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15 min penalty on dungeon
Brandathorbel
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I get there is a 15 min penalty when you leave a group - shouldnt be but there is.
so i get random dungeon and i fail to zone and cant get into the dungeon so i ask them to kick me and they do. AND I STILL GET A 15 MIN PENALTY.
[Edit to remove bashing, demands and censor bypassing]
Edited by [Deleted User] on February 8, 2020 8:14PM so i get random dungeon and i fail to zone and cant get into the dungeon so i ask them to kick me and they do. AND I STILL GET A 15 MIN PENALTY.
[Edit to remove bashing, demands and censor bypassing]
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Thokri✭✭✭✭✭Make it hour because there are tons of people who abuse this system.
"oh I don't like this one. I am going to afk in entrance until you kick me"
And fake tanks.. There are lots of them, sadly.15 -
xXMeowMeowXx✭✭✭✭✭
✭Make it hour because there are tons of people who abuse this system.
"oh I don't like this one. I am going to afk in entrance until you kick me"
And fake tanks.. There are lots of them, sadly.
You forgot fake dps, as well.
OP just do something else with your character or log into one of your others. It really will just allow you to bypass your frustrations at a vid game and da broken grp finder aka ‘the time stealer’
Possibly post this in the PTS section as QoL improvement....Though you may want to not use all caps and get your message across in a more pleasant manner. Honey is better then vinegar, unless it is to clean your coffee maker out.
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Rave the Histborn✭✭✭✭✭
✭Make it hour because there are tons of people who abuse this system.
"oh I don't like this one. I am going to afk in entrance until you kick me"
And fake tanks.. There are lots of them, sadly.
You say that now but honestly it'd just hurt the people that want to be in the dungeons more with a penalty that long5 -
DLM✭✭✭✭✭I get there is a 15 min penalty when you leave a group - shouldnt be but there is.
so i get random dungeon and i fail to zone and cant get into the dungeon so i ask them to kick me and they do. AND I STILL GET A 15 MIN PENALTY.
I had this happen a few times. Dropping a group or here, being dropped from a group when you are not inside the dungeon, is condisered the same.
Now, be patient. Eventually you can always get in even if you have to wait 5 minutes.Edited by [Deleted User] on February 8, 2020 8:16PM0 -
Coatmagic✭✭✭✭✭
✭BackStabeth wrote: »Do dungeons with friends or guildmates, consider the problem solved.
Ahem, no, problem not solved.
Many other posts here about this so won't go on about it, but due to the way random daily is set up, if you are given something beyond your groups capabilities and bail to get another you have to wait as well... twenty mins actually.
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llande✭✭✭Yes it should be extended. Too many people dropping at the beggining of the dungeon cause they qued for random and got DLC one.2
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Brandathorbel✭✭✭✭✭Yes it should be extended. Too many people dropping at the beggining of the dungeon cause they qued for random and got DLC one.
so if the game bugs out and you cant get in the dungeon and you get kicked you are saying you should get a penalty?
[Edit to remove bashing]Edited by [Deleted User] on February 8, 2020 8:18PM4 -
Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
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Hopefully, this year will see a fix to the remaining cases that cause a failure to zone into the dungeon. That is the source of the problem, not the penalty.Edited by [Deleted User] on February 8, 2020 8:19PMXBox EU/NA:@ElsonsoJannus
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Tsar_Gekkou✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes it should be extended. Too many people dropping at the beggining of the dungeon cause they qued for random and got DLC one.
That'll just cause more people to ask to be kicked or just afk until the group decides to kick them. People with multiple characters can just log onto another one if they're farming gear and don't need to level skills on a particular character that's stuck with a dungeon penalty timer.Xbox NA healer main
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zvavi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes it should be extended. Too many people dropping at the beggining of the dungeon cause they qued for random and got DLC one.
People that intentionally drop dont care about the penalty, i think. Tbh when i consider dropping when i didn't feel like doing the boring dungeon i got for the 4th time that day on my alt, i didn't give a fudge about the penalty, i didn't do it cause i didn't want to ditch. If i felt ok with ditching, penalty or not, i would be out.3 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I get there is a 15 min penalty when you leave a group - shouldnt be but there is.
so i get random dungeon and i fail to zone and cant get into the dungeon so i ask them to kick me and they do. AND I STILL GET A 15 MIN PENALTY.
No. The 15 minute penalty should be there. It is there to persuade players to stick with the group and give it a chance vs bailing because they do not like the dungeon or petty reasons that the CP of one player is to low.
Now that we have that out of the way, if a player is kicked from the group they should not have a penalty as they did not leave by their own choice.
