the facts. OVERLOAD IS THE WORST ULTIMATE in game.

phoenixkungfu · February 2020

Overload in any shape is the worst ultimate. This is a fact. Here is proof and numbers to back up this fact.

Fact 1.
OVERLOAD OFFERS LITTLE TO NOTHING UPON USE.
Overload use to have a clear cut advantage to slot and use as a class ultimate. Which was a third bar. Which could be useful for any build. Now overload true purpose is pure damage. With a lackluster 2m increase in range or a very small extra magic return of 1102. THIS IS THE WORST MORPH ULTIMATE OPTION WITH DAMAGE IN THE GAME. THERE IS VERY LITTLE USEFUL ANYTHING FROM THE MORPH.

Fact 2
OVERLOAD HAS THE WORST BURST POTENTIAL as a ultimate classes burst. Yes, it's TRUE. Why because ALL CLASSES CAN LIGHT ATTACK FOR DAMAGE during ultimate.

Let's look at classes signature ultimate. Interm of damage.

Overload damage 1131
Death stroke 1315
Dragon leap 1726
Radial sweep 824 plus 2 sec 410 damage for 6 sec
Sleet storm 455 8 sec(major protection)
Frozen colossus 985(major vulnerability)

This is the numbers overload is 1131. The 1131 equal your light attack damage. Keep in mind that all classes received light attack damage PLUS THE DAMAGE ABOVE.

Fact 3
When you add utility plus ultimate burst of class ultimate plus light attack. Overload is seriously underperforming.
Overload has a almost nonexistent utility function. Overload has a luck lackluster damage compared to the extra damage all classes get after use of ultimate with light attack. THESE FACT PROVES OVERLOAD IS THE WORST ULTIMATE IN THE GAME.

Sorcerer is a amazing class. The class skill can provide some amazing SINGLE player burst. However the ultimate is TERRIBLE. the sorcerer overload utility identity is lost. The heavy attack range is poor to almost unuseable. The damage is lackluster. GIVE OVERLOAD A UNIQUE PURPOSE. heavy attack range something. Overload is without a doubt the worst ultimate. PLEASE STOP NERFING AND START BUFFING OVERLOAD.

Jackey · February 2020

When they reworked Overload I thought it would function like a normal light attack that you could easly weave in with other abilities. That wasn't the case though.
Maybe they should look into that.

Experience from older version of the game. Sorry.

zvavi · February 2020

Jackey wrote: »

When they reworked Overload I thought it would function like a normal light attack that you could easly weave in with other abilities. That wasn't the case though.
Maybe they should look into that.

You can weave overload light attacks with other abilities

Anotherone773 · February 2020

Energy overload is great for restoring magicka. Use it all the time. really helps with sustain. just toggle it on and off as needed like a battery charger. Using the heavy attacks is great for getting rid of a lot of trash quickly as well.

Jackey · February 2020

zvavi wrote: »

You can weave overload light attacks with other abilities

Yes, but it's way slower than normal light attacks.

zvavi · February 2020

Jackey wrote: »

zvavi wrote: »

You can weave overload light attacks with other abilities

Yes, but it's way slower than normal light attacks.

No they arent. You can weave then as fast as normal light attacks.

itsfatbass · February 2020

Yeah, ever since they dropped max ulti storage from 1k to 500, and then reworked this ability a COUPLE of times, its pretty much worthless now. Sadly so. I miss the day of Overloading until 213 ultimate then dropping a destro, *** was GOLDDDD

Jackey · February 2020

zvavi wrote: »

No they arent. You can weave then as fast as normal light attacks.

Had to log in to test it and I stand corrected. Sorry for any misinformation

MincVinyl · February 2020

You forgot to mention you will possibly get banned for using overload heavy attacks.

zvavi · February 2020

Jackey wrote: »

zvavi wrote: »

No they arent. You can weave then as fast as normal light attacks.

