How’s magblade (PVE)

Icy_Waffles · February 2020

I haven’t played in a while. Getting back into the swing of things. I played magblade before I left and really enjoyed the character. I’ve kept up somewhat on some of the major changes in the game.

How’s magblade?
Dps?
Sustain?

I have Zaan, mothers sorrow front bar, VMA back at, and regular false gods devotion.

Freakin_Hytte · February 2020

It's currently one of the worst for end game, on basically all points unfortunately.

Icy_Waffles · February 2020

Dang. What I liked about it besides the feel was the ability to have some healing come in as you did your damage. Slight tweaking made dungeon runs without a heavier very easy etc.

Which mag class may fall into this category currently? Good dps, semi decent sustain (I know sustain is currently trash overall ugh cmon) and ability to provide some semi decent self heals as you do damage?

I don’t really have any of the Stam sets to run Stam- hoping to get a mag char going so I can begin to acquire some.

Danksta · February 2020

DPS is solid, sustain is still godly and the rotation is a little easier.

Freakin_Hytte · February 2020

Icy_Waffles wrote: »

Dang. What I liked about it besides the feel was the ability to have some healing come in as you did your damage. Slight tweaking made dungeon runs without a heavier very easy etc.

Which mag class may fall into this category currently? Good dps, semi decent sustain (I know sustain is currently trash overall ugh cmon) and ability to provide some semi decent self heals as you do damage?

I don’t really have any of the Stam sets to run Stam- hoping to get a mag char going so I can begin to acquire some.

You can still play it, it's quite easy with the current power creep to hit 60k+ dps with all classes. It's just that you won't top the dps charts

slap on mother's sorrow with false god, Vma staff on backbar and you'll be able to do every content in the game 👍

Dojohoda · February 2020

Hi, if you want to explore magblade dps, I recommend this video by t3hasiangod

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFNLLS0C4Yw

Icy_Waffles · February 2020

How to the mag classes generally compare right now? Mainly looking at dps and sustain?

Stx · February 2020

Icy_Waffles wrote: »

Dang. What I liked about it besides the feel was the ability to have some healing come in as you did your damage. Slight tweaking made dungeon runs without a heavier very easy etc.

Which mag class may fall into this category currently? Good dps, semi decent sustain (I know sustain is currently trash overall ugh cmon) and ability to provide some semi decent self heals as you do damage?

I don’t really have any of the Stam sets to run Stam- hoping to get a mag char going so I can begin to acquire some.

That sounds like magicka templar to me.

Icy_Waffles · February 2020

I didn’t want to make another topic. My experience is pretty much mainly mag blade and mag sorc. Although I actually have leveled Stam and mag characters of each class. Lol

OWLTHEMAD · February 2020

Magblades are still pretty solid, (and in my opinion rank top on the fun chart) they need a lot of work but more or less play the same as a couple years ago, though now we have a few more options from class abilities. (Shade and lotus fan are both viable now) I dont think the rotation has gotten easier though. You havd to go full dynamic on rotation *** get good performance and a single missed weave can throw off your whole parse by a disproportionate amount of dps because suddenly things arent lining up. Still really solid sustain though elemental weapon meta and lag make again missing a weave a harshly punished mistake.

Swallow soul is still d ed cent, though i like running funnel health in lieu of a shield instead and just recasting every so many seconds.

Iskiab · February 2020

Even though it’s not meta I still like pve healing on my magblade for dungeons. I use master architect, mother’s sorrow and iceheart. Invig drain and resto Ult spam. Maybe it’s because I started as a magblade, or because spears is not as good, but I like pve healing as a magblade best.

Kahnak · February 2020

You can say that Magblade is one of the worst and be objectively correct, but the difference between Magblade and the next class in line is something like 1 or 2K. Even Stam Necromancer isn't doing more than 5 or 6k more and that is at the very top end. The differences in these classes don't really even emerge unless you're in the top 5% - 10% of players. My suggestion would be to play whatever class you enjoy. It may not be on top right now, but with the way ZOS is with their balance changes, it WILL be eventually.

MartiniDaniels · February 2020

Magblade is fine in U24. Next patch - not sure.

