Can someone from ZOS please explain to me why you've decided to completely ruin Nightblades?

Iskiab · February 2020

Faulgor wrote: »

NeillMcAttack wrote: »

I still meet v strong NB’s in no-cp, I’m fairly certain they just happen to be the class most effected by the inherent extra tankiness and extra health from having more cp. CP PvP sucks ass anyway imo. Play no-cp if your on a nb, you will have more fun.

Stamblades wreck me all the time in noCP Cyro. I mean, I suck, but I can still see against which classes I struggle the most, and I have developed an almost irrational hatred for their cloaking shenanigans.
Magblades on the other hand I haven't seen in forever. No, that's not a cloak joke.

What class? Usually they’re only a threat if you aren’t tanky enough or mounted, health desyncs from snipe can get you though.

rexagamemnon · February 2020

Because the only people who play nightblades are gankers who pick off low level characters just questing in cyrodill trying to mind their own business!!! 😂
In truth idk, nighthblades were never op except for pvp and now nobody plays them because they are on a level playing field with other classes in pvp which is the way t should have been all along. I remember 4years ago when like 45% were nightblades, 33%were sorcs(because they use crystal frags and spam unblockable attacks, and that makes you good at pvp....cough cough BS, cough cough) and the rest was split up between DK and Templars with more people going with DKs

FrankonPC · February 2020

ku5h wrote: »

While one of the best stamBlades in the game, who's been playing the class exclusively throughout many balance patches says stamBlade is in very good spot. Maybe it doesn't shine in group play, but in solo PvP it's top dog.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BX1gjyrgYuU&t=2069s
If you know this class to it's core like this guy, it's extremely potent, but most ppl don't so they think it underperform overall.

First of all,

I think Grim is a great player and definitely one of the best nightblades posting content on YT, no disagreement there. Stamblade is good solo for pug slaying, but it's not top dog by any means. You can ensure burst on more targets more reliably with stam dk, stamden, stamplar, stam necro, magplar, and mag sorc.

Although most of my gameplay is solo/duo pvp and my most played class is my 4 star stamina nightblade, I have an easier time playing in that environment with all of those classes listed above. Their class buffs and capabilities are lacking compared to most other class toolkits in the game rn.

Deathlord92 · February 2020

Faulgor wrote: »

NeillMcAttack wrote: »

I still meet v strong NB’s in no-cp, I’m fairly certain they just happen to be the class most effected by the inherent extra tankiness and extra health from having more cp. CP PvP sucks ass anyway imo. Play no-cp if your on a nb, you will have more fun.

Stamblades wreck me all the time in noCP Cyro. I mean, I suck, but I can still see against which classes I struggle the most, and I have developed an almost irrational hatred for their cloaking shenanigans.
Magblades on the other hand I haven't seen in forever. No, that's not a cloak joke.

Detect pots, mage light, camo hunter, aoes use any of these and if your even a half decent player you will kill those nbs my stamblade never loses to other nbs I instantly hit camo hunter if they cloak.

technohic · February 2020

Just from a perspective of playing against them, to me there are a lot of bad ones and you just look for them to try sniping you in the back when fighting a tankier player or another group, then turn and take them out.

Most die easy and do not bother to have an escape other than cloak and roll dodge so AOEs are enough.

Some are slightly better because they are a little fast so detect pots are required.

Decently good ones are just annoying to chase around as they will use shadow image and maybe even temporal guard (although I am amazed it works for some people. When I use it, it either moves me nowhere and/or roots me in place like I am stuck in a hole.)

I have only seen a couple that feel really dangerous and can really make the entire class shine and pick almost anyone off.

Then there are bombers, who the trick is, just stay away from squishy friendlies.

So they could use something. I'd be hesitant to up their gank potential, but the entire identity of the class IMO is to burst down a target and GTFO. Right now, there is so much healing that any class fighting someone decent at another class 1v1 is going to take forever. I was just in a fight with a guy, and it couldnt be more futile for both of us.

