Nightblades are Extinct!
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ArchMikem✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I am the last of my Species.CP2,100 Master Explorer - AvA Two Star Warlord - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
Quest Objective: OMG Go Talk To That Kitty!2 -
Tommy_The_Gun✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Wait a second. You are complaining about people complaining that NB needs some love ? LOL
(and not just ANY people say that, pretty much anybody who is at least decent player, whenever NB main or not sees that)
Class comparison:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89S8hR8E7vQ
(Not my videos, all credit to Isth3reno1else ^ )3 -
xXMeowMeowXx✭✭✭✭✭
✭xXMeowMeowXx wrote: »I have been playing my stamblades in Cyro, never stopped.
My bf and our friends play their Nbs toons, as well, among others.
I just noticed the bad ones that refuse to put any effort into learning the class are crying, dying, and whining falsehoods.
Nbs are for people that want to really learn the class in all it’s intricacies. They are not a good choice for casuals or people that refuse to update and change their builds.
There are issues that I feel need to be tweaked with the class but your post is just 100% false.
What do you mean by false? there are already people in on this thread think they are a dead class.
or you just don't agree that they are one of the most played class in the game?
This thread and the forums are not the live game, simple. Nbs are not dead or extinct. Already answered in my reply.
If you’re having problems playing a NB, then play with good NBs and learn....I mean this honestly and not insulting in anyway. You will have a lot more fun. Good luck
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Solaire✭✭✭xXMeowMeowXx wrote: »xXMeowMeowXx wrote: »I have been playing my stamblades in Cyro, never stopped.
My bf and our friends play their Nbs toons, as well, among others.
I just noticed the bad ones that refuse to put any effort into learning the class are crying, dying, and whining falsehoods.
Nbs are for people that want to really learn the class in all it’s intricacies. They are not a good choice for casuals or people that refuse to update and change their builds.
There are issues that I feel need to be tweaked with the class but your post is just 100% false.
What do you mean by false? there are already people in on this thread think they are a dead class.
or you just don't agree that they are one of the most played class in the game?
This thread and the forums are not the live game, simple. Nbs are not dead or extinct. Already answered in my reply.
If you’re having problems playing a NB, then play with good NBs and learn....I mean this honestly and not insulting in anyway. You will have a lot more fun. Good luck
That's what i was saying,
and i have no problem playing NB it's my 2nd most played class.1 -
Solaire✭✭✭Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »Wait a second. You are complaining about people complaining that NB needs some love ? LOL
(and not just ANY people say that, pretty much anybody who is at least decent player, whenever NB main or not sees that)
Class comparison:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89S8hR8E7vQ
(Not my videos, all credit to Isth3reno1else ^ )
No, you got it wrong, that's not a complain that's a fact, just stating the class population is not as low as they say it is.0 -
Destyran✭✭✭✭✭oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »People make comments like this because NB has been heavily nerfed over the course of the last year or so.
They aren't "extinct" but they aren't even close to what they used to be in terms of combat effectiveness or how fun they are to play.
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oXI_Viper_IXo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »People make comments like this because NB has been heavily nerfed over the course of the last year or so.
They aren't "extinct" but they aren't even close to what they used to be in terms of combat effectiveness or how fun they are to play.
Yeah the used to be op and now they are more inline with other classes
Unfortunately they took the sledgehammer approach to nerfing rather than the scalpel.
