, lastly I must add, that cost reduction is amazing on corrosive armor.

Raudgrani · April 2019

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

@Raudgrani , @susmitds I must note that my trial was limited to no-CP only, where I thought this set made the most sense.

For CP my sustain feels so high that I simply don't need any sustain sets. But again, no-CP, medium armor SnB, I had some great 1vX/2vX moments happened thanks to the additional sustain from this set. Sometimes sustain matters more than hitting harder, and in those moments this set is clearly very strong.

Oh, lastly I must add, that cost reduction is amazing on corrosive armor.

Yes, as it affects all from run, block and dodge cost, to magicka/stamina skills and ultimate costs - it has indeed a place in certain builds. For a slow meatgrinder type of StamDK, it's really good. At least my StamDK playstyle is like torturing people to death with DOT's, and eventually ulti bursting them if necessary. I believe a stamblade could benefit from it too, as you have a limited amount of magicka, and as your sneak cost will be reduced too. Some stamblades (including myself), has habit of being in sneak a bit too much when it's not even necessary. So, it helps there too.

Some people say it ain't worth it, "you lose so much by wearing a set like that". Might be true, but it's a good way of making some builds viable. Another such set is Prisoner's Rags. That works very well on a StamDK too, as well as on a werewolf (everyone knows that last part, but anyway).

IAVITNI · April 2019

Been running this on on a stamDK for a while, medium dw/2h bleed build for fun. I also run bi stat food to get my health where I want it and a little more max stam. Artaeum is also a great choice but doesn't work for my specific setup.

Running the exact same build with bone pirate+dubious, I find the sustain to be superior to bone pirate simply because I have much better corrosive uptime. This means more sustain from battle roar (also mitigates Battle roars weakness of saving ulti to a minor extent) and less need to cast defensive abilities along with greater pressure. As far as stam DK goes, I'd recommend BA over BP.

I'm also Argonian (This dk was meant to be a PvE tank but never happened) and I've found I can actually block for a lot longer than I thought I would. I'd say pairing this with imperial would be ideal. Not for the cost reductions but the tri sustain passive. I was perma blocking in a few duels using dual wield and my sustain didn't suffer

cjhhickman39 · April 2019

And now with the drink nerfs on the way?

juhislihis19 · April 2019

cjhhickman39 wrote: »

And now with the drink nerfs on the way?

They didn't nerf the Dubious recovery..?

Alucardo · April 2019

juhislihis19 wrote: »

cjhhickman39 wrote: »

And now with the drink nerfs on the way?

They didn't nerf the Dubious recovery..?

No, just the max stam and health. Recovery is the same

Davadin · April 2019

Alucardo wrote: »

juhislihis19 wrote: »

cjhhickman39 wrote: »

And now with the drink nerfs on the way?

They didn't nerf the Dubious recovery..?

No, just the max stam and health. Recovery is the same

Correct.

They nerfed the drink, but left the recovery part.

so sad. that's my one drink for pvp.

Dardas · April 2019

I currently use bone pirate for my stamina templar in PVP, but I never knew about Battlefield Acrobat set.

Since I use an Imperial, and im a Templar, that means I already have 7% reduction of all skills due to race/class passives. This set would mean I would have a 13% reduction on all skills/abilities. Pretty good. I might have to try it out.

Lady_Linux · February 2020

SO i was reading in another thread that battlefield acrobat is something no one uses but it seems like it does have its uses after all. I'm thiking of how it benefits magicka users as stated above and how this would mix with seducer also and as the post above states with an imperial templar that seems rather svelte for sustain and cost reduction and such.

YandereGirlfriend · February 2020

I get a ton of gold Battlefield jewels from end-of-campaign rewards and have experimented with them on many different characters.

It is a nice set that lets Stamina users spam skills without giving much thought to resources and the reduction to block, roll, sprint, and ultimates are noticeable positives as well. It also allows you to use more creative potions (I like Armor & Health combo pots rather than Tripots).

I used to use it on my Orc stamSorc in non-CP Cyrodiil and am currently using it on a Breton magWarden support tank (S&S and Ice Staff) which allows me to spam both Magicka and Stamina abilities with impunity.

I do think it's suited more for non-CP Cyro and BG situations as CP environments simply give you so much free sustain that I'd probably prefer to run a damage set its stead.

starkerealm · February 2020

Dardas wrote: »

I currently use bone pirate for my stamina templar in PVP, but I never knew about Battlefield Acrobat set.

Since I use an Imperial, and im a Templar, that means I already have 7% reduction of all skills due to race/class passives. This set would mean I would have a 13% reduction on all skills/abilities. Pretty good. I might have to try it out.

I was about to say, "careful, cost discounts are multiplicative, so the real discount will be less than 13%, though the difference is mostly academic in this case."

Then I realized, you got in ahead of the most recent necro, and when you typed that, most discounts may have still been additive.

Yay, necromancy.

Raudgrani · February 2020

Mighty necromancy indeed. But anyway, yes Acrobat is not a bad set for sustain, but in the current meta I have a real problem to make a pure sustain set (unlike Bonepirate, which gives a good chunk of Stamina) work. Everyone is just so (d**n) tanky, and healing is through the roof. Many people seems to have infinite CC immunity too, and must practice dancing around rocks and trees for a living.

I would think twice before walking out on the field with anything less than 4.5k weapon damage, and/or really high penetration now. My best toon right now is a Stamden, with just below 7k wd, 7.5k pen (+ Maul). That one feels like a year or two ago, when you could actually just see some three average enemies, and just go "Yeah, I'm killing those guys" - and actually just whack them down in seconds, no 10 minutes of running around trees, waiting for them to run out of resources and mess up. Just plain forceful kills. I don't even engage the people I know who are rather impossible to kill. It just isn't fun anymore.

Max stat sets like Hulking Draugr, Alfiq, Necropotence, Bright-Throat etc. of course works too in the right builds, but running clever sustain sets like Battlefield Acrobat is a serious penalty for you now - unless you got quite some ace up your sleeve. You need to be pretty powerful to bring semi decent people down now.