Tanks ruining dungeon finder

oxygen_thief · February 2020

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

Many people play DPS because it's the easier role. (and also because leveling/soloing/questing a tank or healer in most games is also slower and/or more boring.)

you are wrong. dps is a hardest role in eso. if tank doesnt die he is a good one. if he is able to support others with healing and buffs then he is an intergalactic demigod of tanking. he can drink whiskey and smoke cigars during combat while dps should sweat over their rotation. every decent dps can be a good tank but not every good tank can be a decent dps

BejaProphet · February 2020

oxygen_thief wrote: »

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

Many people play DPS because it's the easier role. (and also because leveling/soloing/questing a tank or healer in most games is also slower and/or more boring.)

you are wrong. dps is a hardest role in eso. if tank doesnt die he is a good one. if he is able to support others with healing and buffs then he is an intergalactic demigod of tanking. he can drink whiskey and smoke cigars during combat while dps should sweat over their rotation. every decent dps can be a good tank but not every good tank can be a decent dps

You could have an intelligent discussion if which role is harder but you have over stated it to the point of nonsense.

ZonasArch · February 2020

BejaProphet wrote: »

oxygen_thief wrote: »

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

Many people play DPS because it's the easier role. (and also because leveling/soloing/questing a tank or healer in most games is also slower and/or more boring.)

you are wrong. dps is a hardest role in eso. if tank doesnt die he is a good one. if he is able to support others with healing and buffs then he is an intergalactic demigod of tanking. he can drink whiskey and smoke cigars during combat while dps should sweat over their rotation. every decent dps can be a good tank but not every good tank can be a decent dps

You could have an intelligent discussion if which role is harder but you have over stated it to the point of nonsense.

I'm pretty sure they intended to make fun using sarcasm, because that statement seems to be what elit dps people think. Dunno.

Michaelkeir · February 2020

Main Tank here. I have about 5 tanks in fact all geared and I've ran all vet dlc's to the moon and back.

I'm guilty of bailing sometimes myself. But I have a rule about it. Wait until we get to the 1st boss and see how they fair before bailing. The thing is most tanks do it because they probably been in that same situation time and time again. Queing up, loading in, and get a look at the group and on the 1st trash pull it takes them 2 minutes to clear it. 2 minutes on TRASH, lol. It's maddening. I can teach you mechanics, but I can't teach you to dps faster.

Vet dlc dungeons are the worst. Imagine loading in and slowly making your way to the first boss. Before you pull you ask in chat does everybody know mechanics. No response. So you pull. Group wipes or does something stupid. Rez and pull again. Another wipe. Someone logs off or quits. THEN the person standing in stupid finally says they don't know mechanics.

Or getting to a boss and realizing the dps doesn't have the burn needed to kill boss. Banished Cells and Moongrave keep are two that come to mind. Then they get mad when you kick them. And pull boss again right before they fade out the dungeon. (Love those types)

Or getting a dps light bow attacking or a sorc spamming Crystal drags. And when you try and give them advice. They don't respond, log off, or get smart.

Or getting a fake healer in a vet dlc dungeon and have him get made at the dps for dieing.

So yeah it's frustrating after about 10 pugs like the ones I described we get a little irritated and just bail.

Now why do some of us run pugs you ask? Well I run them to try and teach people to run the content. Or just to meet new people and make friends. It's an awesome feeling getting a pug through a dungeon they've never completed before because no one gave them a chance and I like that. I've literally got a friend list full of people who constantly ask me to tank for them so as I log in. I literally made a necro tank with the rez ultimate on my back bar who doesn't need a healer just so I could run pugs.

Grandesdar · February 2020

Chaos2088 wrote: »

I get what you mean, recently had the tank and healer try and kick the other DD cas they were only cp90, we were doing a pug vet fungal 2. I voted to keep the player all the time cas I know I can carry with the damage easy.....we did it fine and the cp90 died a few times but meh...we completed it.

It's not that we don't think you can "carry" the whole group, we think the other dd dragging the whole group down is not right. And if you keep protecting them from such acts, they will never have the chance the improve. They will think "oh I did this dungeon at 90 cp ez lul" and it leads to toxicity in the long run. I've seen it many times.

Btw, I know you don't mean it that way, but it sounds condescending to tell those support players they don't know what they're dealing with and you can just 'carry' them all with your amazingly high DPS. You don't even need another functional DD, the other guy can enjoy the ride.

If you finished that dungeon in an hour as only viable dd, imagine what two of your level dds can do!

lozq · February 2020

ZonasArch wrote: »

BejaProphet wrote: »

oxygen_thief wrote: »

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

Many people play DPS because it's the easier role. (and also because leveling/soloing/questing a tank or healer in most games is also slower and/or more boring.)

you are wrong. dps is a hardest role in eso. if tank doesnt die he is a good one. if he is able to support others with healing and buffs then he is an intergalactic demigod of tanking. he can drink whiskey and smoke cigars during combat while dps should sweat over their rotation. every decent dps can be a good tank but not every good tank can be a decent dps

You could have an intelligent discussion if which role is harder but you have over stated it to the point of nonsense.

I'm pretty sure they intended to make fun using sarcasm, because that statement seems to be what elit dps people think. Dunno.

Sarcasm or not (I can't really tell tbh) I agree, to a point. Top tier DPS is definitely challenging, and requires a hell of a lot of practice. But I'd argue that to start with it's the easiest role, and definitely the least stressful. If you're new to a game, probably the only thing you've done so far is kill stuff. And being a DD in a dungeon is....killing stuff. If things go belly up it's also reassuring that it's not all on you - if group DPS is horrendous, at least you're sharing the blame with someone else.

