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Please completely remove the ability to use troll tank builds in PVP, It's not healthy for the game.
Nyladreas
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I'm pretty sick of running into people with unlimited healing, 60K hp, who spam nothing but stuns , just casually standing in place, most likely blocking an objective, or something similar.
I know that multiple people can kill them, that's not the point, in 1v1, 1v2 or even 1v3 situations its unbearably boring, and actually kind of a turn off from the game. There is literally nothing you can do about a person like that, and when there are 2 friends like that, you kind of feel like just closing the game and leaving the room.
Edited by Nyladreas on February 6, 2020 8:29PM I know that multiple people can kill them, that's not the point, in 1v1, 1v2 or even 1v3 situations its unbearably boring, and actually kind of a turn off from the game. There is literally nothing you can do about a person like that, and when there are 2 friends like that, you kind of feel like just closing the game and leaving the room.
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Nyladreas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭SpacemanSpiff1 wrote: »dont engage them. move on to another objective.
The problem arises when they engage you, regardless of how much you try to avoid THEM. lol22 -
xWarbrain✭✭✭✭✭SpacemanSpiff1 wrote: »dont engage them. move on to another objective.
How dare you make a logical suggestion like this? The evil people that run this game should completely redo everything because this guy cant kill a tank with 60k health that casually stands in place.
Like he said:There is literally nothing you can do about a person like that
Literally nothing! Walk around them? We're not all pro gamers!Edited by xWarbrain on February 6, 2020 8:55PMXB1 NA
Your nerf suggestion is dumb. Learn to counter other players instead of having the game rebuilt to your ability level.15 -
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✭I miss blazing shields
btw I was even never using it xD as was nto playing templar in these days...but I miss it1 -
spekdah✭✭✭Mixed with resource towers... tedious would be an understatement.
Normally people say just avoid,but sometimes you can't.
Wish they would add some vMA style traps inside resource towers with some beefed up NPC's. That would go along way and it's seems such a small change.
So much more potential in the siege warfare but nothing has happened in ages.
Would be nice to be able to alter the area outside keeps with resources, i.e. setup killing fields, trenches that kill movement etc. Hell id even settle for another siege weapon with a huge AoE caltrops. Just something.
Or a new siiege skill line, be able to call in artillery from the assault skill line if in range of a keep. Dig tunnels under walls (has cooldown so can't be used to bring in a zerg, but a stealthy types). Etc
Meanwhile have some dungeon DLC's.
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GimpyPorcupine✭✭✭✭✭Time is a resource, and by wasting yours, that guy's winning, and laughing all the while.8-hr/day casual on Xbox NA. 20 Characters, all DC, all Level 50. +2900CP17 -
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✭✭Ya let's nerf tanks into ground. PVPers crying already killed pve healers.
L2P zergling. If you cant kill the tank, move on, most likely he cant kill you either.23 -
Nyladreas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Ya let's nerf tanks into ground. PVPers crying already killed pve healers.
L2P zergling. If you cant kill the tank, move on, most likely he cant kill you either.
Have not stepped inside cyrodiil once in my life. So keep the zergling insult to yourself. I'm specifically talking about only BGs and IC (Soloplay), where its actually and seriously annoying to run into these guys, especially if they keep following you.
Also, who said anything about PvE? there are tons of tools that ZOS can use that would only nerf them in PvP, without ever affecting PvE.Edited by Nyladreas on February 6, 2020 9:08PM8 -
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✭Your post makes no sense. Why would you try to 1v1 a tank in PvP?
Beyond building your ultimate off of them to kill their friends I don’t really see the point.
An tanks are part of strategy, not useless. As you get more experience in PvP you will learn such things. Good luck
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✭Ya let's nerf tanks into ground. PVPers crying already killed pve healers.
L2P zergling. If you cant kill the tank, move on, most likely he cant kill you either.
Have not stepped inside cyrodiil once in my life. So keep the zergling insult to yourself. I'm specifically talking about only BGs and IC (Soloplay), where its actually and seriously annoying to run into these guys, especially if they keep following you.
