Magic shields should act like blocking and drain magica
Shadowasrial
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Shield spamming is still a thing and to be honest it’s a very cheesy thing. Stam classes have to either dodge or block in order to mitigate or avoid damage where shields just soak the damage until you need to reapply it for a small cost compared to blocking( if your not a s&b tank)
In my opinion magic users should have to rely on the same damage mitigating mechanics as stam. Your damage shields should all be toggle and you don’t take damage as long as you have the magic to keep it up. Taking hits should drain that magic to the point where your drained if your not actively trying to avoid damage.
In my opinion magic users should have to rely on the same damage mitigating mechanics as stam. Your damage shields should all be toggle and you don’t take damage as long as you have the magic to keep it up. Taking hits should drain that magic to the point where your drained if your not actively trying to avoid damage.
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UppGRAYxDD✭✭✭✭✭
✭No problem, if I can dodgeroll with magicka...."Stendarr's mercy be upon you, for the vigil has none to spare."10 -
Malkiv✭✭✭✭✭Setting aside that stam players also have access to damage shields, and that this would affect PvE in detrimental way, I believe it's worth noting that magicka-based shield cost is in-line for the cost, duration, and mitigation of holding the right mouse button. You cannot spam shields in the same vein that you cannot spam dodge - It's impractical, and depletes the resource pool used for offensive skills.PC-NA | PvP (Gray Host & BGs) | PvE (vTrials & vDGs)6 -
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TheFM✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Shadowasrial wrote: »Shield spamming is still a thing and to be honest it’s a very cheesy thing. Stam classes have to either dodge or block in order to mitigate or avoid damage where shields just soak the damage until you need to reapply it for a small cost compared to blocking( if your not a s&b tank)
In my opinion magic users should have to rely on the same damage mitigating mechanics as stam. Your damage shields should all be toggle and you don’t take damage as long as you have the magic to keep it up. Taking hits should drain that magic to the point where your drained if your not actively trying to avoid damage.
When blocking costs 4 k per hit, get back to us.5 -
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✭✭they do cost magicka, they break if hit with enough damage. and they time out regardless of damage taken.7 -
Shadowasrial✭✭✭✭✭
✭Dodging does cost more than a shield and unlike damage shields that last for multiple hits a dodge only avoids one hit forcing you to dodge multiple times if you want to keep avoiding the damage and each dodge increases in cost until you are out. Where a damage shield can just be reapplied over and over for the same cost. How can you compare dodging when people run around with 15-30k damage shields1 -
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✭SpacemanSpiff1 wrote: »they do cost magicka, they break if hit with enough damage. and they time out regardless of damage taken.
When mag players are running around withn15-30k magic shields it takes a considerable amount of damage to break it when they can just recast it for a measly 4K mag when they have around 35-40k mag. And to say that stamina has damage shields that do no scale in proportion to mag users is redundant0 -
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✭✭Shadowasrial wrote: »Dodging does cost more than a shield and unlike damage shields that last for multiple hits a dodge only avoids one hit forcing you to dodge multiple times if you want to keep avoiding the damage and each dodge increases in cost until you are out. Where a damage shield can just be reapplied over and over for the same cost. How can you compare dodging when people run around with 15-30k damage shields
What? Dodgeroll can make you dodge literally 100 attacks if timed right. Not even comparable.7 -
Jimmy_The_Fixer✭✭✭✭✭Shielding is much more similar to healing than it is to blocking. Just think of it as a healing ability that can casted proactively at the cost of not being able to crit and losing the “health” after 6 seconds if the shield isn’t broken.2
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MishMash✭✭✭✭OH, here we go again. Shields were once 20 seconds, and because of all the crying about them, they've dropped to 6 seconds over the years. What is next you remove them?
A stam player may not realize how many times us mag users see Dodged, Dodged, Dodged, Dodged, from your armor skill?
Stop just stop already!PC NA DC 4eva! I try my very best. If it is not good enough for you too bad! Playing off and on since April 2014 CP2009.2 -
iCaliban✭✭✭✭✭
✭Imagine complaining about mag shields in 2020. Perfect example of these forums being worthless6 -
Shadowasrial✭✭✭✭✭
✭Shadowasrial wrote: »Dodging does cost more than a shield and unlike damage shields that last for multiple hits a dodge only avoids one hit forcing you to dodge multiple times if you want to keep avoiding the damage and each dodge increases in cost until you are out. Where a damage shield can just be reapplied over and over for the same cost. How can you compare dodging when people run around with 15-30k damage shields
What? Dodgeroll can make you dodge literally 100 attacks if timed right. Not even comparable.
No no it can’t. Not if you actually want to kill your opponent0 -
MishMash✭✭✭✭Dodging costs more than a shield? Stam users have recovery just like Mag players do. You try putting up a 4K skill every 6 seconds ... oh and if we stack 2 shields its 8K every 6 seconds. Give me a break!PC NA DC 4eva! I try my very best. If it is not good enough for you too bad! Playing off and on since April 2014 CP2009.3
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✭No, they shouldn't.EU PC: @logarifmik | Languages: Русский, English
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Shadowasrial✭✭✭✭✭
✭Dodging costs more than a shield? Stam users have recovery just like Mag players do. You try putting up a 4K skill every 6 seconds ... oh and if we stack 2 shields its 8K every 6 seconds. Give me a break!
Your shields can block multiple attacks and your 8k mag over 6 seconds is nothing. If have 2k mag recovery you have recovered that mag and then some0 -
NocturnalSonata✭✭✭Shadowasrial wrote: »SpacemanSpiff1 wrote: »they do cost magicka, they break if hit with enough damage. and they time out regardless of damage taken.