MartiniDaniels · February 2020

It's all about CP and no-CP.
CP nightblade direly needs buff to damage output and at the very least removal of cast time from incap/harvest.
In no-CP it is another story... absolutely another story. No free +20% to HP, much worse sustain in terms of break free and roll-dodge... all of this favors class which may freely disengage via shade+cloak.

olsborg · February 2020

stamblade doesnt deal enough pressure to the heavy meta, and dont have enough selfhealing to stand toe to tow to the heavy meta. Stamblade has mobility and sustain, but you cant kill anyone with that.

Iskiab · February 2020

Thing about NB is there’s a difference between the class and the player.

Playing my new 50 in BGs it’s crazy how different it is then higher MMR.

In lower MMR:
NBs are everywhere, bow/2H or bow/bow is popular, NBs don’t even heal themselves and it’s common to see people running around at 50% health like it’s a normal thing. I even had one BG where my team was 4 NBs which is crazy, on the weekend the NB population explodes

In higher MMR:
NBs are almost non-existent, the team that gets the NB loses pretty consistently, everyone’s experienced and if someone’s lower health they’ll heal themselves almost instantly

My point? I think most NBs are casual players who chose the class for solo play. Being squishy and ganking isn’t the class, it’s the player’s choice, there’s supposed to be a lot of ways to play a NB. I think it’s the nature of the game that makes NBs uncompetitive in high MMR because it’s a high healing and damage game, are NBs lack enough self healing to keep up with everyone else.

Langeston · February 2020

Kahnak wrote: »

So as I suspected, you have exactly ZERO knowledge regarding the premise of this entire thread. Why didn't you just admit that from the beginning?

You got that from a 'Hey, I'm enjoying the PvP event thread? Lol. This is coming from the person who has been playing a class for less than a year. Is this supposed to be some justification for evading (there's that word again) every criticism in my last post? Apparently, you're one of the big brains who believes you have to play football to have an opinion about football. I'm sure that will serve you well.

"Instead, you decide to get into this huge protracted debate about something you have openly admitted that you have little to no experience with."

Apparently, I 'play almost exclusively PvE' also means 'I've never PvPed before' where you come from. I've been playing NB for more than 11 months. Try again.

"How about this: you don't tell me how balanced/unbalanced PVP is, and I won't lecture you on how easy/difficult it is to fight monsters that stand in one spot the whole time. Sound fair?"

I'm telling you how balanced/unbalanced a class is. Don't worry, I don't think anyone is particularly afraid of you adding your bottomless insight to anything more nuanced than what you're busy having a tantrum about. You've demonstrated exactly how well informed you are by backtracking or evading every time someone else brings up a cogent point.

"This last one was my favorite. Here you are, condescendingly pointing out that another person ignored the fact that a given comment was "from a PVE perspective." Hmmm...now why does that seem familiar to me?"

You're going to accuse me of condescending? That's rich.

6. I didn't say ZOS ruined my life, I said they ruined the class. Please learn to read.

This is only controversial to people who don't know what they are talking about or are being intellectually dishonest — which one are you?

Seriously, the least self-aware person on the forums.

I don't understand what point you think you're making by screenshotting instances of me speaking about PvE. This must be another one if your sick gotcha's that keep falling flat.

(Oh, and before you say "BuT yOU dIdN't sAy pVP fROM tHE BEgInNinG:" I made that clarification 9 hours before you decided to jump into this thread and grace us with your steaming hot take.)

This is the funniest and most ironic thing I've read all day. Dude, the premise of your thread is literally a steaming hot take:

Can someone from ZOS please explain to me why you've decided to completely ruin Nightblades?

So, your projection aside, what was the point of this post? Just be honest: You didn't bother responding because you don't have any points left. You've made a hyperbolic argument, waved your arms around and you've got no other defense for it other than to attempt to dismiss my points with a bunch of irrelevant screenshots. You've done nothing but demonstrate that you're so salty you spent all night looking up my old posts on the forums. You're not arguing in good faith. You've simply come to the forums demanding that ZOS come change your diaper and powder your bottom. You know that ZOS isn't going to come to this thread for constructive criticism. You've created an entire thread because you needed someone to give you some attention. Now, you're so obsessed with me that you're looking up my posts in other threads. Beautiful.

