Bethesda, Zenimax tend towards not doing anything that adds actual different outcomes for a Storyline. Wished Zenimax made an exception for the Orsinium dlc ending . If they do the two different outcomes examples selecting a leader for Rivenspire or the Mane. They do it in a way that doesn't effect anything large scale. Bethesda did give different choices in Skyrim like the Civil War and also the Dawnguard/Volkihar Clan for the Dawnguard Dlc plus join or destroy dark brotherhood. They do tend towards a more one sided approach when it comes to actual endings though and that includes guilds. Like you couldn't join the Worm Cult, nor the Blackwood Company guild in Oblivion because obviously there would be two different endings. Though one quest in the Fighters guild allowed you to join temp to spy on the Blackwood Company but then you had to act and defeat the group. So you were never really joining them.

They have been avoiding multiple possible endings since Daggerfall. Going by what I understand about this I believe its also Bethesdas Official stance when they do Elder Scrolls games so they can avoid having it end like Daggerfall did and having to explain which outcome was correct it makes it harder for them. So whatever choices we have don't effect anything to the point they have to do a Dragonbreak to explain all the endings. They might have to explain Skyrim's Civil War but they could even leave it vague.

If they do give us a good or evil path. They will likely do it like Dawnguard dlc and the outcome with be the same join the vampires kill Harkon. Join the Dawnguard destroy Harkon.
Only difference would be the path that takes you to the ending. So like if the chapter has you Join Ravenwatch or Join the Evil Vampire lord. Ending will be the same for both sides aka killing the Evil vampire lord.

Vanos444 wrote: »

Please, ZOS.
Let's have a more RPG element in Greymoor. I want to take the dark path by being a vampire and killing important npc like in Skyrim or SWTOR ( I enjoyed the dark path of being a sith, killing every npc, being a jerk and finally becoming a sith lord )
Give us this choice, of being totally evil lord or Booty-Goody shoe licker soldier hero that we usually have/ are.

@ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_GinaBruno

I see what you mean, because frankly it can be fun to be bad in a game, but in an MMO I think this would be somewhat problematic. Let's say half of us decide they want to take the "bad" path and the other half takes the "good" path. One half would always wait for certain NPCs to respawn so they can kill them, while the other might need to talk to the same NPCs for a quest. I don't think this would end well, everyone would just be frustrated in the end.

Maybe the Ravenwatch will actually recognise that some people will be vampires this time ? And it would be nice to see the crew of vampires from Eastmarch as well.

CassandraGemini wrote: »

Vanos444 wrote: »

Please, ZOS.
Let's have a more RPG element in Greymoor. I want to take the dark path by being a vampire and killing important npc like in Skyrim or SWTOR ( I enjoyed the dark path of being a sith, killing every npc, being a jerk and finally becoming a sith lord )
Give us this choice, of being totally evil lord or Booty-Goody shoe licker soldier hero that we usually have/ are.

ZOS_RichLambert ZOS_GinaBruno

I see what you mean, because frankly it can be fun to be bad in a game, but in an MMO I think this would be somewhat problematic. Let's say half of us decide they want to take the "bad" path and the other half takes the "good" path. One half would always wait for certain NPCs to respawn so they can kill them, while the other might need to talk to the same NPCs for a quest. I don't think this would end well, everyone would just be frustrated in the end.

Easily solved: quest NPCs simply aren't able to be fought outside of specific battles during the alternate questlines. An alternate questline would almost certainly involve instanced quest and hub areas for players at different stages or different sides, so there's no need for some "free-for-all" where players could grief each other.


That being said, ZOS almost certainly won't do it. Alternate questlines make for great organic replayability as story-driven players want to see all the options or choose what best fits their characters. They also involve double the work, Instances, voice-acting, coding, animation, etc for a single piece of content. The profit to effort ratio is much better when you instead boost the replayability of a single-story Chapter by using grindy dailies, grindy events, and grindy gear chases.

I expect whatever player choices we get to be minimal and fairly inconsequential in the long run. Like the choice in Summerset whether to let the Psijic Order try to attune the crystals or not? It made no difference in how we got railroaded along the rest of the questline.

What would be te point of it? The good character will be back from the dead eventually like liris and Sai

Glorifying the Evil and insulting the Good.

The bias is strong with this one.

Thevampirenight wrote: »

If they do give us a good or evil path. They will likely do it like Dawnguard dlc and the outcome with be the same join the vampires kill Harkon. Join the Dawnguard destroy Harkon.
Only difference would be the path that takes you to the ending. So like if the chapter has you Join Ravenwatch or Join the Evil Vampire lord. Ending will be the same for both sides aka killing the Evil vampire lord.

We already know the ultimate outcome of everything that happens in ESO. We have seen the future.

That actually introduces an interesting, but ultimately unpopular, option that ZOS could take with quest lines: the player is on the losing side.

100% agree. Lets us have choices!!! In elsweyr we can only do the hero path i want to kill the cat queen and be the emperor and enslave the cats!!!! But nooooo where are the rpg elements zos?

Nah, that's too annoyingly binary it's extremely rare (except online) that people act like total jerks all the time.

Most of the quests in the game have Jugdmental or Forgiving options instead of Arsehole and Paladin and I prefer those options. particularly when there is no good option. However, more consequences for being consistently judgemental or forgiving would be nice. Atm we just sort of get an NPC being somewhere or not being somewhere or being sad or happy not really changing the outcome really. But I am not sure you can do much inside an MMO though.

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Vanos444 wrote: »

Please, ZOS.
Let's have a more RPG element in Greymoor. I want to take the dark path by being a vampire and killing important npc like in Skyrim or SWTOR ( I enjoyed the dark path of being a sith, killing every npc, being a jerk and finally becoming a sith lord )
Give us this choice, of being totally evil lord or Booty-Goody shoe licker soldier hero that we usually have/ are.

@ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_GinaBruno

I think it will be more like RIvenspire in a way. We will be the hero and will likely have to side with the good guy vampires.
Since Ravenwatch are returning.
It would be nice if there was more choices, but I think they might go the one sided approach and if they do add in different choices outcome will likely end up being the same.

Not necessarily, consider they add a good and bad path, the bad path means destroying the house of Ravenwatch. There could simply be a canon outcome, regardless of what you pick reflected in future dlc. I don't think that would have a huge impact on things and could see it being implemented that way.