So I suggest OP edit their original statement to suggest that change, that when a player is vote kicked they do not get a penalty, but not for removal of the penalty altogether because that is not going to happen.Edited by [Deleted User] on February 8, 2020 8:20PM4 -
Brandathorbel✭✭✭✭✭I get there is a 15 min penalty when you leave a group - shouldnt be but there is.
so i get random dungeon and i fail to zone and cant get into the dungeon so i ask them to kick me and they do. AND I STILL GET A 15 MIN PENALTY.
No. The 15 minute penalty should be there. It is there to persuade players to stick with the group and give it a chance vs bailing because they do not like the dungeon or petty reasons that the CP of one player is to low.
Now that we have that out of the way, if a player is kicked from the group they should not have a penalty as they did not leave by their own choice.
So I suggest OP edit their original statement to suggest that change, that when a player is vote kicked they do not get a penalty, but not for removal of the penalty altogether because that is not going to happen.
there arent supposed to get a penalty for being kicked but it seems if you are not in the dungeon at the time it gives you the penalty0 -
Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I get there is a 15 min penalty when you leave a group - shouldnt be but there is.
so i get random dungeon and i fail to zone and cant get into the dungeon so i ask them to kick me and they do. AND I STILL GET A 15 MIN PENALTY.
No. The 15 minute penalty should be there. It is there to persuade players to stick with the group and give it a chance vs bailing because they do not like the dungeon or petty reasons that the CP of one player is to low.
Now that we have that out of the way, if a player is kicked from the group they should not have a penalty as they did not leave by their own choice.
So I suggest OP edit their original statement to suggest that change, that when a player is vote kicked they do not get a penalty, but not for removal of the penalty altogether because that is not going to happen.
there arent supposed to get a penalty for being kicked but it seems if you are not in the dungeon at the time it gives you the penalty
That sounds intentional, to me.XBox EU/NA:@ElsonsoJannus
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Brandathorbel✭✭✭✭✭I get there is a 15 min penalty when you leave a group - shouldnt be but there is.
so i get random dungeon and i fail to zone and cant get into the dungeon so i ask them to kick me and they do. AND I STILL GET A 15 MIN PENALTY.
No. The 15 minute penalty should be there. It is there to persuade players to stick with the group and give it a chance vs bailing because they do not like the dungeon or petty reasons that the CP of one player is to low.
Now that we have that out of the way, if a player is kicked from the group they should not have a penalty as they did not leave by their own choice.
So I suggest OP edit their original statement to suggest that change, that when a player is vote kicked they do not get a penalty, but not for removal of the penalty altogether because that is not going to happen.
there arent supposed to get a penalty for being kicked but it seems if you are not in the dungeon at the time it gives you the penalty
That sounds intentional, to me.
so the group gets put together, they are all in the dungeon, and i can't warp into it because of instance failed, and you think that is intentional?0 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I get there is a 15 min penalty when you leave a group - shouldnt be but there is.
so i get random dungeon and i fail to zone and cant get into the dungeon so i ask them to kick me and they do. AND I STILL GET A 15 MIN PENALTY.
No. The 15 minute penalty should be there. It is there to persuade players to stick with the group and give it a chance vs bailing because they do not like the dungeon or petty reasons that the CP of one player is to low.
Now that we have that out of the way, if a player is kicked from the group they should not have a penalty as they did not leave by their own choice.
So I suggest OP edit their original statement to suggest that change, that when a player is vote kicked they do not get a penalty, but not for removal of the penalty altogether because that is not going to happen.
there arent supposed to get a penalty for being kicked but it seems if you are not in the dungeon at the time it gives you the penalty
Umm, and I said players being kicked from the group should not get a penalty so I fail to see what point you are making here since you clearly state in the first sentence there should be no penalty for leaving a group and worded in a manner that there are no exceptions.
That is why I suggested you edit the OP to what you are actually trying to say. That would either be no penalty when vote kicked even if not in the dungeon yet or no penalty for leaving the group for any reason as your OP starts out. One could get Zos' attention. The other, well, Zos added the penalty because people were dropping group often for various reasons and well, that is not good for the GF.1 -
Brandathorbel✭✭✭✭✭I get there is a 15 min penalty when you leave a group - shouldnt be but there is.
so i get random dungeon and i fail to zone and cant get into the dungeon so i ask them to kick me and they do. AND I STILL GET A 15 MIN PENALTY.
No. The 15 minute penalty should be there. It is there to persuade players to stick with the group and give it a chance vs bailing because they do not like the dungeon or petty reasons that the CP of one player is to low.
Now that we have that out of the way, if a player is kicked from the group they should not have a penalty as they did not leave by their own choice.
So I suggest OP edit their original statement to suggest that change, that when a player is vote kicked they do not get a penalty, but not for removal of the penalty altogether because that is not going to happen.
there arent supposed to get a penalty for being kicked but it seems if you are not in the dungeon at the time it gives you the penalty
Umm, and I said players being kicked from the group should not get a penalty so I fail to see what point you are making here since you clearly state in the first sentence there should be no penalty for leaving a group and worded in a manner that there are no exceptions.