Kahnak wrote: »

"If you have to be "one of the best stamBlades in the game, who's been playing the class exclusively throughout many balance patches" and "know this class to it's core" in order to be successful playing it, it sounds to me like that is the very definition of "underperforming."

No, that's the definition of an advanced class. Meaning: You have to be competent to be good. Someone who can't even count the amount of balance patches they have seen on one hand wouldn't know anything about that.

Let's see how that argument holds up if we apply it to gear quality:

"One of the best players in the game, someone who knows it's inner workings like the back of his hand, says blue gear is in a very good spot. This guy thrashes people that are using golded out gear all the time — blue gear in the right hands is extremely potent, you just need to know how to play with it."

Except, one of the best players in the game wouldn't advocate for blue gear for obvious reasons and they DID advocate for NB. How is this relevant if you can simply upgrade to Gold gear without whinging to ZOS about how badly they nerfed your feelings? Great job winning your own pointless argument, though.

I don't know about you, but that's not a particularly convincing argument to me. Personally, I think I'd still probably gold out my gear.

Oh, you're unrelated argument wasn't convincing? I'm shocked! Maybe because it wasn't a particularly compelling hypothetical to begin with.

You seem to have missed my point. I didn't go through your post with a fine-tooth comb & rebut it point by point for 3 reasons:

1. It's clear you're not going to understand where I'm coming from no matter how well I explain myself.
2. You're intellectually dishonest — even if you did understand, you'd just respond with another master-class on logical fallacies. (I can think of at least 3 types you've implemented off the top of my head, and you've made liberal use of each of them.)
3. You have about as much credibility as I would if I started trying to lecture you on class balance in vet trials (i.e. none) and continuing to "debate" over whether NBs are "woefully underpowered" or just "underpowered" in PVP serves no purpose.

Put quite simply: I have no interest in continuing this (or any) conversation with you. I didn't start this thread to argue with people who "play almost exclusively PvE" about how Nightblades are doing in endgame PVP. If you want to continue shouting into the wind, by all means go ahead. Count me out though, bro.

Oh, and as far as being "so obsessed with you that I'm looking up your posts in other threads" — it literally took me less than 25 seconds. All I had to do to find those posts was:
a) pull up your comment history, scroll down to the bottom & press "More Posts" until they were all visible, (it's 8 mouse clicks, I just checked)
b) press CTRL-F & then search for PVE/PVP.

Arrivederci!

Mr_Walker · February 2020

Quit complaining OP, and show your individuality instead. Stand out from the crowd by playing a templar!

brandonv516 · February 2020

Mr_Walker wrote: »

Quit complaining OP, and show your individuality instead. Stand out from the crowd by playing a templar!

lol

Langeston · February 2020

Mr_Walker wrote: »

Quit complaining OP, and show your individuality instead. Stand out from the crowd by playing a templar!

That's actually not a bad idea. In fact, I've already made a macro for them.

Flame_of_Hades · February 2020

O god, this is a shitshow. Alright. Yes. Nb is unarguably the worst class for HIGH TIER PVP at the moment. At any level it is poor in groups, and at high level it is poor in 1v1 fights. The only place NB shines is ganking new players.

Magblade suffers from:

1. Lack of damage. The problem for magblade is NOT cast time on their ultimates. The problem is that even without cast time, a decent player will nearly always dodge roll after they get hit by incap. It is a reflex because the nb burst CANNOT start without incap. Magblade scales poorly and suffers from being a "ranged" class (this means all of their abilities can be roll dodged AND roll will give players a 2-3 seconds window where they are completely immune to damage, it is a little complicated, if someone asks I can explain it.) The problem with this, is that magblade has to be in melee range to begin it's burst combo.

