Kaalgrontiid statue price

Brandathorbel · January 2020

if only the community would get together and say no to prices like this and they don't sell any. but the community will never do that.

if they could do that just for a year or less Zos would be forced to lower these stupid prices.

what astounds me is they may sell 100-200 statues at this price but if they lowered the price to 1000 they would probably sell 1-3k minimum. They just don't have the business sense to realize this though. Not only, if they lowered the price people would be more inclined to get into housing if it wasn't such a rip off. More people into housing the more money they would get.

I wish they would hire a marketing firm to do research. I don't recall them every putting out a simple survey when it comes to the crown store which tells me they have no marketing research being done on in game stuff since a survey would be an extremely simple thing to do and give them very valuable info.

PrimusNephilim · January 2020

I'm a whale...I purchased 3 of them last night and placed them in my house in such a way that all you see is the flames rising up from the floor
~ Cheers

Ye_Olde_Crowe · January 2020

I was pretty sure it would be 4.000 crowns, and lo and behold, it was. The Sithis statue with the three lights was 3.000 IIRC, and this one is just as huge and has four different effects...
Well, purchased it for my Potenate's, and it definitely looks good. Though my son's comment was the best ("Gee, what's that - a dragon? Spitting acid??? *sighs* You'd do anything to impress the neighbors, right. Couldn't you just have bought a nice new barbecue and invited them over?").

Brandathorbel · January 2020

I_am_Groot wrote: »

I'm a whale...I purchased 3 of them last night and placed them in my house in such a way that all you see is the flames rising up from the floor
~ Cheers

as long as you know you are part of the problem

Wise_Will · January 2020

xbobx15 wrote: »

I_am_Groot wrote: »

I'm a whale...I purchased 3 of them last night and placed them in my house in such a way that all you see is the flames rising up from the floor
~ Cheers

as long as you know you are part of the problem

they are not a problem in the slightest, zos offered a product and he bought it 3 times, and i bought it 4 times, just because you cant afford it or are too cheap to pay it, don't start saying hes a problem. if you don't like the price don't buy it, if people want to buy it, let them.

cheifsoap · January 2020

I swear some people are never happy. The very same people crying about the price are the same people who whinge constantly about lootcrates. Look guys, you see what you're buying; no gambling involved...but its too expensive. So don't buy it.

snoozy · January 2020

smh at the people buying this...

Celephantsylvius_Bornasfinmo · January 2020

4K crowns is overpriced.
I was the last of my group to see this item in the crown store. All my friends were complaining about it.

With all the problems in the game -> Not a smart move ^^

Starlock · January 2020

Elsonso wrote: »

I think you are missing the point. Do you really think that ZOS prices these things in order to attract lots of buyers with a low price? People have been saying for years that if ZOS would just lower the prices, people would buy more. You would think that ZOS would have "learned the lesson" already. Yet, here we are.

Instead, what ZOS does is put a premium price on it and then they offer it for only a few days. This immediately puts the item into the "special" and "rare" category. That drives their core clientele to buy it. After that, people who want it, but have not purchased it, start to complain about the price, or the limited time, and effectively advertise the hell out of the item. Like what we are doing now, in this thread. This thread may discourage a few people from buying it, but it also drives the fence sitters to buy. Some of them because they did not notice it was for sale, some because it is now more "special", and others just because.

Predatory monetization at it's finest, eh? The racketeers (pardon, "monetization designers") psychologically manipulate customers to trick them into overpriced microtransactions. They do this knowingly and deliberately, with different techniques to target different types of customers (who we might as well call victims, because these manipulations certainly aren't for the customer's benefit). It's been going on in this game for a while, though it has gotten steadily worse especially over the past year or so. Which brings up another problem...

Elsonso wrote: »

If you want ZOS to drop the prices, it is not enough to simply not buy it. You have to completely ignore it and stop advertising it for them. When ZOS throws a rock in the pond and it does not splash, that is when they take notice.

Because of how these rackets are designed and deployed, this won't ever happen. Human psychology isn't that hard to manipulate. They'll keep doing it to profit off of customers and their goodwill for as long as humans exist. The only hope we have is consumer protections stepping in with laws and regulations. It's happening slowly and surely, but it's hard to say what form it'll take in the long run. At a bare minimum, I'd like to see better customer ownership of digital goods purchased in any and all such storefronts. One reason why I still don't buy many games digitally is because I don't really own it that way - I can't give it to a friend, resell it to get a bit off on a new game, or anything like that. The people who buy this stupid $40 statue should have the option to exchange and trade it with other people. They did, after all, BUY the darned thing with THEIR money.