I personally would've preferred them buffing other classes as needed to be more in line with Nightblades.2 -
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✭Leveling a 2nd Nightblade... at this moment.Main: (PvP & PvE)PS5/NA - Ras Kalik a Redguard Templar - Daggerfall Covenant • 1550+ Champion
Ras Kalik a Redguard Templar, the Vestige
PvP:
Aurik Siet'ka a Redguard Necromancer
Cacique the Sage of Ius a Redguard Warden
Jux Blackheart a Redguard Nightblade
Goliath of Hammerfell a Redguard Dragonknight
Kaotik Von Dae'mon a Redguard* Sorcerer
PvP: (Specialty)
Tyrus Septim an Imperial Lycan Sorcerer
Tsar af-Bomba a Redguard Vampiric Nightblade (Bomber)
Movárth Piquine a Nord Vampiric Necromancer
Uri Ice-Heart the Twin a Nord Vampiric Warden
Voa a Priest of Sep a Redguard* Necromancer
PvE:
Cinan Tharn an Imperial Dragonknight (Tank)
Bates Vesuius of Dawnstar an Imperial Dragonknight (Damage)
Herzog Zwei the Genesis an Akavari* Templar (Healer)
Tav'i at-Shinji a Redguard** Warden (One-Bar)
Lucky Hunch the Gambler - a Redguard Nightblade (Thief)
Leveling...
Two-Big-Horns an Argonian Arcanist
Styx of Akatosh a Goblin* Arcanist
Zenovia at-Tura a Redguard** Sorcerer
Yesi af-Kalik a Redguard Templar
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Passives of another race used. (RP)
*Breton
**Imperial
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Ras Kalik the Vestige, a renown Redguard warrior; He has been blessed to save Tamriel from Molag Bal’s destructive Planemeld while reuniting the Five Companions. His further accomplishments after defeating Molag Bal, has been to stop the destruction of Morrowind, the Clockwork City, return order to the isle of Summerset and create a new king in Wrothgar and a queen in Elsywer. These events have made him a living legend and continue to lead him into new adventures throughout Tamriel, as well as into the hearts of many ladies including the Elf Queen, Aryenn. Over many years of adventurous travels, Ras Kalik had become a loner, until he re-visited his homeland of Alik'r.
Alik'r and it's cities were overrun by the undead Ra-Netu and therefore he made an allegiance with Alik'r's own Ash'abah tribe. These Ash'abah with his help, cleansed the city of Sentinel in Alik'r desert and it's surrounding areas of the undead brought to life by the Withered Hand. After rescuing Sentinel from the undead zombies, King Fahara’jad’s personal bodyguard the Goliath of Hammerfell, who was given this name by Imperials in the region; was asked to assist the tribe after learning of the defeat of the Withered Hand to the Ash'abah. Kalik promised Goliath he would task him with fighting living enemies on the battlefield if he so desired. Goliath being a Yokudan warrior wields a massive sword in respect to the Ansei, a gift given by the Imperial, Cinan Tharn. Not many soldiers are able to wield double two handed weapons, but Goliath loves to get up and personal in a fight, so he also carries a giant maul, both weapons laced with magical flames.
Jux Blackheart is a master thief that masquerades as a Bard at the Sisters of the Sands inn, with his younger sidekick Lucky Hunch for pilfering and gambling during this time. Jux was known to infiltrate any towns bank vault he came across and even delved into Ayelid ruins without detection. Kalik can vividly recall the night he met the famed thief. Jux found himself rummaging thru a slightly inebriated Kalik’s pocket for too long, on a full-mooned night and because of his greed and the glimmer of his golden armor in the moonlight. He lost his left pinky fingertip as a lesson! But in return, he gained a new friend, as it was his first time since a child being caught red-handed...
Upon arrival back in the Alik'r after many moons of adventuring, Ras Kalik ventures to Bergama. Visiting The Winking Jackal, he runs into Jux Blackheart, who introduces him to the coin game Crowns vs Forebearers (Heads vs Tails) and Golden Dwemer (RBG).... Jux constantly takes gold from the unfortunate thru theft or gambling, his biggest gambling victim is actually his partner in crime known as Lucky Hunch the Gambler. Lucky doesn't mind losing any gold coins to Jux... as Jux saved him from Altmer slavers in Summerset, by stealing a key and sending him on a boat to the mainland years prior. Lucky spent years in slavery with Khajiits in Summerset and picked up the art of subterfuge, using illusion magic disguises and stealing there.