2. No burst heal. Let me be clear, this is a minor gripe. If you are keeping your HoTs up, one roll dodge will usually take you back up to acceptable health ranges. That being said, this is a massive barrier to entry for most players, as they are used to having a heal on demand.

Stamblade does not suffer as much. As a melee class they do not suffer from 3 second 100% mitigation. The problem for stamblade, is that invisibility is USELESS in high level play, solo open world or not. To be clear, I mean fighting someone if higher caliber, not being the only high caliber player. Except for builds using 1h/shield, stamblade is heavily dependent upon stealth for survivability, and having their main "heal" be negated means they are fighting a massive uphill battle.

Now. Nb is NOT massively underpowered, no class is at the moment. NB is just simply the class that needs the most work when compaired to other classes.

MercilessnVexed · February 2020

Langeston wrote: »

... (much excised)
1. I never said I don't do well, I said Nightblades are the weakest class. No one who knows what they're talking about disputes this.

I have a stam nightblade, which according to your picture is absolutely terrible to play. But I'm having an absolute blast here on my 'terribly underpowered' (?????) nightblade.

All I can think is perhaps you should get a good night's sleep, contemplate life for a while, perhaps take a break and go do something outside so that you can get a better attitude. SMH.

brandonv516 · February 2020

Beastygrowls wrote: »

Langeston wrote: »

... (much excised)
1. I never said I don't do well, I said Nightblades are the weakest class. No one who knows what they're talking about disputes this.

I have a stam nightblade, which according to your picture is absolutely terrible to play. But I'm having an absolute blast here on my 'terribly underpowered' (?????) nightblade.

All I can think is perhaps you should get a good night's sleep, contemplate life for a while, perhaps take a break and go do something outside so that you can get a better attitude. SMH.

I still have a blast on my underpowered Magblade.

Point?

TheFM · February 2020

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTP1WSIUZhs
2:00 min - current problem some people have on forums, explained pretty well by El Lobo, during chat with Isth3reno1else.

Also 2 other videos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8q-W0BsD6s
(all credit to Isth3reno1else)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vGf9ce9Hus
(all credit to Kristofer ESO)

I hardly doubt that 3 independent content creators that know the game well and they PvP a lot, somehow conspired to make NB (both mag & stam) look bad on on purpose, compared to other classes...

Sorry, but this is simply how things are. ZOS was too heavy handed on NB nerfs last year (WW nerfs too btw.), don't deny it, even non NB mains see that lol.

Yeah playing against some classes is ok, but going up against a good templar , stamcro, or stamden is just a battle of futility as a magblade, cant speak for stamblade, havent tried it.

Deathlord92 · February 2020

TheFM wrote: »

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTP1WSIUZhs
2:00 min - current problem some people have on forums, explained pretty well by El Lobo, during chat with Isth3reno1else.

Also 2 other videos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8q-W0BsD6s
(all credit to Isth3reno1else)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vGf9ce9Hus
(all credit to Kristofer ESO)

I hardly doubt that 3 independent content creators that know the game well and they PvP a lot, somehow conspired to make NB (both mag & stam) look bad on on purpose, compared to other classes...

Sorry, but this is simply how things are. ZOS was too heavy handed on NB nerfs last year (WW nerfs too btw.), don't deny it, even non NB mains see that lol.

Yeah playing against some classes is ok, but going up against a good templar , stamcro, or stamden is just a battle of futility as a magblade, cant speak for stamblade, havent tried it.

Yup stamcro stam warden and templar is horrible to fight for my stamblade I really feel my nerfs if the player is good on these classes especially if the stamcro or stamplar is using brp 😒 I haven’t played much of my magblade plan to though and I imagine it’s horrible for magblade.

TheFM · February 2020

Deathlord92 wrote: »

TheFM wrote: »

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTP1WSIUZhs
2:00 min - current problem some people have on forums, explained pretty well by El Lobo, during chat with Isth3reno1else.