Bekkael · January 2020

Yep, looks awesome. Not a single iota of a chance that I will pay that highway robbery for a furnishing item. 😂

Radiance · January 2020

I always comment on this stuff. They would rather scam the few willing to pay for it and make everyone else unhappy than set a reasonable price so that all who want it can have it and everyone is happy.

I argue they should be cheap considering they are only pixels that can be copy & pasted millions of times over but now I am beginning to think what we are actually paying for is Memory Space on their servers for all our Useless Pixel Data.

I'm not a huge technology person but trying to understand pricing in this virtual world makes my head hurt and my pocketbook.

No thanks, ZoS! Come back with Meridia spittin some sick beats, then maybe we'll talk!

Shardaxx · January 2020

It's pretty cool, but that's waaaaaay too much for a statue. But if people buy it, they will keep selling stuff at these crazy prices.

Salix_alba · January 2020

when I saw that it blew fire that somehow made it even more gaudy especially at the size that it is. So Its a good thing it costs that much so I will have no desire to obtain it.

Brandathorbel · January 2020

Wise_Will wrote: »

xbobx15 wrote: »

I_am_Groot wrote: »

I'm a whale...I purchased 3 of them last night and placed them in my house in such a way that all you see is the flames rising up from the floor
~ Cheers

as long as you know you are part of the problem

they are not a problem in the slightest, zos offered a product and he bought it 3 times, and i bought it 4 times, just because you cant afford it or are too cheap to pay it, don't start saying hes a problem. if you don't like the price don't buy it, if people want to buy it, let them.

i can afford it but i am not dumb enough to pay $40 for a statue in a game. and yes, the people that purchase it are part of the problem because if they didnt buy them at that stupid price they would be forced to drop.

would you rather pay 2k for it for 4k. Well if you would stop buying them at 4k they would drop. So stop with the argument, omg you poor because i guarantee i have more money than you because i make smart purchases. this statue is not a smart purchase.

Brandathorbel · January 2020

cheifsoap wrote: »

I swear some people are never happy. The very same people crying about the price are the same people who whinge constantly about lootcrates. Look guys, you see what you're buying; no gambling involved...but its too expensive. So don't buy it.

this is not about people being happy or unhappy, people just want things to be sold at a fair price. Why is that so hard for people to understand? And yes, they don't like the price so they are not buying them but that doesn't mean they don't have a right to express their concerns over a bad pricing model.

PrimusNephilim · January 2020

xbobx15 wrote: »

I_am_Groot wrote: »

I'm a whale...I purchased 3 of them last night and placed them in my house in such a way that all you see is the flames rising up from the floor
~ Cheers

as long as you know you are part of the problem

There is no problem, I have a career that allows me the luxury to buy what I want, when I want. And if it helps to keep the lights on at ZOS, then so be it. I appreciate what they bring out each year and I hope it continues for many years to come, but you're going to try to put me down for what I do with my time and money, not going to happen sir. However I would advise you to reevaluate your current situation and work on improving it, starting with the attitude.

daemonios · January 2020

I_am_Groot wrote: »

xbobx15 wrote: »

I_am_Groot wrote: »

I'm a whale...I purchased 3 of them last night and placed them in my house in such a way that all you see is the flames rising up from the floor
~ Cheers

as long as you know you are part of the problem

There is no problem, I have a career that allows me the luxury to buy what I want, when I want. And if it helps to keep the lights on at ZOS, then so be it. I appreciate what they bring out each year and I hope it continues for many years to come, but you're going to try to put me down for what I do with my time and money, not going to happen sir. However I would advise you to reevaluate your current situation and work on improving it, starting with the attitude.

Money has no smell, amirite? A dollar is a dollar is a dollar. So what if someone makes money regardless of the effort put in or what their costs are? If someone is willing to buy, you're entitled to sell. You earn yours and spend yours and don't give a toss about what happens in the background. In the mean time, games are bringing in more money than ever before, but ironically there have never been so many stories in the press about toxic game developer culture, unfair practices, constant crunch... I wonder, is your money really keeping the lights on at ZOS, or is it being funnelled straight into the shareholders' pockets?