Icy_Waffles · February 2020

How about the other question- sustain. Who am I looking at for decent sustain these days?

Danksta · February 2020

OWLTHEMAD wrote: »

Magblades are still pretty solid, (and in my opinion rank top on the fun chart) they need a lot of work but more or less play the same as a couple years ago, though now we have a few more options from class abilities. (Shade and lotus fan are both viable now) I dont think the rotation has gotten easier though. You havd to go full dynamic on rotation *** get good performance and a single missed weave can throw off your whole parse by a disproportionate amount of dps because suddenly things arent lining up. Still really solid sustain though elemental weapon meta and lag make again missing a weave a harshly punished mistake.

Swallow soul is still d ed cent, though i like running funnel health in lieu of a shield instead and just recasting every so many seconds.

You can go with a static rotation and still hit mid 80s at least.

Silent99 · February 2020

Magblade Main here so might be a bit bias.

Pros:
-Dps wise its the 2nd / 3rd highest for pure single target MAG dps, according to Likos parses for this patch :
Mag Dk : 89k
Mag Necro : 88k
Mag Nb : 88k
It is NOT the worst for endgame , everything can be completed as magblade including Godslayer which is the hardest PVE achievement to get atm

-Sustain is fine , its not as good as it once was but its still better than other classes

-Good survivability , swallow soul can be used as a spamamble which also heals.

-Really fun to play , but thats subjective

Cons:
-Not much group Utility, the only thing it gives the group is minor savagery. You could use Mater Architect but even that isnt used as much especially in stam heavy group where they are using lokke. (MA is still a good set tho)

Iskiab · February 2020

Icy_Waffles wrote: »

How about the other question- sustain. Who am I looking at for decent sustain these days?

For good sustain Magwarden. Magplars have good sustain too but it’s tied to their armour ability, IDK if they use that in pve. For wardens I assume they would use netch so would be the best.

PvE’s weird in a sense. From a class perspective magsorc is the best, followed by magplar, then MagWarden, Magblade, Magnecro then MagDK... but some classes have good enough sustain they don’t use their class sustain ability in pve, others do.

Like most pvers say magblade has better sustain then magsorc, but in reality magsorcs in pve never use dark conversion and magblades all use siphoning strikes. All that matters is dps and what’s the most efficient way to dps, but if you wanted to build for sustain I wouldn’t play a magblade.

OWLTHEMAD · February 2020

Danksta wrote: »

OWLTHEMAD wrote: »

Magblades are still pretty solid, (and in my opinion rank top on the fun chart) they need a lot of work but more or less play the same as a couple years ago, though now we have a few more options from class abilities. (Shade and lotus fan are both viable now) I dont think the rotation has gotten easier though. You havd to go full dynamic on rotation *** get good performance and a single missed weave can throw off your whole parse by a disproportionate amount of dps because suddenly things arent lining up. Still really solid sustain though elemental weapon meta and lag make again missing a weave a harshly punished mistake.

Swallow soul is still d ed cent, though i like running funnel health in lieu of a shield instead and just recasting every so many seconds.

You can go with a static rotation and still hit mid 80s at least.

If youve got a source or video on that id love to see it. My best is above 70 on trial dummy (but only 43 this patch on 3 mil, hmmm) dont know by how much, and that is with a semi dynamic rotation. Now granted i could probably squeek out a little more if i missed 0 weaves but that seems to be harder this patch then last and i havent been able to figure out why.

Fully static rotation drops me down to somewhere around 37k on 3 mil, havent done it on trial in awhile, but it was mid 60s i think last time on trial dummy.

Always trying to improve so i would love to see this magic (no sarcasm) static rotation in action and break it down for my use.

(Im on console by the way)

FrancisCrawford · February 2020

The class or spec with the highest sustainable DPS is whichever one you're personally best at playing. Magblade rotations are easy to botch. MagDK and some magplar builds require proper melee positioning and the associated damage avoidance; ditto for most stamina builds. Necros need to do corpse management correctly. Etc.

thadjarvis · February 2020

If you compare sustain without symmetry, many players find NB towards the top.