Also 2 other videos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8q-W0BsD6s
(all credit to Isth3reno1else)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vGf9ce9Hus
(all credit to Kristofer ESO)

I hardly doubt that 3 independent content creators that know the game well and they PvP a lot, somehow conspired to make NB (both mag & stam) look bad on on purpose, compared to other classes...

Sorry, but this is simply how things are. ZOS was too heavy handed on NB nerfs last year (WW nerfs too btw.), don't deny it, even non NB mains see that lol.

Yeah playing against some classes is ok, but going up against a good templar , stamcro, or stamden is just a battle of futility as a magblade, cant speak for stamblade, havent tried it.

Yup stamcro stam warden and templar is horrible to fight for my stamblade I really feel my nerfs if the player is good on these classes especially if the stamcro or stamplar is using brp 😒 I haven’t played much of my magblade plan to though and I imagine it’s horrible for magblade.

I just faced a stamcro in cyro, even with stacked offensive stats they were able to shrug off about 80 percent of my damage.

Deathlord92 · February 2020

TheFM wrote: »

Deathlord92 wrote: »

TheFM wrote: »

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTP1WSIUZhs
2:00 min - current problem some people have on forums, explained pretty well by El Lobo, during chat with Isth3reno1else.

Also 2 other videos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8q-W0BsD6s
(all credit to Isth3reno1else)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vGf9ce9Hus
(all credit to Kristofer ESO)

I hardly doubt that 3 independent content creators that know the game well and they PvP a lot, somehow conspired to make NB (both mag & stam) look bad on on purpose, compared to other classes...

Sorry, but this is simply how things are. ZOS was too heavy handed on NB nerfs last year (WW nerfs too btw.), don't deny it, even non NB mains see that lol.

Yeah playing against some classes is ok, but going up against a good templar , stamcro, or stamden is just a battle of futility as a magblade, cant speak for stamblade, havent tried it.

Yup stamcro stam warden and templar is horrible to fight for my stamblade I really feel my nerfs if the player is good on these classes especially if the stamcro or stamplar is using brp 😒 I haven’t played much of my magblade plan to though and I imagine it’s horrible for magblade.

I just faced a stamcro in cyro, even with stacked offensive stats they were able to shrug off about 80 percent of my damage.

Yup stamcro is easy mode atm I can put all my effort into getting them to execute range and they can just heal back up to full np makes me really salty bk in the day my nb would have destroyed anyone on any class

Iskiab · February 2020

Flame_of_Hades wrote: »

O god, this is a shitshow. Alright. Yes. Nb is unarguably the worst class for HIGH TIER PVP at the moment. At any level it is poor in groups, and at high level it is poor in 1v1 fights. The only place NB shines is ganking new players.

Magblade suffers from:

1. Lack of damage. The problem for magblade is NOT cast time on their ultimates. The problem is that even without cast time, a decent player will nearly always dodge roll after they get hit by incap. It is a reflex because the nb burst CANNOT start without incap. Magblade scales poorly and suffers from being a "ranged" class (this means all of their abilities can be roll dodged AND roll will give players a 2-3 seconds window where they are completely immune to damage, it is a little complicated, if someone asks I can explain it.) The problem with this, is that magblade has to be in melee range to begin it's burst combo.

2. No burst heal. Let me be clear, this is a minor gripe. If you are keeping your HoTs up, one roll dodge will usually take you back up to acceptable health ranges. That being said, this is a massive barrier to entry for most players, as they are used to having a heal on demand.

Stamblade does not suffer as much. As a melee class they do not suffer from 3 second 100% mitigation. The problem for stamblade, is that invisibility is USELESS in high level play, solo open world or not. To be clear, I mean fighting someone if higher caliber, not being the only high caliber player. Except for builds using 1h/shield, stamblade is heavily dependent upon stealth for survivability, and having their main "heal" be negated means they are fighting a massive uphill battle.

Now. Nb is NOT massively underpowered, no class is at the moment. NB is just simply the class that needs the most work when compaired to other classes.

I agree but think the burst heal is more important than you think it is. If someone’s less than 70% health for more then a couple seconds in a BG it’s like a feeding frenzy on that person looking for a kill.