Starlock · January 2020

xbobx15 wrote: »

cheifsoap wrote: »

I swear some people are never happy. The very same people crying about the price are the same people who whinge constantly about lootcrates. Look guys, you see what you're buying; no gambling involved...but its too expensive. So don't buy it.

this is not about people being happy or unhappy, people just want things to be sold at a fair price. Why is that so hard for people to understand? And yes, they don't like the price so they are not buying them but that doesn't mean they don't have a right to express their concerns over a bad pricing model.

In the wee days of the internet, there was a venue I used that utilized a donation-based system to keep running. As it was a community-centered platform, the main point of donating was to cover the costs of the servers, not make profits. But to make things more fun, the people who ran this thing included pixel prizes (aka, digital art) for donors. There would be a few of them you could get each donation cycle, and they cost exactly $1 each. Again, these folks weren't looking to profiteer of the community, it was just a genuine fundraising thing to pay for upkeep.

Maybe I'm naive for using that as a benchmark for my expectations of for-profit companies, but I do anyway. It helps keep my BS alarm well-oiled.

January1171 · January 2020

Honestly, this is all part of a bigger conversation about monetization in games.

As time goes on, games are getting more expensive but the price is staying the same. Prices for games have not changed significantly for a very long time. Half-Life was $50 when it came out in 1998- that's only $10 cheaper than buying Greymoor+base game.

Yet how much more infrastructure does ESO have than Half-Life? They have a significantly larger team designing the game, there's server maintenance and forum maintenance and future development they have to fund. So ESO has to find other ways besides selling copies of the game in order to fund anything. Subs can only cover part of that cost.

Enter the Crown store. Not to mention the extra server strain caused by some things (houses, items with particle effects, etc) cash shops are trying to recoup the loss caused by a live game vs. a static one (like half-life/skyrim/etc). Companies are still trying to find the right balance in order to make a profit on items to fund the rest of development.

I'm fine with a 4k+ price if it adds significant new functionality to my gameplay. Houses, merchant/banker, dlc, expansions- all add and directly effect how you play the game. A statue with (albeit impressive) lights, does not have the same effect.

Some people are fine with the 4k crown price for this item. Some people aren't. ZOS still has to find the right balance between the two, and IMO, this is not it. Such high prices are alienating. Yes, they will never hit a point where everyone agrees with the price, but they can hit a point where the majority of players (even players who don't think it's worth it for themselves) accept the price as fair.

Hamish999 · January 2020

What I'm sick of in this thread is everyone saying it's a $40 statue! When the hell did the dollar tank or the pound strengthen so much?

5500 Crowns (not on sale or anything) cost £29.99. I got the calculator out, that is £21.81 for the statue. Some may say that is still too expensive, I didn't I bought it. But no way in hell is £22 = $40!

Edit: just checked the dollar/pound conversion rate and the statue costs slightly less than $29. Still too rich for you, then there is a simple answer dont fookin' buy it!

Starlock · January 2020

I_am_Groot wrote: »

xbobx15 wrote: »

I_am_Groot wrote: »

I'm a whale...I purchased 3 of them last night and placed them in my house in such a way that all you see is the flames rising up from the floor
~ Cheers

as long as you know you are part of the problem

There is no problem, I have a career that allows me the luxury to buy what I want, when I want. And if it helps to keep the lights on at ZOS, then so be it.

I used to say and think stuff like this too.

Then I started learning and researching more about the video game industry and had to come to grips with some rather uncomfortable truths. For example:

https://youtu.be/7S-DGTBZU14

I still wrestle with it. In spite of being very well aware that this company does not need our money to "keep the lights on" and that they are psychologically manipulating people to make these massive profits - using methods that are frankly pretty darned insidious and unethical - I still support the game financially. I've cut back, but I haven't gone to zero. I should; iIt'd be the right thing to do. I know my decisions don't exist in a vacuum. Supporting these terrible business models continues to make the video game industry worse for everyone, myself included.

Some day, I will walk away from this game in spite of loving it. In the mean time, I've been spending a lot more of my money on developers who don't do this kind of BS. And telling people not to start playing this game, which I wish I didn't feel the need to say at all because ESO is a great game... minus the racket that is their cash shop.