Kaotik Von’Daemon an outcast, and a half-caste between a Breton mother and a Redguard father. Kaotik become a pariah due to his conjuration of Daedra pets. He was taught healing magic during his childhood years by his Breton mother. His father due to Redguard customs exiled him from the desert, sending him by wagon caravan to be a soldier in the war in Cyrodiil. He happened to meet Kalik while traveling from Alik'r, during this long caravan ride the caravan he was in was ambushed in Bangkorai by a group of bandits. Kalik by chance was also traveling thru this area on his Auridon Warhorse (which was bestowed to him by his friend, Darien Gautier). During this ambush, Kalik was able to rescue five hostages from the bandits. Kaotik was the first rescued, and Ras Kalik also recruited him to be in the Ash'abah tribe. These core Ash'abah tribesmen may never be seen together in travel as they partake in their own adventures but they always know what each other is doing; as they frequent a hideout in northern Bankorai. Their hideout an old Orc castle ruin, is kept watch by Nuzhimeh and she passes messages written between them, and frequently they also enjoy her company and her bed.
The other men rescued were a Dunmer banker, an Imperial mercenary and two other soldiers, an Imperial and a Breton Knight, stating proudly he was an Akavir descendent. One of the Imperials, Cinan, claimed to be related to Abnur Tharn the Battlemage of the Imperial Elder Council (One of Ras Kalik's mentors in the Five Companions). Cinan Tharn was really Abnur's drunkard treasure hunting illegitimate son. He was caught smuggling artifacts out of the Ayleid ruins in Cyrodiil and the elder of the two Imperials was Tyrus Septim a retired Imperial navy battle-mage (now a Lycan mercenary living in the city of Rimmen) and guard to the Tharn family. As much as Abnur Tharn hated his half-sister Euraxia, he dislikes his bas†ard son Cinan more. Tyrus now a ruffian and privateer had been paid by Abnur Tharn to watch over Cinan as much as possible. Cinan Tharn a drunkard, loves to drink at least a quarter barrel of Nord mead before he raids various delves and dungeons for relics to sell on the black market. Cinan also plans to one day, run an illegal gambling ring... which he thinks will net him more gold for his wares.
The Dunmer captive shackled to the Imperials looked familiar to Kalik from his time in Morrowind.... and he recognized him as Tythis Andromo a House Telvanni slave-owner and banker from Vvardenfell. During a rough interrogation to Tythis, Ras Kalik learnt why the bandits accosted him. The racist Dunmer was providing slaves as soldiers for the Three Banner War. The bandits were trying to negotiate a lucrative ransom for Andromo and the Imperials.... Kalik did not need any of this gold and he could never set Tythis free as he did with the two Imperial soldiers. His past involvement with slavery and war crimes, made Kalik's blood boil. He chose not to execute Tythis, as he figured the worse punishment for this former rich and opulent slave owner, is to now be an imprisoned servant for Ras Kalik and the tribe.
Herzog Zwei the Genesis a reknown Imperial/Akavirri battle-mage. His roots going back to Akavir through his mother’s bloodline. (His mother is descended from the Akaviri, through Versidue-Shae, and his Imperial father met her in Hakoshae, while traveling) Herzog earned the nickname "the Genesis" from his father as a child, as he was his mother's first born child, and last, as she tragically died in child-birth.