Dodge rolling isn’t feasible for long on a magblade, and cloak can be easily countered. You can stack hots, but with burst being what it is you can go from full health to dead in a couple seconds.

Even dark cloak, refreshing path and radiating regen combined is only the same amount as vigor.

MercilessnVexed · February 2020

brandonv516 wrote: »

Beastygrowls wrote: »

Langeston wrote: »

... (much excised)
1. I never said I don't do well, I said Nightblades are the weakest class. No one who knows what they're talking about disputes this.

I have a stam nightblade, which according to your picture is absolutely terrible to play. But I'm having an absolute blast here on my 'terribly underpowered' (?????) nightblade.

All I can think is perhaps you should get a good night's sleep, contemplate life for a while, perhaps take a break and go do something outside so that you can get a better attitude. SMH.

I still have a blast on my underpowered Magblade.

Point?

I'm sorry was I talking to you? No. I was answering the original poster, who is not you. Please go be rude elsewhere.

TheFM · February 2020

Beastygrowls wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

Beastygrowls wrote: »

Langeston wrote: »

... (much excised)
1. I never said I don't do well, I said Nightblades are the weakest class. No one who knows what they're talking about disputes this.

I have a stam nightblade, which according to your picture is absolutely terrible to play. But I'm having an absolute blast here on my 'terribly underpowered' (?????) nightblade.

All I can think is perhaps you should get a good night's sleep, contemplate life for a while, perhaps take a break and go do something outside so that you can get a better attitude. SMH.

I still have a blast on my underpowered Magblade.

Point?

I'm sorry was I talking to you? No. I was answering the original poster, who is not you. Please go be rude elsewhere.

Seems to be disturbingly common in these forums.

MercilessnVexed · February 2020

TheFM wrote: »

Beastygrowls wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

Beastygrowls wrote: »

Langeston wrote: »

... (much excised)
1. I never said I don't do well, I said Nightblades are the weakest class. No one who knows what they're talking about disputes this.

I have a stam nightblade, which according to your picture is absolutely terrible to play. But I'm having an absolute blast here on my 'terribly underpowered' (?????) nightblade.

All I can think is perhaps you should get a good night's sleep, contemplate life for a while, perhaps take a break and go do something outside so that you can get a better attitude. SMH.

I still have a blast on my underpowered Magblade.

Point?

I'm sorry was I talking to you? No. I was answering the original poster, who is not you. Please go be rude elsewhere.

Seems to be disturbingly common in these forums.

Alas, so it seems. Goodness! All I said was that I was having fun and perhaps OP needs a minor vacay or some sleep. Jay-jumpin-jeehozafat!!

TheFM · February 2020

Beastygrowls wrote: »

TheFM wrote: »

Beastygrowls wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

Beastygrowls wrote: »

Langeston wrote: »

... (much excised)
1. I never said I don't do well, I said Nightblades are the weakest class. No one who knows what they're talking about disputes this.

I have a stam nightblade, which according to your picture is absolutely terrible to play. But I'm having an absolute blast here on my 'terribly underpowered' (?????) nightblade.

All I can think is perhaps you should get a good night's sleep, contemplate life for a while, perhaps take a break and go do something outside so that you can get a better attitude. SMH.

I still have a blast on my underpowered Magblade.

Point?

I'm sorry was I talking to you? No. I was answering the original poster, who is not you. Please go be rude elsewhere.

Seems to be disturbingly common in these forums.

Alas, so it seems. Goodness! All I said was that I was having fun and perhaps OP needs a minor vacay or some sleep. Jay-jumpin-jeehozafat!!

😅

brandonv516 · February 2020

Beastygrowls wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

Beastygrowls wrote: »

Langeston wrote: »

... (much excised)
1. I never said I don't do well, I said Nightblades are the weakest class. No one who knows what they're talking about disputes this.

I have a stam nightblade, which according to your picture is absolutely terrible to play. But I'm having an absolute blast here on my 'terribly underpowered' (?????) nightblade.