January1171 · January 2020

Hamish999 wrote: »

What I'm sick of in this thread is everyone saying it's a $40 statue! When the hell did the dollar tank or the pound strengthen so much?

5500 Crowns (not on sale or anything) cost £29.99. I got the calculator out, that is £21.81 for the statue. Some may say that is still too expensive, I didn't I bought it. But no way in hell is £22 = $40!

Edit: just checked the dollar/pound conversion rate and the statue costs slightly less than $29. Still too rich for you, then there is a simple answer dont fookin' buy it!

It's cheaper the more crowns you buy at once, but the rough rule of thumb is 100 crowns=$1

Hamish999 · January 2020

January1171 wrote: »

Hamish999 wrote: »

What I'm sick of in this thread is everyone saying it's a $40 statue! When the hell did the dollar tank or the pound strengthen so much?

5500 Crowns (not on sale or anything) cost £29.99. I got the calculator out, that is £21.81 for the statue. Some may say that is still too expensive, I didn't I bought it. But no way in hell is £22 = $40!

Edit: just checked the dollar/pound conversion rate and the statue costs slightly less than $29. Still too rich for you, then there is a simple answer dont fookin' buy it!

It's cheaper the more crowns you buy at once, but the rough rule of thumb is 100 crowns=$1

I used the cheapest value Crown pack that you could use to buy the statue if you had no Crowns already.

Elsonso · January 2020

Starlock wrote: »

Predatory monetization at it's finest, eh? The racketeers (pardon, "monetization designers") psychologically manipulate customers to trick them into overpriced microtransactions. They do this knowingly and deliberately, with different techniques to target different types of customers (who we might as well call victims, because these manipulations certainly aren't for the customer's benefit). It's been going on in this game for a while, though it has gotten steadily worse especially over the past year or so.

We need to be clear here. Calling people buying this item "victims" of predatory marketing is a non-starter. This sort of marketing happens every day, all through the day, in almost every part of our lives. It is the whole point of marketing. ZOS is doing nothing that we don't ignore, and fall "prey" to, on a daily basis. This is nothing special, other than the fact that the reward is happiness in a game.

I described an aspect of how they market things, but I did not describe anything wrong. This is all stuff that most adults are well-equipped to handle. Adults should be more than capable of assigning a value to this item and making a decision about whether to purchase it. If they value the idea that the item is more special, or rare, and that sits well with them, then fine. There is nothing wrong with a competent adult making the decision to buy this. They are consumers, not victims.

Starlock wrote: »

Elsonso wrote: »

If you want ZOS to drop the prices, it is not enough to simply not buy it. You have to completely ignore it and stop advertising it for them. When ZOS throws a rock in the pond and it does not splash, that is when they take notice.

Because of how these rackets are designed and deployed, this won't ever happen.

Of course it won't. ZOS is not pricing items like these such that no one will buy them, nor are they trying to sell items that no one wants. My point is that if a person does not like deal being offered, one has to ask whether complaining about it is simply helping to sell more.

Personally, I have no problem with this item. It is probably one of the best housing items that they have come out with. For what it is, I think it is cheap at 4000 Crowns. Buy it if you like it. Personally, I have no need for it. If I did, it would give me a reason to buy it, and I probably would. I am not going to buy it, and won't regret it for an instant.

January1171 · January 2020

Hamish999 wrote: »

January1171 wrote: »

Hamish999 wrote: »

What I'm sick of in this thread is everyone saying it's a $40 statue! When the hell did the dollar tank or the pound strengthen so much?

5500 Crowns (not on sale or anything) cost £29.99. I got the calculator out, that is £21.81 for the statue. Some may say that is still too expensive, I didn't I bought it. But no way in hell is £22 = $40!

Edit: just checked the dollar/pound conversion rate and the statue costs slightly less than $29. Still too rich for you, then there is a simple answer dont fookin' buy it!

It's cheaper the more crowns you buy at once, but the rough rule of thumb is 100 crowns=$1

I used the cheapest value Crown pack that you could use to buy the statue if you had no Crowns already.