Had to log in to test it and I stand corrected. Sorry for any misinformation

Yea, which makes it a castable ult that u can cast prebattle, getting ready with 500 ult points in ic or something, thats like 23 la, *** tons of them

i played around with it in ic, trying to shove it into the curse meteor combo, but i am not really a PvP player, my first proper pvp gear was crafted this midyear mayhem xd

Micah_Bayer · February 2020

zvavi wrote: »

Jackey wrote: »

zvavi wrote: »

You can weave overload light attacks with other abilities

Yes, but it's way slower than normal light attacks.

No they arent. You can weave then as fast as normal light attacks.

It's a lot slower and buggy at times when animation canceling

zvavi · February 2020

Micah_Bayer wrote: »

zvavi wrote: »

Jackey wrote: »

zvavi wrote: »

You can weave overload light attacks with other abilities

Yes, but it's way slower than normal light attacks.

No they arent. You can weave then as fast as normal light attacks.

It's a lot slower and buggy at times when animation canceling

That's what they said on elemental weapons, i never believed them.

Fur_like_snow · February 2020

No it’s the DW ultimate. I’ve literally never seen it on recount. Don’t even know what it’s called that’s how little it’s used. Just this morning I saw an overload mSorc in a yellow zerg find me someone who uses DW ultimate.

Ozazz · February 2020

they want to create class diversity they say but then they butcher the skill that made us most diverse once upon a time, Bring back the 3rd bar for the love of god!

fiender66 · February 2020

I leave numbers to accounting clerks. I use Overload a lot and with good results (PVE, overland and dungeons, magsorc at CP lvl)

Beardimus · February 2020

Imagine it had 1000 ultimate charge
And 50% more damage
AND you had a third bar on a class that suffers with bar space especially after wards have resistances (Boundless)

Oh. That's just how it was, for years, when it was still only used by a few players....

CassandraGemini · February 2020

Oh, so now we went from "Overload has the WORST morphs in the HISTORY of the game" to "it's the WORST ULTIMATE PERIOD!". Interesting.

For reference, PKF's other thread from just a week ago:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/509908/overload-has-the-worst-morphs-in-the-history-of-this-game-i-never-seen-any-skill-this-bad#latest

Seriously, OP, please just stop this. It is really getting a bit ridiculous, and it's very far from being anywhere near constructive.

TBois · February 2020

Overload's current clear cut advantage is that it can be weaved along with another ultimate to create amazing burst.

Mag sorc using Overload's burst advantage to good effect:

https://youtu.be/EvqnQhodlrY

https://youtu.be/UlTwSwmukL8

Stam sorc using Overload's burst:

https://youtu.be/3IaBTq5elfE

https://youtu.be/x91xiFFnMEQ

Now I will say that it does suck that Overload lost its uniqueness multiple times, third bar and heavy attack aoe builds, but Overload is definitely not the worst ultimate in the game. To me there seems to be more players willing to come and complain then learn how to work with its current iteration.

Tommy_The_Gun · February 2020

Worst ultimate in game ? Without a doubt it is Pack Leader (WW ulti morph aka "white wolf").

btw:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/509908/overload-has-the-worst-morphs-in-the-history-of-this-game-i-never-seen-any-skill-this-bad
Why did you made a second almost identical topic ?

Iskiab · February 2020

Yea, it’s terrible, please never use it.

Pdoherty4637_ESO · February 2020

Its certainly underwhelming. The OL light attacks adds a low to medium amount of damage to a busrt combo that would almost always be outperformed by just using a burst ultimate at the end of a combo, and in the current moment, the OL heavy attack is almost completely useless (with its damage output not much bettter than a shock heavy attack). @TBois has certainly come up with some interesting applications for overload, but that says more about his enginuity and ability to work around the ultimate's limitations than the actual utility or effectiveness of the skill.