When mag players are running around withn15-30k magic shields it takes a considerable amount of damage to break it when they can just recast it for a measly 4K mag when they have around 35-40k mag. And to say that stamina has damage shields that do no scale in proportion to mag users is redundant
You must hit like a wet noodle, as my shields barely last a second when facing anyone but a complete pvp springling. The only time people are getting huge shields is by stacking and/or running a tank build. The former (stacking) is a massive resource drain, and only a complete pvp springling empties all their fire power onto a shield stack. Just add some constant pressure, and they run out of mag, and no more shield = easy kill... Also it is super easy to see when someone is shield stacking, so just use some tactics. Seriously, mag shields are not even remotely OP. In almost every situation, it is a l2p issue, and a complete lack of using tactical advantage / learning to be patient and timing your attacks.
As far as tank based mega shields... well, unless you are made of paper, such a build poses absolutely zero threat to you, whatsoever. Use them as an ult generator.1 -
Leeched✭✭✭✭✭15-30k shields? What year is this? LOL
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xWarbrain✭✭✭✭✭Shadowasrial wrote: »Shadowasrial wrote: »Dodging does cost more than a shield and unlike damage shields that last for multiple hits a dodge only avoids one hit forcing you to dodge multiple times if you want to keep avoiding the damage and each dodge increases in cost until you are out. Where a damage shield can just be reapplied over and over for the same cost. How can you compare dodging when people run around with 15-30k damage shields
What? Dodgeroll can make you dodge literally 100 attacks if timed right. Not even comparable.
No no it can’t. Not if you actually want to kill your opponent
100 people fire a destro staff light attack at you. You dodge roll once. You just avoided 100 attacks by timing it right.Edited by xWarbrain on February 5, 2020 3:04PMXB1 NA
Your nerf suggestion is dumb. Learn to counter other players instead of having the game rebuilt to your ability level.3 -
Malkiv✭✭✭✭✭Shadowasrial wrote: »Your shields can block multiple attacks and your 8k mag over 6 seconds is nothing. If have 2k mag recovery you have recovered that mag and then some
You're defeated by your own math and lack of knowledge of the resource mechanics. If you have 2k magicka regen, then you're only restoring 6k in 6 seconds - not over 8K.PC-NA | PvP (Gray Host & BGs) | PvE (vTrials & vDGs)5 -
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✭✭Shadowasrial wrote: »Shadowasrial wrote: »Dodging does cost more than a shield and unlike damage shields that last for multiple hits a dodge only avoids one hit forcing you to dodge multiple times if you want to keep avoiding the damage and each dodge increases in cost until you are out. Where a damage shield can just be reapplied over and over for the same cost. How can you compare dodging when people run around with 15-30k damage shields
What? Dodgeroll can make you dodge literally 100 attacks if timed right. Not even comparable.
No no it can’t. Not if you actually want to kill your opponent
Yes, yes it can, and you only need one dodge roll. Roll once, everyone attacked right before that, all attacks dodged that are dodgeable. You cant do that with any shields.2 -
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✭Shadowasrial wrote: »Dodging costs more than a shield? Stam users have recovery just like Mag players do. You try putting up a 4K skill every 6 seconds ... oh and if we stack 2 shields its 8K every 6 seconds. Give me a break!
Your shields can block multiple attacks and your 8k mag over 6 seconds is nothing. If have 2k mag recovery you have recovered that mag and then some
Dude you're burying your self more and more. You don't know how often regen ticks. Basic stuff. lol
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✭✭Shadowasrial wrote: »Dodging costs more than a shield? Stam users have recovery just like Mag players do. You try putting up a 4K skill every 6 seconds ... oh and if we stack 2 shields its 8K every 6 seconds. Give me a break!
Your shields can block multiple attacks and your 8k mag over 6 seconds is nothing. If have 2k mag recovery you have recovered that mag and then some
Dude you're burying your self more and more. You don't know how often regen ticks. Basic stuff. lol
Actually most of these nerf threads come from players who don't know how a class plays out.
Everyone should try to play a class before opening such threads.
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MishMash✭✭✭✭No, not really. Not everyone has even close to 15K+ shields, so the power of the shields used by most is so varied. You will come up against those that have those high damage shields, but from what I've seen playing this game not many have those #s. Let us not forget the shields are only 6 seconds (not 12, 18, 23, 30) even the best players can have a hard time keeping their shields up 100% of the time. What really is the problem here?PC NA DC 4eva! I try my very best. If it is not good enough for you too bad! Playing off and on since April 2014 CP2009.0
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✭✭✭Yawn. Magicka and stamina classes have different defensive mechanics. What else is new? You want to homogenize the game even more? Terrible idea.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Sure, just make it so a shielded player avoids getting CC'd, debuffed, or hit entirely and we'll have a deal.Make Rush of Agony "Monsters only." People should not be consecutively crowd controlled in a PvP setting. Period.4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Give magic shields 30k resistances, cause thats the norm around in stambuilds these days (stamgankernbs excluded)
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✭if you are willing to treat magica shields as magica blocking...then add also cc immunity while under shields to every cc even bypasssing block
why?
becasue block you can drop whenever you want, shield you will cast and so you are stuck with it active if there nothing taking it down0 -
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✭Nope (And I main stam). I refuse to call for nerfs.Veit ég aðég hékk vindga meiði á nætr allar níu, geiri undaðr og gefinn Oðni, sjálfr sjálfum mér, á þeim meiði er manngi veit hvers hann af rótum rennr.0