Also, who said anything about PvE? there are tons of tools that ZOS can use that would only nerf them in PvP, without ever affecting PvE.
Troll tank is part of the game and has even some usefull roles. For example keep brainless players punching into them while they loose Flags/keeps and more.13 -
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✭✭✭✭✭xXMeowMeowXx wrote: »Your post makes no sense. Why would you try to 1v1 a tank in PvP?
Beyond building your ultimate off of them to kill their friends I don’t really see the point.
An tanks are part of strategy, not useless. As you get more experience in PvP you will learn such things. Good luck
I like that, "get more experience". People think if you complain about something then you obviously havent played enough. OP is right, there's no avoiding them if they dont let you avoid them.CP2,100 Master Explorer - AvA Two Star Warlord - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
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✭Please completely remove the ability to make posts like these, it's not healthy for the game.Veit ég aðég hékk vindga meiði á nætr allar níu, geiri undaðr og gefinn Oðni, sjálfr sjálfum mér, á þeim meiði er manngi veit hvers hann af rótum rennr.27 -
Vyvrhel✭✭✭I'm pretty sick of running into people with unlimited healing, 60K hp, who spam nothing but stuns , just casually standing in place, most likely blocking an objective, or something similar.
I know that multiple people can kill them, that's not the point, in 1v1, 1v2 or even 1v3 situations its unbearably boring, and actually kind of a turn off from the game. There is literally nothing you can do about a person like that, and when there are 2 friends like that, you kind of feel like just closing the game and leaving the room.
It's pretty tiresome that all these enraged kids who were not served the victory on the silver plate as they are used to keep to whine all over the whole forums with their "nerf everything I do not like" requests.
Now what about to get constructive. Instead of "nerf this" ask to be given some tool to counteract whatever makes you triggered.4 -
faeeichenlaub✭✭✭✭Nerf a play style.... So tired. All these build serve some bizarre purposes. And fill a niche need. I dont play a tank at all. But I understand a pretty good tactic when I see one. Send an unkillable tank to the front door of a keep 20-30 toons jump from the wall to kill the antagonist. Finally after much ado about nothing. The Keep wall in the rear has been seiged to oblivion and zerg is in the keep and nobody noticed.
Its a valid strategy. Let people play."Azura give me strength, Let my voice change the world as long as I am in it."7 -
jadarock✭✭✭✭✭I recieved a message a month or two ago while playing on my troll cro saying people like me killed the xbox eu server . I was healing and tanking some damage for an outnumbered group of AD at Roe thats all . I was like wtf a non meta healer killing the game?
Its a niche roll they more than likely aren't killing anyone so ignore them unless you have back up and or they are holding an objective. If the objective is really that important it's your faction/teams job to bring enough dps to deal with tanks. ..
I'm sure the polish on horseback didnt like fighting nazis and their tanks during ww2 either but that's war
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✭✭Buff DOTs! Buff defile! Buff bleeds! Buff oblivion damage!
Trolling is one thing. Yet, there’s a plenty of fools crutching on tank builds. They running that trash and acting like they doing something. Kill them if it takes the faction. Then bags!2 -
Noctus✭✭✭✭✭SpacemanSpiff1 wrote: »dont engage them. move on to another objective.GimpyPorcupine wrote: »Time is a resource, and by wasting yours, that guy's winning, and laughing all the while.xXMeowMeowXx wrote: »Your post makes no sense. Why would you try to 1v1 a tank in PvP?
Beyond building your ultimate off of them to kill their friends I don’t really see the point.
An tanks are part of strategy, not useless. As you get more experience in PvP you will learn such things. Good luckArtorias24 wrote: »Ya let's nerf tanks into ground. PVPers crying already killed pve healers.
L2P zergling. If you cant kill the tank, move on, most likely he cant kill you either.