There ought to be one version with the 3rd bar back; the limited offensive capabilities could be offset by a 3rd bar which was unique and felt special to sorcerer. The other moprh could then be a low/medium cost burst ultimate that sorcerer badly needs in PVP. Atronach (while it can be very good) often feels like a waste to cast, soul assault was nerfed into oblivion, dawnbreaker hits like a wet noodle on magsorc, bats is too expensive for what it offers (and requires vamp stage 4 as a drawaback), destro ultimate is just bats +15% damage without a heal, meteor is wasted against a player with a right mouse button, and negate is only valuable in larger group play.

The morph choices for overload are indeed bad, but so few of sorcerer's morphs offer any meaninful choice. Either there is one clearly superior choice (crystal fragments, endless fury, twilight matriarch, greater storm atro, hardened ward after shield nerfs) or the morph choice is barely noticable anyway (negate, encase, overload, lightning spash). Some meaningful changes have been made to morphs including surge, bolt escape, and bound armaments (which still feels incomplete to me), but there is still a lot of room for diversification to make for more interestings morph choice.

ecru · February 2020

you can literally instagib people using overload

it's a good ult

i swear sometimes it seems like people here are playing a completely different game

susmitds · February 2020

If this post was made by anyone else, I probably could sympathize.

Anotherone773 · February 2020

Pdoherty4637_ESO wrote: »

Its certainly underwhelming. The OL light attacks adds a low to medium amount of damage to a busrt combo that would almost always be outperformed by just using a burst ultimate at the end of a combo, and in the current moment, the OL heavy attack is almost completely useless (with its damage output not much bettter than a shock heavy attack). @TBois has certainly come up with some interesting applications for overload, but that says more about his enginuity and ability to work around the ultimate's limitations than the actual utility or effectiveness of the skill.

There ought to be one version with the 3rd bar back; the limited offensive capabilities could be offset by a 3rd bar which was unique and felt special to sorcerer. The other moprh could then be a low/medium cost burst ultimate that sorcerer badly needs in PVP. Atronach (while it can be very good) often feels like a waste to cast, soul assault was nerfed into oblivion, dawnbreaker hits like a wet noodle on magsorc, bats is too expensive for what it offers (and requires vamp stage 4 as a drawaback), destro ultimate is just bats +15% damage without a heal, meteor is wasted against a player with a right mouse button, and negate is only valuable in larger group play.

The morph choices for overload are indeed bad, but so few of sorcerer's morphs offer any meaninful choice. Either there is one clearly superior choice (crystal fragments, endless fury, twilight matriarch, greater storm atro, hardened ward after shield nerfs) or the morph choice is barely noticable anyway (negate, encase, overload, lightning spash). Some meaningful changes have been made to morphs including surge, bolt escape, and bound armaments (which still feels incomplete to me), but there is still a lot of room for diversification to make for more interestings morph choice.

That made my brain hurt.

Ragnarock41 · February 2020

Fur_like_snow wrote: »

No it’s the DW ultimate. I’ve literally never seen it on recount. Don’t even know what it’s called that’s how little it’s used. Just this morning I saw an overload mSorc in a yellow zerg find me someone who uses DW ultimate.

I think I saw Ani using it in this video. But then again this build is pretty much ESO on hard mode. Amazing player by the way. Deserves more attention.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUT7f5BnANU

Rahar · February 2020

The only underwhelming part about overload is the heavy attacks. They're not worth it at all, but I prefer it to the way the heavies were a while ago.

The ultimate's purpose in my eyes isn't burst, it's pressure. Ele weapon combined with this ulti can be devastating to anyone not smart enough to duck behind a rock or start dodge rolling, and it's a good uno reverse card for opponents who want to start going offensive. So, it has its uses and is my favorite sorc ulti at the moment. Does it need changes? Nah, unless you want to make the heavies worth it.

Overload is fine, if a little niche. It's not an onslaught and it shouldn't be.

This post was made by the magsorc gang

RebornV3x · February 2020

ZOS: "its actually a buff if your opponent is AFK" for PVE overload is nearly useless and for PVP anyone that can dodge roll will beat you the only time someone dies to it is if they get ganked or maybe as an execute but still

just another skill where bad players complained and got a skill nerfed.

