Duroks Bane+Thurvoken+Dmg set Stamdk?

Gatdangmayne · February 2020

In theory it would be pretty op, with easy high uptime on both major and minor defile. Aside from slightly lacking damage, is there anything about duroks that makes it perform worse than it seems it should?

SpiderCultist · February 2020

duroks was nerfed to hell lol

Urzigurumash · February 2020

Ward of Cyro is probably better 1v1 than Durok's, if you can use Medium in the build, but really the whole issue, as you probably know, is that there is little point to focus on Defile as a DK when you can do it better as a Warden with Corrupting Pollen, or a Necro with Blastbones.

Maybe I'm wrong about that, but that seems to be the general consensus.

Urzigurumash · February 2020

In other words, you're not just missing out on a little damage by equipping Durok's, but rather a large amount, since you could just slot Corrupting Pollen / Blastbones and wear another damage set. I just don't think it's worth it for XvX, you'll be under-utilizing the class, in my opinion.

For 1v1, I think Ward of Cyro is a decent dueling set. I'm not sure how uncouth its use may be considered in dueling tournaments.

Iskiab · February 2020

I agree with everyone else here. In addition, doesn’t shifting standard do major defile?

I don’t have much time on my DK, but I think shifting standard in an Ult gen build would be better. So daring Corsair or Shalks. Cool thing about shifting standard is it gives a synergy and you can gain ultimate while it’s going.

On my nublet DK I remember the Ult was 1/3 charged for the next standard without all my passives in lowby BGs in a normal build.

MaxJrFTW · February 2020

People will call you names, but yeah that's a strong setup. If it's for 1v1 you can add Scavenging Demise for extra cheese. More cheese is never a bad thing.

ecru · February 2020

Iskiab wrote: »

I agree with everyone else here. In addition, doesn’t shifting standard do major defile?

I don’t have much time on my DK, but I think shifting standard in an Ult gen build would be better. So daring Corsair or Shalks. Cool thing about shifting standard is it gives a synergy and you can gain ultimate while it’s going.

On my nublet DK I remember the Ult was 1/3 charged for the next standard without all my passives in lowby BGs in a normal build.

Shifting is one of the most underappreciated ults in the game. It's hilariously good for 1vXing in towers against people who don't know any better because of the defile and the absurd amount of damage it does. I've wiped small groups I probably would have had to run from with shifting. I think the tooltip on my stamdk is over 100k, and while that's over 29 seconds, that's still a whole lot of damage.

Iskiab · February 2020

ecru wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

I agree with everyone else here. In addition, doesn’t shifting standard do major defile?

I don’t have much time on my DK, but I think shifting standard in an Ult gen build would be better. So daring Corsair or Shalks. Cool thing about shifting standard is it gives a synergy and you can gain ultimate while it’s going.

On my nublet DK I remember the Ult was 1/3 charged for the next standard without all my passives in lowby BGs in a normal build.

Shifting is one of the most underappreciated ults in the game. It's hilariously good for 1vXing in towers against people who don't know any better because of the defile and the absurd amount of damage it does. I've wiped small groups I probably would have had to run from with shifting. I think the tooltip on my stamdk is over 100k, and while that's over 29 seconds, that's still a whole lot of damage.

Yea, I remember liking it. It’s too bad the DK passive that gives resources when you Ult doesn’t work when you reapply the standard, but that’d probably be broken OP.

OrderoftheDarkness · February 2020

Iskiab wrote: »

I agree with everyone else here. In addition, doesn’t shifting standard do major defile?

I don’t have much time on my DK, but I think shifting standard in an Ult gen build would be better. So daring Corsair or Shalks. Cool thing about shifting standard is it gives a synergy and you can gain ultimate while it’s going.

On my nublet DK I remember the Ult was 1/3 charged for the next standard without all my passives in lowby BGs in a normal build.

Yea, very good advice, manage Defile for DK better through shifting standard + Thurvokun they even have a small kind of АОЕ synergy. For TS if you have a friend who can help you CC then you will have a unique style. Also, if you play CP, use 84 points for Befoul.

NBrookus · February 2020

Shifting though is VERY niche. If solo, it requires your opponents to be very clueless and both stand in the damage and defile long enough to work. Shifting + Foss cause them to CC break and then roll out of the standard.

As soon as you have a buddy that is fast on the Shackle, it become dangerous.

Shifting would be one of the best balanced ults in the game, except they handed Corrupting Pollen to Warden.

Urzigurumash · February 2020

Iskiab wrote: »

I don’t have much time on my DK, but I think shifting standard in an Ult gen build would be better. So daring Corsair or Shalks

I would say Shifting Standard is indispensable for group play in Cyro, hit or miss in BGs, worthless in 1v1. I think you mean Champion of the Hist instead of Shalk's. Of course Aslyum 2h and Bloodspawn are also good choices for Ult Gen, and if you used Bloodspawn instead of Thurvokun, you could equip Fasalla's Guile or Affliction instead of Champion of the Hist.

I would like to recommend Dead Water's Guile for group play, but in all my experience it appears to have some sort of hidden cooldown. When I kill 3 enemies at once in PvE I don't seem to get 15 ult, only 5.