Have not stepped inside cyrodiil once in my life. So keep the zergling insult to yourself. I'm specifically talking about only BGs and IC (Soloplay), where its actually and seriously annoying to run into these guys, especially if they keep following you.
Also, who said anything about PvE? there are tons of tools that ZOS can use that would only nerf them in PvP, without ever affecting PvE.
Troll tank is part of the game and has even some usefull roles. For example keep brainless players punching into them while they loose Flags/keeps and more.
did u ever set food in high mmr bg matches or played with good pvpers. u can hit up to a mill heals in bg while beeing able to tank 3 players at once for ever. there is a huge inbalance becouse healing and tanking goes hand in hand vs dmg output. healing and tanking sets rarely get any nerf but dps sets especially dmg proc ones do. (i mean whats so skillfull in receiving free resource and healing while on the other hand u can block or dodge dmg procs with skill and reflexes. whats the deal ? )
skillfull glasscannon builds are dead. pvp is getting carried by set and number advantage. reflexes and timing aint needed anymore since u can tank so many hits. when was the last time u saw a 1 vs x video and thought urself "wow if he wouldnt have roll dodge/block that with his reflexes he would have died". SKILL in this game is dead there is only build knowledge that carry the long time players vs the yolo just4fun community that just doesnt give a *** which are mainly concerned about not wanting to ride back to their zerg and healers. (so ofc all zerglings will be against any dmg buff or healtank nerf) <--- thats why they mostly play cp pvp.
im sticking to my heal/tank build.Edited by Noctus on February 6, 2020 9:55PM3 -
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✭Healing and survivability are off the hook all around. Of course those specced entirely into those 2 things are more obnoxious than ever. This doesn't mean they need to be deleted. Let's wait for this Blastbones meta and re-evaluate?
Edited by Urzigurumash on February 6, 2020 10:02PMXbox NA AD / Day 1 ScrubDK / Wood Orc Cuisine Enthusiast2 -
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✭✭SpacemanSpiff1 wrote: »dont engage them. move on to another objective.
How dare you make a logical suggestion like this? The evil people that run this game should completely redo everything because this guy cant kill a tank with 60k health that casually stands in place.
Like he said:There is literally nothing you can do about a person like that
Literally nothing! Walk around them? We're not all pro gamers!
The issue I believe that OP pointing out is that a PvP tank will keep you in combat and continually engage you.2 -
Noctus✭✭✭✭✭SpacemanSpiff1 wrote: »dont engage them. move on to another objective.
How dare you make a logical suggestion like this? The evil people that run this game should completely redo everything because this guy cant kill a tank with 60k health that casually stands in place.
Like he said:There is literally nothing you can do about a person like that
Literally nothing! Walk around them? We're not all pro gamers!
The issue I believe that OP pointing out is that a PvP tank will keep you in combat and continually engage you.
while they heal the *** out of ur enemies and stun u. its one thing when a healer in light armor heals alot. it makes sense he has paper armor and specced into healing and if he dont use his teammates to bodyblock the dmg he dies (thats balance). so yeh healers should heal alot but a tank in heavy armor going above 500 k heals or over a million is just ridiculous.
the relation between tankiness to the capability of healing needs to be reworked. even in pve i just dont need a healer as a tank.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Ya let's nerf tanks into ground. PVPers crying already killed pve healers.
L2P zergling. If you cant kill the tank, move on, most likely he cant kill you either.
Have not stepped inside cyrodiil once in my life. So keep the zergling insult to yourself. I'm specifically talking about only BGs and IC (Soloplay), where its actually and seriously annoying to run into these guys, especially if they keep following you.
If you haven't ever set foot in Cyrodiil in your life, how about editing the title to reflect that you are talking about BGs and IC instead of all PVP areas?
Thing is, in Cyrodiil, not only are troll tanks easier to ignore, but they are much better balanced in an environment designed for large scale combat. In Cyrodiil, you can pull a lot more than 4 to 8 players to deal with a troll tank if you want to for some reason, unlike BGs.2 -
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✭the relation between tankiness to the capability of healing needs to be reworked.