But really if you want sustain Breton and/or vampire on any class would be worth considering. I think you should have gotten 3 race change tokens even if you weren't active when the race changes occurred last year.

In mag trials sustain can be really easy as some things changed last year: everyone gets to synergize each orb, a new sustain monster set many healers wear, false god, and a healer sustain set that can provide 3x+ of what Worms did. But in mixed groups (leaving synergies for Lokk) and if those sets aren't in use it can feel noticeably lower.

Icy_Waffles · February 2020

Great feedback so far. I really appreciate it even if the topic has widened.

How about easier to learn rotations outside of magblade? Again, I’m also used to sorc both pet and non-pet. Looking for something I can readily get into to have a quicker transition- get to farming some more etc.

OWLTHEMAD · February 2020

Well if you liked magblade and performed decently on it before, the rotation hasnt really changed.

But, and im not speaking from personal experience here so hopefully someone else can chime in, templar is supposed to be the easiest rotation to learn/perform then after that i think is your sorc. Pet sorc especially, but all my pet sorc buddies say their dps took a MAJOR hit with dragonhold. So i would say to probably go without pets.

SidraWillowsky · February 2020

It's... fine. Feels kinda dull- over the past year or so, magblades got completely gutted. It happened to stamblades too in the end, but for magblades the process was slow and drawn-out. The NB class as a whole just seems hollow right now. After tearing the class apart, the "fix" was to buff Twisting Path to the point where magblades can pull decent DPS...but adding damage to one skill doesn't undo all of the other changes that have resulted in a loss of class identity.

My main is a Magden but I play quite a bit on a Magplar and will sometimes dust off the Magblade. The good news for you is that the Magblade has zero issues with sustain even without False Gods, whereas the Magden struggles a bit and the Magplar struggles big-time.

Magden and Magblade both have rotations that are quite dynamic, but whereas Magden's is pretty forgiving and flows pretty nicely when you get the hang of it, Magblade's has always been a weavy, unforgiving nightmare for me. Mistakes are punished heavily... though do bear in mind that I've never felt fully comfortable with the Magblade class in general. Maybe this is just a "me" issue and that I'm just clunky with it.

At this point I guess that the only mag DD class that I haven't tried at all is mag sorc. Of the rest, I personally find Magblade to be the least engaging to play on. Magdens have wings and Winter's Revenge and Shalks, Magplars have shards and Jesus Beam and jabbies, Magcros have.... IDK; I made one in the PTS a few days ago and only parsed with her a few times, but whatever it was that I was doing had a nice flow to it, MagDK I haven't played in a long time but the fire is fun, and then I'm over here on the Magblade stressed the hell out because half of my skills are timing out at the same time and the spectral bow didn't fire when I told it to.

mocap · February 2020

sustain - very good
self heals - outstanding
rotation - easy and fun (love that spectral bow proc)
dps - absolutely on the same line as others, except stam necro

don't listen players nonsense (more like BS) about magblade as worst char.

Joxer61 · February 2020

mocap wrote: »

don't listen players nonsense (more like BS) about magblade as worst char.

yea, just check Esologs...they everywhere!!

And0ssus · February 2020

Magblade ist still fine.
Rotation got pretty ez. The longer Uptime in grim Focus and the new Uptimes on some aoes and Dots make it more static now.
Sustain is god Like on Magblade.
I still run max food on my Highelf Nightblade in my Group. (Hollowfang is such a nice Thing 😄)
That constant speedbuff is pretty nice top.
DPS wise Magblade isn't bad at all.
Of Course, MagDK is stronger right now, but thats it.
Every other Mag Class doesn't do more DMG ... they do about the same or even less.

mocap · February 2020

Joxer61 wrote: »

yea, just check Esologs...they everywhere!!

cuz of group buffs. But since OP didn't mention anything about how NB can provide group buffs, magnb is still very good

Icy_Waffles · February 2020

Yeah... I am not really going for godslayer lol... just would like to get back to vet trials etc.