That is why I suggested you edit the OP to what you are actually trying to say. That would either be no penalty when vote kicked even if not in the dungeon yet or no penalty for leaving the group for any reason as your OP starts out. One could get Zos' attention. The other, well, Zos added the penalty because people were dropping group often for various reasons and well, that is not good for the GF.
but there currently isnt a penalty when being kicked, it seems to only give you the penalty if you are not in the actual dungeon when you are kicked. so if you fail to be able to get into the dungeon and they kick you, you are penalized0 -
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✭✭While I agree there should be no penalty regardless of location when a player is kicked I think you are overreacting a bit. A player being kicked while not in the dungeon is not going to be a common occurrence and 15 minutes timeout isn't really that long to wait to requeue. When I'm in timeout I will run a couple of treasure maps, surveys, steal stuff or work on crafting dailies. Before I know it the timer has popped and I can queue back up.
What gets to me more than the penalty timer is when I can't port into the dungeon. The most common is the players in the dungeon have kicked a member who hasn't left the instance. Rather than wait out the kick timer the group will either kick me or I can never join due to the instance full indication not getting reset. However even this isn't enough to get me angry because after all it is just a game and getting upset defeats the whole purpose of me playing it.0 -
Brandathorbel✭✭✭✭✭its frustration based on many things.
dungeons have been extra glitch
since dragonhold i have never done a dungeon where someone didnt crash, its bad
since last patch i am constantly crashing just trying to get into the game.
i have just never seen a game this old have so many issues. It just gets worse and worse patch after patch0 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I get there is a 15 min penalty when you leave a group - shouldnt be but there is.
so i get random dungeon and i fail to zone and cant get into the dungeon so i ask them to kick me and they do. AND I STILL GET A 15 MIN PENALTY.
No. The 15 minute penalty should be there. It is there to persuade players to stick with the group and give it a chance vs bailing because they do not like the dungeon or petty reasons that the CP of one player is to low.
Now that we have that out of the way, if a player is kicked from the group they should not have a penalty as they did not leave by their own choice.
So I suggest OP edit their original statement to suggest that change, that when a player is vote kicked they do not get a penalty, but not for removal of the penalty altogether because that is not going to happen.
there arent supposed to get a penalty for being kicked but it seems if you are not in the dungeon at the time it gives you the penalty
Umm, and I said players being kicked from the group should not get a penalty so I fail to see what point you are making here since you clearly state in the first sentence there should be no penalty for leaving a group and worded in a manner that there are no exceptions.
That is why I suggested you edit the OP to what you are actually trying to say. That would either be no penalty when vote kicked even if not in the dungeon yet or no penalty for leaving the group for any reason as your OP starts out. One could get Zos' attention. The other, well, Zos added the penalty because people were dropping group often for various reasons and well, that is not good for the GF.
but there currently isnt a penalty when being kicked, it seems to only give you the penalty if you are not in the actual dungeon when you are kicked. so if you fail to be able to get into the dungeon and they kick you, you are penalized
Again you are advocating for removing the penalty altogether, even if someone quits the group immediately. You specifically say the penalty should not be there for any reason when a player leaves a group.
So if you are only talking about making sure someone that is vote kicked does not get the penalty regardless of their location in game you need to edit the OP so it reflects that properly. As is Zos will read that first sentence and get the wrong idea then more on to the next thread.
Or do not edit the message but do not expect much to change.1 -
Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I get there is a 15 min penalty when you leave a group - shouldnt be but there is.
so i get random dungeon and i fail to zone and cant get into the dungeon so i ask them to kick me and they do. AND I STILL GET A 15 MIN PENALTY.
No. The 15 minute penalty should be there. It is there to persuade players to stick with the group and give it a chance vs bailing because they do not like the dungeon or petty reasons that the CP of one player is to low.
Now that we have that out of the way, if a player is kicked from the group they should not have a penalty as they did not leave by their own choice.
So I suggest OP edit their original statement to suggest that change, that when a player is vote kicked they do not get a penalty, but not for removal of the penalty altogether because that is not going to happen.
there arent supposed to get a penalty for being kicked but it seems if you are not in the dungeon at the time it gives you the penalty
That sounds intentional, to me.
so the group gets put together, they are all in the dungeon, and i can't warp into it because of instance failed, and you think that is intentional?
Oddly enough, you were not talking about warping to the instance failing. You were talking about the penalty. The penalty for being kicked for not joining the party sounds like it is intentional.XBox EU/NA:@ElsonsoJannus
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zvavi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Thing is, before, kicking gave no leaver penalty. Now everything gives penalty. Which is a new, not sure if intended, "feature".