It is being massively re-worked thanks to the improvements to Blastbones. Heavy armor builds will have much more trouble roll-dodging out of it than medium armor builds. Just wait a few weeks and then see how it is?
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✭✭✭Once a solo tank draws NPC aggro in IC, they tend to get stuck in a district, because it takes them so long to kill the NPCs. That might be the reason for them trying to draw you into a fight, so you can't leave either. I've never seen this, though, and they won't succeed against a cloaking nightblade or streaking sorc. Maybe bring some invisibility potions next time.1 -
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✭✭✭✭SpacemanSpiff1 wrote: »dont engage them. move on to another objective.
How dare you make a logical suggestion like this? The evil people that run this game should completely redo everything because this guy cant kill a tank with 60k health that casually stands in place.
Like he said:There is literally nothing you can do about a person like that
Literally nothing! Walk around them? We're not all pro gamers!
The issue I believe that OP pointing out is that a PvP tank will keep you in combat and continually engage you.
Exactly my point. It's those that just won't ever leave you alone and just keep purposefully ruining your experience. I know to avoid them in groups and pick off regular build folk damn well enough.
Would at least be nice if we had actual counters.0 -
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✭✭Exactly my point. It's those that just won't ever leave you alone and just keep purposefully ruining your experience. I know to avoid them in groups and pick off regular build folk damn well enough.
Would at least be nice if we had actual counters.
The only thing I could suggest is having a high pen and debuff setup. I know it's not quite ideal.Edited by D0PAMINE on February 6, 2020 10:48PM0 -
Nirntrotter✭✭✭✭✭In general the damage and heal debuffs in Cyro and BGs could use some adjusting imho.0 -
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✭@Nyladreas
What you describe is just as likely to be a low HP shield-spamming Light armor Sorc, or a constant roll-dodger in Medium, both being Vampires with their Undeath, as it is a high HP permablocker, who probably isn't a Vampire.
Again, everybody's healing is too high, everybody's damage is too low (besides Jabs).Xbox NA AD / Day 1 ScrubDK / Wood Orc Cuisine Enthusiast0 -
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✭✭✭✭Urzigurumash wrote: »@Nyladreas
What you describe is just as likely to be a low HP shield-spamming Light armor Sorc, or a constant roll-dodger in Medium, both being Vampires with their Undeath, as it is a high HP permablocker, who probably isn't a Vampire.
Again, everybody's healing is too high, everybody's damage is too low (besides Jabs).
While annoying or aggravating you can still easily deal with those, but it shouldn't be so tedious. The real tanks with no damage make me really sad though.Edited by Nyladreas on February 6, 2020 10:51PM0 -
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✭If you're specifically complaining about tanks in BGs, are these tanks winning Death Match? If so you're at a gutter tier MMR. Are they winning the objective modes? Good, they should be, but I promise you a team of 4 tanks is not winning Relic versus a team of 1 tank, 1 healer, and 2 DDs.Xbox NA AD / Day 1 ScrubDK / Wood Orc Cuisine Enthusiast1 -
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✭✭✭✭Urzigurumash wrote: »If you're specifically complaining about tanks in BGs, are these tanks winning Death Match? If so you're at a gutter tier MMR. Are they winning the objective modes? Good, they should be, but I promise you a team of 4 tanks is not winning Relic versus a team of 1 tank, 1 healer, and 2 DDs.
They're not winning the games usually, they never win DM. At least I haven't seen that happen once in my life. they're just extremely annoying, especially on games that I que solo or games that don't fill. The worst of all is chaos ball for obvious reasons, but that's beyond my original point. I'm just mad at those that specifically target you to ruin your day, or simply become an annoying hunk of unbreakable rock on a flag.
Speaking of MMR I'm pretty sure that's all bugged to hell considering I see well known people in high MMR on the daily but occasionally there's an under 160 CP fellow getting utterly destroyed. More than one even.Edited by Nyladreas on February 6, 2020 10:58PM0