I also said roughly $40 in the op. Because that's another problem with a monetization system such as this- putting it into a nonstandard currency. Honestly, that's the most psychologically manipulative part of this system. It makes you forget what you're actually spending. So using a rough, very fast and easy conversion puts things back into perspective. Base price of a crown is one cent- any lower price than that is just a discount you're getting if you're buying in bulk.

Darkstorne · January 2020

Wise_Will wrote: »

xbobx15 wrote: »

I_am_Groot wrote: »

I'm a whale...I purchased 3 of them last night and placed them in my house in such a way that all you see is the flames rising up from the floor
~ Cheers

as long as you know you are part of the problem

they are not a problem in the slightest, zos offered a product and he bought it 3 times, and i bought it 4 times, just because you cant afford it or are too cheap to pay it, don't start saying hes a problem. if you don't like the price don't buy it, if people want to buy it, let them.

@Wise_Will If you think that's the reason people aren't buying it, then your username definitely doesn't check out

But thanks for funding this game for the rest of us! I only hope it doesn't lead to more exploitation like this in the future.

Brandathorbel · January 2020

for those saying its ok because they want to help keep the lights on. do you not realize how much money they make on this game? the subs easily pay for everything they do and then some.

they probably have minimum 500k in subs.

500*15 is 7.5 mil a month. I would bet they don't pay more than 1.5 million for all expenses associated with the game. Just the cost of selling the chapters and dlc pay for all the server costs and development

there was an article way back that showed that the profit Blizzard made from wow on subs in the first year and half paid was enough to pay for the next 8 years of all costs associated with the game.

believe me, they are not struggling

Hamish999 · January 2020

January1171 wrote: »

Hamish999 wrote: »

January1171 wrote: »

Hamish999 wrote: »

What I'm sick of in this thread is everyone saying it's a $40 statue! When the hell did the dollar tank or the pound strengthen so much?

5500 Crowns (not on sale or anything) cost £29.99. I got the calculator out, that is £21.81 for the statue. Some may say that is still too expensive, I didn't I bought it. But no way in hell is £22 = $40!

Edit: just checked the dollar/pound conversion rate and the statue costs slightly less than $29. Still too rich for you, then there is a simple answer dont fookin' buy it!

It's cheaper the more crowns you buy at once, but the rough rule of thumb is 100 crowns=$1

I used the cheapest value Crown pack that you could use to buy the statue if you had no Crowns already.

I also said roughly $40 in the op. Because that's another problem with a monetization system such as this- putting it into a nonstandard currency. Honestly, that's the most psychologically manipulative part of this system. It makes you forget what you're actually spending. So using a rough, very fast and easy conversion puts things back into perspective. Base price of a crown is one cent- any lower price than that is just a discount you're getting if you're buying in bulk.

I generally think of 5k crowns as £30. I have no issue with what I spend or don't spend in the crowns store. It is up to the individual to decide if it is value or not.
Look at the ridiculous amounts of money spent on a footballler (soccer), transfer fee, agent fee, wages, signing bonus, goal bonus etc. The buyer decides if the said footballer is worth the outlay, if not they walk away and look elsewhere. Same thing goes for the Crown Store, if you want to buy, then buy it, if you don't then dont.

Enemy-of-Coldharbour · January 2020

As much as I would love to have it, I spend very little time at my home so I cannot justify spending that much money on something I will rarely see. If it were 2,000 Crowns, then maybe...

Darkstorne · January 2020

xbobx15 wrote: »

for those saying its ok because they want to help keep the lights on. do you not realize how much money they make on this game? the subs easily pay for everything they do and then some.

they probably have minimum 500k in subs.

500*15 is 7.5 mil a month. I would bet they don't pay more than 1.5 million for all expenses associated with the game. Just the cost of selling the chapters and dlc pay for all the server costs and development

there was an article way back that showed that the profit Blizzard made from wow on subs in the first year and half paid was enough to pay for the next 8 years of all costs associated with the game.

believe me, they are not struggling

Yeah it's doing insanely well. An insider confirmed as much on 4Chan back in December 2017, along with tips on future Bethesda games. Literally everyone ignored the guy at the time, but then Fallout 76 was announced 6 months later and we were all like "WAIT A MINUTE!!!" and got sad about the rest of his news

Since this leak, ESO's playerbase has continued to climb. I think we can all agree that's a good thing that they're making so much money

But it is a shame that they continue whale hunting tactics like this statue...
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