Danksta · February 2020

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OWLTHEMAD wrote: »

Danksta wrote: »

OWLTHEMAD wrote: »

Magblades are still pretty solid, (and in my opinion rank top on the fun chart) they need a lot of work but more or less play the same as a couple years ago, though now we have a few more options from class abilities. (Shade and lotus fan are both viable now) I dont think the rotation has gotten easier though. You havd to go full dynamic on rotation *** get good performance and a single missed weave can throw off your whole parse by a disproportionate amount of dps because suddenly things arent lining up. Still really solid sustain though elemental weapon meta and lag make again missing a weave a harshly punished mistake.

Swallow soul is still d ed cent, though i like running funnel health in lieu of a shield instead and just recasting every so many seconds.

You can go with a static rotation and still hit mid 80s at least.

If youve got a source or video on that id love to see it. My best is above 70 on trial dummy (but only 43 this patch on 3 mil, hmmm) dont know by how much, and that is with a semi dynamic rotation. Now granted i could probably squeek out a little more if i missed 0 weaves but that seems to be harder this patch then last and i havent been able to figure out why.

Fully static rotation drops me down to somewhere around 37k on 3 mil, havent done it on trial in awhile, but it was mid 60s i think last time on trial dummy.

Always trying to improve so i would love to see this magic (no sarcasm) static rotation in action and break it down for my use.

(Im on console by the way)

I'm also on console. This parse was just after the patch dropped and was a bit laggy so I had to slow it down a little more than I should have to. I'm also not the best magblade and there's no bash weaving. A better player could probably hit 87-88k with this rotation with some bash weaving.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZGkMqjNtqY

@OWLTHEMAD

El_Borracho · February 2020

Icy_Waffles wrote: »

How to the mag classes generally compare right now? Mainly looking at dps and sustain?

Sorcs are still strong. I run pet and a non-pet versions frequently in raids and dungeons. No complaints. Damage, shields, healing, sustain is all strong. Its my go-to in pug runs.

Just leveled up a mag DK, wearing FGD + Spell Strat + Grothdarr. Having a great time and it feels really powerful. Getting used to the no dedicated heals thing, might go get vigor just in case. Haven't run vet trial yet with it yet. So far, strong damage and sustain. Not as tanky as his stamina cousin, but still getting the rotation down

OWLTHEMAD · February 2020

Danksta wrote: »

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OWLTHEMAD wrote: »

Danksta wrote: »

OWLTHEMAD wrote: »

Magblades are still pretty solid, (and in my opinion rank top on the fun chart) they need a lot of work but more or less play the same as a couple years ago, though now we have a few more options from class abilities. (Shade and lotus fan are both viable now) I dont think the rotation has gotten easier though. You havd to go full dynamic on rotation *** get good performance and a single missed weave can throw off your whole parse by a disproportionate amount of dps because suddenly things arent lining up. Still really solid sustain though elemental weapon meta and lag make again missing a weave a harshly punished mistake.

Swallow soul is still d ed cent, though i like running funnel health in lieu of a shield instead and just recasting every so many seconds.

You can go with a static rotation and still hit mid 80s at least.

If youve got a source or video on that id love to see it. My best is above 70 on trial dummy (but only 43 this patch on 3 mil, hmmm) dont know by how much, and that is with a semi dynamic rotation. Now granted i could probably squeek out a little more if i missed 0 weaves but that seems to be harder this patch then last and i havent been able to figure out why.

Fully static rotation drops me down to somewhere around 37k on 3 mil, havent done it on trial in awhile, but it was mid 60s i think last time on trial dummy.

Always trying to improve so i would love to see this magic (no sarcasm) static rotation in action and break it down for my use.

(Im on console by the way)

I'm also on console. This parse was just after the patch dropped and was a bit laggy so I had to slow it down a little more than I should have to. I'm also not the best magblade and there's no bash weaving. A better player could probably hit 87-88k with this rotation with some bash weaving.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZGkMqjNtqY

@OWLTHEMAD

Thats pretty awesome, what gear and race were you running for this? (Dont need the full deets just sets and race though i can probably guess)

Its not that different from my static, but definitely gets better numbers. I dont futs with bash weaving. Id never use it in a live scenario, so why use it on a parse?

What changes do you make to your bar for actual content? I notice you dont have space for a shield or self heal and i prefer to test my dps closer to what ill actually run in a dungeo /trial.