Another issue being fake tanks in vet...Especially when they're bad dps as well

As a tank main, it's because so many people are bloody hopeless. I know there's plenty of exceptions to the rule, but if I see I've been pugged with a bunch of <500CP peeps in vSCP (or basically any vet DLC) and I'm pushed for time/tired then I'm going to assume it's going to take at least an hour and a lot of hand-holding to complete the dungeon. Or more likely a few wipes and everyone drops out after blaming the healer/tank/DPS/RNG/crown crates/cyro lag.

And I'm not being a knob, it's true. There's a lot of players (particularly DD's) who queue for stuff they can't reliably complete. Unless you think you can do any vet dungeon, don't queue for a random one. Some of them are really tough. Queue for them in order, or do it with friends/guildies/someone prepared to explain mechanics/people who don't mind multiple wipes. Most people can't do all the vet dungeons, and certainly not quickly - there's plenty of progression guilds out there.

I actually really like the idea of unlocking dungeons linearly, like they unlock as you level from L1 to CP160. Haven't completed vBC1? Then you can't queue for vMos. When you queue for a random, you're only queuing for the dungeons you're 'eligible' for. Would give a sense of progression, allow players to develop skills in increasingly tougher content and prevent woefully mismatched groups from getting upset when someone is useless/ditches at the start.

And as @FierceSam said, if more people spent a couple of hours levelling S+B then queues would be shorter all round. Try tanking - it's fun!

Tank here. It’s not unusual for me to succeed at pugging a vet DLC with a sub 400 cp party member. Give them a chance to show they belong there.

Being a tank main, I sometimes pug veteran pledges. At this point I can tell if someone might be a poor dd just by looking at their character. Do they have a skin? Do they have a title that proves they went through some difficult content? What CP are they? Are they quickly killing the first boss?

I always stay until the first boss, because they're usually super easy. If it takes them ages to dps it down, I'm out. People just don't want to spend hours in a dungeon and I think it's fair.

idk wrote: »

FierceSam wrote: »

Go play a tank and solve the problem

Every one of my characters can perform multiple roles. Some can perform all three. I have tanked vet DLC dungeons on both magicka and stam DPS without changing CP or attributes. Just slotting different gear and skills.

So yes, it is a solution. Though I prefer to preform my group from one of my raid guilds and sometimes from a social guild I am in. Very smooth runs.

Fake DD is the real problem. Noone wants to be a true tank when the DDs cant pull even 5k dps.
Also some ... intellectually challenged... people seem to think that if you pull too much dps you cant POSSIBLY be a tank, even if you taunt and dont die, which seems to be the only damn job you need to DO as a tank.

oddbasket wrote: »

You can't blame tanks for being discouraged when they queue for a vet dungeon and all 3 teammates get 1 shotted on the first trash mob. Just came out of one. A 10k hp dps, a healer who needs to spend more time keeping himself alive and let the dps die. Sometimes people don't realise they get lucky and got carried until they get into a group with others at their level.

You can’t blame the tank if his three team mates get one shotted? 🤔

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

jircris11 wrote: »

As a DD your wait time will always be stupidly long dye to how common it is. People seem to want to get big numbers vs tank or heal.

DPS has always had long wait times in dungeon queues in every MMO that has them. Not because they want to see big numbers, but because Tank & Heal are generally the harder/more thankless tasks in MMOs. Many people play DPS because it's the easier role. (and also because leveling/soloing/questing a tank or healer in most games is also slower and/or more boring.)

Of course, it varies depending on how multi-role a particular MMO will let you be, and how much the group dungeons depend on the tank & healer.

My comment about big numbers is an old eq2 joke. Basicly you want fast queues go tank or heals, you want big numbers hi dps. You will have big numbers including queue times.

BejaProphet wrote: »

oddbasket wrote: »

You can't blame tanks for being discouraged when they queue for a vet dungeon and all 3 teammates get 1 shotted on the first trash mob. Just came out of one. A 10k hp dps, a healer who needs to spend more time keeping himself alive and let the dps die. Sometimes people don't realise they get lucky and got carried until they get into a group with others at their level.

You can’t blame the tank if his three team mates get one shotted? 🤔

If the tank has aggro and the dd or beaker is too stupid to not MOVE out if red it is discouraging. Had it happen more times then I care to admit.

go all dps!!!

Yeah the problem of jerk tanks has its roots in bad dd's. I mostly pug as dd, I don't tank very often. When I'm bored enough to do it, it often looks something like this:
https://www.esologs.com/reports/v7mX13ZDCN2pArBc#fight=last
DoM is always good for a two hour run.

BejaProphet wrote: »

oddbasket wrote: »

You can't blame tanks for being discouraged when they queue for a vet dungeon and all 3 teammates get 1 shotted on the first trash mob. Just came out of one. A 10k hp dps, a healer who needs to spend more time keeping himself alive and let the dps die. Sometimes people don't realise they get lucky and got carried until they get into a group with others at their level.

You can’t blame the tank if his three team mates get one shotted? 🤔

In pugs, dds are the ones who like to pull trash mobs first, and if they get 1 shotted to trash adds' normal attacks, how does a tank prevent that? Tanks can't magically make their teammates better players.

Ok. But for what it’s worth I’ve never ever had my whole group one shot On the very first trash pack.

If that happens as a regular occurrence....

Personally I’m just going to assume the guy is exaggerating.

If your tank let the entire group die from one shots on the first group in elden hollow two...I am indeed suggesting your tank carries a smidge of responsibility.

I know, I have some crazy theories.