MerguezMan · February 2020

phoenixkungfu wrote: »

Overload in any shape is the worst ultimate. This is a fact. Here is proof and numbers to back up this fact.

Fact 1.
OVERLOAD OFFERS LITTLE TO NOTHING UPON USE.
Overload use to have a clear cut advantage to slot and use as a class ultimate. Which was a third bar. Which could be useful for any build. Now overload true purpose is pure damage. With a lackluster 2m increase in range or a very small extra magic return of 1102. THIS IS THE WORST MORPH ULTIMATE OPTION WITH DAMAGE IN THE GAME. THERE IS VERY LITTLE USEFUL ANYTHING FROM THE MORPH.

Fact 2
OVERLOAD HAS THE WORST BURST POTENTIAL as a ultimate classes burst. Yes, it's TRUE. Why because ALL CLASSES CAN LIGHT ATTACK FOR DAMAGE during ultimate.

Let's look at classes signature ultimate. Interm of damage.

Overload damage 1131
Death stroke 1315
Dragon leap 1726
Radial sweep 824 plus 2 sec 410 damage for 6 sec
Sleet storm 455 8 sec(major protection)
Frozen colossus 985(major vulnerability)

This is the numbers overload is 1131. The 1131 equal your light attack damage. Keep in mind that all classes received light attack damage PLUS THE DAMAGE ABOVE.

Fact 3
When you add utility plus ultimate burst of class ultimate plus light attack. Overload is seriously underperforming.
Overload has a almost nonexistent utility function. Overload has a luck lackluster damage compared to the extra damage all classes get after use of ultimate with light attack. THESE FACT PROVES OVERLOAD IS THE WORST ULTIMATE IN THE GAME.

Sorcerer is a amazing class. The class skill can provide some amazing SINGLE player burst. However the ultimate is TERRIBLE. the sorcerer overload utility identity is lost. The heavy attack range is poor to almost unuseable. The damage is lackluster. GIVE OVERLOAD A UNIQUE PURPOSE. heavy attack range something. Overload is without a doubt the worst ultimate. PLEASE STOP NERFING AND START BUFFING OVERLOAD.

Fact 4:
It's the cheapest ulti in the game, you may not expect much for 25 Ult. points.

Fact 5:
You could have learned a few things by actually reading the answers to your 2 other threads about Overload.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/509908/overload-has-the-worst-morphs-in-the-history-of-this-game-i-never-seen-any-skill-this-bad#latest

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/503313/please-read-overload-heavy-attack-combat-range-nerf#latest

Fact 6:
I already told you:

MerguezMan wrote: »

You may not create a new thread when there's an ongoing one about the exact same thing.

PhoenixGrey · February 2020

OP should probably delete this thread before the next potato turns it into a nerf sorc thread

Sneakers · February 2020

zvavi wrote: »

Jackey wrote: »

When they reworked Overload I thought it would function like a normal light attack that you could easly weave in with other abilities. That wasn't the case though.
Maybe they should look into that.

You can weave overload light attacks with other abilities

The weave is very clunky though.

My stam sork overload TT for 24k
My ons 25k, to put it in perspective. Ive hit ppl in bg for 12k OL pure dmg.

6500 wep dmg though and ive built into it for high OL dmg.

phoenixkungfu · February 2020

Sneakers wrote: »

zvavi wrote: »

Jackey wrote: »

When they reworked Overload I thought it would function like a normal light attack that you could easly weave in with other abilities. That wasn't the case though.
Maybe they should look into that.

You can weave overload light attacks with other abilities

The weave is very clunky though.

My stam sork overload TT for 24k
My ons 25k, to put it in perspective. Ive hit ppl in bg for 12k OL pure dmg.

6500 wep dmg though and ive built into it for high OL dmg.

Come on eso, it's time to buff overload stam is even doing it better now. What are you wearing. I'm just wondering