All I can think is perhaps you should get a good night's sleep, contemplate life for a while, perhaps take a break and go do something outside so that you can get a better attitude. SMH.

I still have a blast on my underpowered Magblade.

Point?

I'm sorry was I talking to you? No. I was answering the original poster, who is not you. Please go be rude elsewhere.

This is a public forum and thus if you want a private conversation you must PM the person.

Think of this as one giant Wal-Mart and I hear everything you are saying in the checkout line. I am that person who enters into your conversation about "how you love fuji apples" with the cashier.

Langeston · February 2020

Beastygrowls wrote: »

Langeston wrote: »

... (much excised)
1. I never said I don't do well, I said Nightblades are the weakest class. No one who knows what they're talking about disputes this.

I have a stam nightblade, which according to your picture is absolutely terrible to play. But I'm having an absolute blast here on my 'terribly underpowered' (?????) nightblade.

Um, congratulations? What do you want me to say? I have fun playing on my magblade too — that's why I stubbornly still play the ******* class & would like to see it brought into line with the others.🙄

All I can think is perhaps you should get a good night's sleep, contemplate life for a while, perhaps take a break and go do something outside so that you can get a better attitude. SMH.

All I can think is that perhaps you are rolling around in low MMR BGs poking at potatoes if you think NBs are at all in the same league as the other classes.🤷

Nice talk.

Kalante · February 2020

meanwhile I can't even use the nightblade because the game is so bad.

https://youtu.be/GPQZRIPO4k4

Nerouyn · February 2020

Langeston wrote: »

I'm not going to go into detail regarding the endless stream of nerfs Nightblades have sustained, or how you've taken unique NB skills and given improved versions of them to other (in some cases all) classes

Truthfully this game has always shamelessly favoured nightblades.

Two DLCs - Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood - both Nightblade flavoured.

Accordingly there's TWO whole aspects of PvE thematically more suited to this one class and at which they also have huge advantages, eg. stealth speed + invis ability.

Vampire skill line - that's Nightblade flavoured too.

Pre the outfit system, what colour were max level weapons for all but a tiny number of motifs? Red, i.e. Nightblade flavoured.

Czekoludek · February 2020

Nerouyn wrote: »

Langeston wrote: »

I'm not going to go into detail regarding the endless stream of nerfs Nightblades have sustained, or how you've taken unique NB skills and given improved versions of them to other (in some cases all) classes

Truthfully this game has always shamelessly favoured nightblades.

Two DLCs - Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood - both Nightblade flavoured.

Accordingly there's TWO whole aspects of PvE thematically more suited to this one class and at which they also have huge advantages, eg. stealth speed + invis ability.

Vampire skill line - that's Nightblade flavoured too.

Pre the outfit system, what colour were max level weapons for all but a tiny number of motifs? Red, i.e. Nightblade flavoured.

Definitely devs favored nightblades cuz rubedite color is red xD
Nightblades have their glory days between Morrowind and Summerset. Before and after that class was mediocre at best and pretty bad for most of the time

brandonv516 · February 2020

Nerouyn wrote: »

Langeston wrote: »

I'm not going to go into detail regarding the endless stream of nerfs Nightblades have sustained, or how you've taken unique NB skills and given improved versions of them to other (in some cases all) classes

Truthfully this game has always shamelessly favoured nightblades.

Two DLCs - Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood - both Nightblade flavoured.

Accordingly there's TWO whole aspects of PvE thematically more suited to this one class and at which they also have huge advantages, eg. stealth speed + invis ability.

Vampire skill line - that's Nightblade flavoured too.

Pre the outfit system, what colour were max level weapons for all but a tiny number of motifs? Red, i.e. Nightblade flavoured.

Ah Shadowy Disguise, the skill that every raid leader envies. Endgame PvE definitely favors that stealth gameplay!

This thread is about PvP balancing, not the advantages that NB has in cakewalk PvE and apparently...costumes at one point.