It is very frustrating when it is bugged. But, but, there is no way to assure that leaver penalty won't hit innocent people, other than removing it completely.
As many said, removing it completely is bad, because leaver penalty is needed. 15 minutes is also good time, since it is the average time a group should take through random normal.
But i do think that to avoid hitting most innocent, vote kick shouldn't give penalty. If it gives penalty it can be abused by group of 3 premade trolls queuing and vote kicking intentionally.
It also shouldn't hit last two people of groups that disband. Because if they are last it is usually not their fault the group disbanded.Edited by zvavi on February 9, 2020 12:21AM0 -
Brandathorbel✭✭✭✭✭I get there is a 15 min penalty when you leave a group - shouldnt be but there is.
so i get random dungeon and i fail to zone and cant get into the dungeon so i ask them to kick me and they do. AND I STILL GET A 15 MIN PENALTY.
No. The 15 minute penalty should be there. It is there to persuade players to stick with the group and give it a chance vs bailing because they do not like the dungeon or petty reasons that the CP of one player is to low.
Now that we have that out of the way, if a player is kicked from the group they should not have a penalty as they did not leave by their own choice.
So I suggest OP edit their original statement to suggest that change, that when a player is vote kicked they do not get a penalty, but not for removal of the penalty altogether because that is not going to happen.
there arent supposed to get a penalty for being kicked but it seems if you are not in the dungeon at the time it gives you the penalty
That sounds intentional, to me.
so the group gets put together, they are all in the dungeon, and i can't warp into it because of instance failed, and you think that is intentional?
Oddly enough, you were not talking about warping to the instance failing. You were talking about the penalty. The penalty for being kicked for not joining the party sounds like it is intentional.
yes i was. The reason i had to get kicked was because i couldnt warp to them. And when they kicked me i got a penalty.0 -
Brandathorbel✭✭✭✭✭Thing is, before, kicking gave no leaver penalty. Now everything gives penalty. Which is a new, not sure if intended, "feature".
It is very frustrating when it is bugged. But, but, there is no way to assure that leaver penalty won't hit innocent people, other than removing it completely.
As many said, removing it completely is bad, because leaver penalty is needed. 15 minutes is also good time, since it is the average time a group should take through random normal.
But i do think that to avoid hitting most innocent, vote kick shouldn't give penalty. If it gives penalty it can be abused by group of 3 premade trolls queuing and vote kicking intentionally.
It also shouldn't hit last two people of groups that disband. Because if they are last it is usually not their fault the group disbanded.
A lot of problems would be solved if they split the random for dlc and non dlc. As it is now, its not balanced. I get 8 to 9 out of 10 dlc dungeons on random. Today i did 5 randoms. 4 of them were icp. the odds of that happening is staggering so i think there is somethign wrong with this so called random which really isnt random at all. in 3 years of playing, i have only got random on city of ash 2, once. There are so many dungeons that seem to hardly ever pop on randoms and others that seem to happen way too often.
something is broken. So just split the damn things and that solves one issue with what people complained about.
the fake tank and healer will never change.0 -
Agenericname✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I get there is a 15 min penalty when you leave a group - shouldnt be but there is.
so i get random dungeon and i fail to zone and cant get into the dungeon so i ask them to kick me and they do. AND I STILL GET A 15 MIN PENALTY.
No. The 15 minute penalty should be there. It is there to persuade players to stick with the group and give it a chance vs bailing because they do not like the dungeon or petty reasons that the CP of one player is to low.
Now that we have that out of the way, if a player is kicked from the group they should not have a penalty as they did not leave by their own choice.
So I suggest OP edit their original statement to suggest that change, that when a player is vote kicked they do not get a penalty, but not for removal of the penalty altogether because that is not going to happen.
there arent supposed to get a penalty for being kicked but it seems if you are not in the dungeon at the time it gives you the penalty
That sounds intentional, to me.
so the group gets put together, they are all in the dungeon, and i can't warp into it because of instance failed, and you think that is intentional?
Oddly enough, you were not talking about warping to the instance failing. You were talking about the penalty. The penalty for being kicked for not joining the party sounds like it is intentional.
yes i was. The reason i had to get kicked was because i couldnt warp to them. And when they kicked me i got a penalty.
That's less a problem with the penalty than the dungeon finder. If the dungeon finder worked properly and the penalty applied when vote kicked and the player was outside the instance, that would be closer to fair.
They could remove the penalty for being kicked while inside the dungeon and it wouldn't bother me, but the problem seem to lie with bugs in the DF.0 -
Drako_Ei✭✭✭✭✭We need a quick reset instance option... like a vote or so, because thanks to this, no death archivements/farm runs are so painful for new players.0