Daring Corsair, what a great backbar on paper, but those 2-4 bonuses are too weak for me to try it out.

Gatdangmayne · February 2020

Some good thoughts here! I know wardens can do it easier, but magden is not fun to play, and I don't have necro.

I've used shifting standard on my lizard as mdk, but I've been running champion of the hist, and bloodspawn on him and having leap or SnB ulti is too good to trade for a somewhat expensive, group oriented ult.

I was thinking durok, thurvoken, and either shackle or hulking probably (infused dmg jewelry), so I would be 5 heavy, 2 medium on hands and waist.

I guess new clever alchemist would probably be a good combo with this too, as a lizard who uses trash AP pots...yeah, think ima try this out.

Iskiab · February 2020

Gatdangmayne wrote: »

Some good thoughts here! I know wardens can do it easier, but magden is not fun to play, and I don't have necro.

I've used shifting standard on my lizard as mdk, but I've been running champion of the hist, and bloodspawn on him and having leap or SnB ulti is too good to trade for a somewhat expensive, group oriented ult.

I was thinking durok, thurvoken, and either shackle or hulking probably (infused dmg jewelry), so I would be 5 heavy, 2 medium on hands and waist.

I guess new clever alchemist would probably be a good combo with this too, as a lizard who uses trash AP pots...yeah, think ima try this out.

Oh you’re an argonian? Yea clever alchemist looks awesome 3x infused potion cooldown jewellery. If you’re rich the vitality, heroism and protection pot would be totally OP.

Gatdangmayne · February 2020

Yep lizard dk is honestly super op. Between ults and pots, I roll with about 700 star regen, over 2k health recov, and have plenty of both mag and stam.

Going from that to magblade, magplar, or even stamplar and stamden, they all feel super squishy and super weak in comparison.

Funny stamdk is the last spec I hadn't played much in pvp (besides necro)

Metemsycosis · February 2020

Gatdangmayne wrote: »

Some good thoughts here! I know wardens can do it easier, but magden is not fun to play, and I don't have necro.

I've used shifting standard on my lizard as mdk, but I've been running champion of the hist, and bloodspawn on him and having leap or SnB ulti is too good to trade for a somewhat expensive, group oriented ult.

I was thinking durok, thurvoken, and either shackle or hulking probably (infused dmg jewelry), so I would be 5 heavy, 2 medium on hands and waist.

I guess new clever alchemist would probably be a good combo with this too, as a lizard who uses trash AP pots...yeah, think ima try this out.

That is the route im taking my argonian dk -- alchemist and cyrodiil ward with disease glyph front bar. 7 heavy armor prolly troll king or balorgh, building around dizzying+ leap+ defile.

Gatdangmayne · February 2020

Metemsycosis wrote: »

Gatdangmayne wrote: »

Some good thoughts here! I know wardens can do it easier, but magden is not fun to play, and I don't have necro.

I've used shifting standard on my lizard as mdk, but I've been running champion of the hist, and bloodspawn on him and having leap or SnB ulti is too good to trade for a somewhat expensive, group oriented ult.

I was thinking durok, thurvoken, and either shackle or hulking probably (infused dmg jewelry), so I would be 5 heavy, 2 medium on hands and waist.

I guess new clever alchemist would probably be a good combo with this too, as a lizard who uses trash AP pots...yeah, think ima try this out.

That is the route im taking my argonian dk -- alchemist and cyrodiil ward with disease glyph front bar. 7 heavy armor prolly troll king or balorgh, building around dizzying+ leap+ defile.

I actually already have cyro's ward, but if I understand it can only proc on one person, with a cool down. That's why I wanted to try duroks, I know it also has a cool down, but I'm almost always outnumbered lol.

Iskiab · February 2020

Metemsycosis wrote: »

Gatdangmayne wrote: »

Some good thoughts here! I know wardens can do it easier, but magden is not fun to play, and I don't have necro.

I've used shifting standard on my lizard as mdk, but I've been running champion of the hist, and bloodspawn on him and having leap or SnB ulti is too good to trade for a somewhat expensive, group oriented ult.

I was thinking durok, thurvoken, and either shackle or hulking probably (infused dmg jewelry), so I would be 5 heavy, 2 medium on hands and waist.

I guess new clever alchemist would probably be a good combo with this too, as a lizard who uses trash AP pots...yeah, think ima try this out.

That is the route im taking my argonian dk -- alchemist and cyrodiil ward with disease glyph front bar. 7 heavy armor prolly troll king or balorgh, building around dizzying+ leap+ defile.

Is 7 heavy a thing? I though people go 5H-1M-1L for the undaunted passive. Is it because DKs have a synergy with heavy attacks?

Urzigurumash · February 2020

Iskiab wrote: »

Is 7 heavy a thing? I though people go 5H-1M-1L for the undaunted passive. Is it because DKs have a synergy with heavy attacks?

I've played 7 heavy since launch, and still much prefer it. I use one toon for both PvP and PvE however, so it's always made things much simpler.

Not just the heavy attack synergy, but more health + resistances + health regen + constitution restoration for me outweighs a bit more mag and stam.