If you're tanking or healing and you drop the ball, things usually go to pot pretty quickly. And it's usually quite easy for everyone else to see that it was your fault. Not that they'll necessarily kick you or anything, but it's pretty stressful when you're a brand new player - hell, it's stressful for me when I'm in a dungeon I barely remember and everyone is running circles around me.

At higher levels though, I reckon it depends a lot on what content you're running. Some trials/dungeons are super rough on the tank, some not so much. Some bosses force the DD's to keep up a rotation while prancing around to avoid adds and AOE's, other times you can just stand there and whack away. Horses for courses and whatnot. Kinda like asking whether it's harder to be a surgeon or a fighter pilot - doesn't make a hell of a lot of sense to begin with, and depends a lot on what specific situation you're talking about.

I'm going to bed now. Goodnight.

idk · February 2020

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

idk wrote: »

FierceSam wrote: »

Go play a tank and solve the problem

Every one of my characters can perform multiple roles. Some can perform all three. I have tanked vet DLC dungeons on both magicka and stam DPS without changing CP or attributes. Just slotting different gear and skills.

So yes, it is a solution. Though I prefer to preform my group from one of my raid guilds and sometimes from a social guild I am in. Very smooth runs.

Fake DD is the real problem. Noone wants to be a true tank when the DDs cant pull even 5k dps.
Also some ... intellectually challenged... people seem to think that if you pull too much dps you cant POSSIBLY be a tank, even if you taunt and dont die, which seems to be the only damn job you need to DO as a tank.

This I snot the reason why dps queue as a fake tank. Be real. They are going for a quick queue. It so obvious that painting it as something else is absurd. I stopped queueing as a tank to help the GF after getting multiple groups of bad dps.

I briefly queued as a healer to try to help as I could heal groups and still out dps them. But the rare fake tank was even more pathetic than the low dps players. Not only did their dps suck but they were not bright enough to get out of mechanics that would one shot a player that was not a tank.

So yes, more often than not the fake tank is just another bad dps. Most skilled players have access to other skilled players and as such generally form their own group and avoid all of that. I tried to help but I just stick with players who I know are able to play competently.

Khrogo · February 2020

Tanks leave because they are clairvoyant. They join a group, see the 109CP Breton with the greatsword (wearing the Mannimarco costume, with a Bravil retriever at their side) and suddenly the next hour of the tank’s life flashes before their very eyes. They see themself standing there frozen, powerless, watching the grim spectacle unfold in slow motion, unable to change the outcome. It can only be described as an existential crisis for which the only solution is to select “Leave Group”.

Kombinator · February 2020

AgaTheGreat wrote: »

Being a tank main, I sometimes pug veteran pledges. At this point I can tell if someone might be a poor dd just by looking at their character. Do they have a skin? Do they have a title that proves they went through some difficult content? What CP are they? Are they quickly killing the first boss?

I always stay until the first boss, because they're usually super easy. If it takes them ages to dps it down, I'm out. People just don't want to spend hours in a dungeon and I think it's fair.

So far i was the determined until the end. But i'm kinda lining to this direction. When the group of adds take ages, then i can already tell, that we will not win in DLC stuff. Just started ESO+ so not much experience with DLC stuff. Doing as pledges give, read guide, and do it on normal first. I don't think i can be prepared better for my first vet. run.

I also see so damn many dd leaving on first wipe. Sometimes even when they die to anything.

Zatox · February 2020

Fake tanks, real healers, low CP dds ruining dungeon finder

Kombinator · February 2020

Zatox wrote: »

Fake tanks, real healers, low CP dds ruining dungeon finder

And company can't really do anything with it. Though i found CP overrated. I saw over 400CP "dd" doing 6k., and dying every single AOE. He was like a newbie not even understanding, that the big red lines, and circles are bad.

But another thing, that ruins is the damn slow replacement. If someone leaves it takes several minutes to get a replacement. Even for DD. Can't even imagine how long it would take to find a tank.

gatekeeper13 · February 2020

As a tank, I leave group in 2 situations:

1) When I join a group that has already killed 1-2 bosses required for pledge, meaning that I ll have to re-do the whole dungeon.

2) When the group dps is like 15k in dps-check dungeons e.g. Banished Cells 2.

zaria · February 2020

BejaProphet wrote: »

Of course they ought to get their act together. Hey, I pug a LOT. And I will not deny that some spectacular stupidity happens.

A few days ago I pugged vet scale caller with a girl so amazingly drunk that she ended up in Cyrodiil DURING the dungeon run not knowing how she got there.

But...

1.) That level of crazy isn’t the norm and tanks ought not take the most dramatic crap and pretend it’s 80% of groups. I think we are in the best place of all roles to see our groups succeed. There are hopeless groups, but we have it pretty good.

2.) A tank shouldn’t let three group members be one shot on an opening group. That doesn’t make him a bad person at all, it’s a game, but stopping that is his primary job and he shouldn’t walk away as if none of it is on him. (If it happened)

That’s all I’m saying.

That is pretty amazing and require some skill.

The standard is people who believe they are in normal then they are in veteran or the other way around.
Or leaving before the last boss in spindleclutch 2, forgetting that 2 has that extra room.
Or resurrect at wayshrine and then get hopelessly lost getting back to group, dying on mobs we did not kill.
All forgetting to break the crystal in fungal 2.
People forgetting to activate HM, guilty in that myself.

But how can you enter Cyrodil by accident?