Herzog was seeking to purchase an artifact from Cinan Tharn, before their capture and was meeting Tyrus while in Rimmen, who introduced him to Cinan. This artifact being the Ayelid artifact; the sword Sinweaver. After their rescue and the exchange of gold to Cinan for the sword he decided to slip away before Ras Kalik could question who he was, and why the Akavir descendant really wanted that sword. Herzog was headed to Nagastani — An Ayleid ruin in eastern Cyrodiil. He had read in scrolls that the Sword would give him magical powers to meet his mothers spirit, if he performed an Ayleid ritual at an old shrine hidden there. Equipped with the artifact sword, he was off to start his own adventure but Ras Kalik, did indeed notice the sword however and instead sent a letter to Jux Blackheart (whom also was interested in Ayleid treasures), to attempt to find Herzog and acquire the sword. (*Azani Blackheart in Elder Scroll's Oblivion is Jux's descendant some 747 years later)
And so the Redguard, Imperial and Akaviri men parted ways ... While Ras Kalik went off to Elsweyr to encounter the latest threat to Tamriel, with Abnur Tharn and Sai Sahan - - DRAGONS!! Little did Ras Kalik know a few people were awaiting him in Senchal besides Sai. A necromancer survived his attack on the Withered Hand, while in Alik'r. The necromancer known as Auriek Siet'ka is also following him to the land of the Khajiits and Cacique the Sage of Ius a Shaman mystic who has become attuned spiritually with Tu'whacca (a Redguard God) and Ius (the Animal God), after being burned severely by the escaped dragons in Elsywer, is awaiting his arrival also. Aurik is a soldier of the Daggerfall Covenant that was introduced to necromancy while in the military, even though this magicka art is not spoken of openly by most of the Military leaders. He came to Alik'r and worked with the Withered Hand before Ras Kalik intervened on their plans. After the defeat of the Withered Hand, he aligned with the Worm Cult, and is constantly adapting and perfecting his necromantic arts.
After his journey to Rimmen, Kalik heads south to Senchal, in the southern regions of Elyswer. This new adventure will also put him on a path to meet a strange Redguard man. The stranger which was infected with an untreated Peyrite disease and also was the exiled from the Order of the New Moon cult, due to his sickness. He originally joined the cult to worship Laatvulon, the green dragon, mistakenly thinking it was the Daedric prince Peyrite. This confused and suffering cultist is known as Tsar al-Bomba and he is on a path to spread the disease. He was originally infected in Orccrest while recruiting members there. Can Ras Kalik and the shaman Cacique cure this poor soul, only time will tell. Little does Tsar al-Bomba know, that his infection is tied to Vampirism, and eventually the desire for blood will take over his mind. Senchal also offers Kalik his latest love interest... Aeliah. Whom he fondly led thru battles with the Dragonguard.
After the trek thru the heat, tropical and desert climate of Northern and Southern Elyswer, Ras Kalik heads north to the cold mountain range of Skyrim. His companion friend Lyris beckons for him with a letter sent by crow...
Movárth Piquine - a former vampire hunter (now infected), within the Fighter's Guild (and a secretive necromancer) was in Skyrim working with the Morthaal Guard. On a patrol mission he was caught in Frewien's ice curse outside of Morthaal with the frozen undead. Movárth's vampiric infection kept him from becoming an undead minion to the curse. He was able to use necromantic ice-magic to encase himself safely until he was freed with Freiwen, when the Vestige Ras Kalik broke the curse.
Uri Ice-Heart - brother of Urfon Ice-Heart. The twin sons of Atli and Oljourn Ice-Heart. The Ice-Heart family are originally from Markarth but now reside on the Jerall Mountain range near Cyrodiil, with their younger sister Araki. The twins had joined the Winterborn Reachmen while living in Markarth. Urfon pushed west to Orsinium with the Winterborn Clan, leaving his family behind. Uri stayed behind with his parents and sister to live in the family cabin for safety, avoiding the Vampire plague infiltrating the Reach. After news reaches him and he hears of Urfon's death... Uri leaves and heads home and is seeking vengeance. Meanwhile, his sister has also moved on to Windhelm to join the Fighter's guild. He will visit his sister, once before going to seek vengeance and she will craft him armor mixed with ice, called Stalhrim armor. Uri fearing death, after his brother's passing, falls victim to the convincing talk of Movárth at a Nordic tavern, and will also becomes a vampire.
{time moves forward through the hour-glass}
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Parasaurolophus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭The fact that you meet the NB does not mean that it is now a good class. It’s not necessary to play well to farm AP. I also meet nb on bg and how everything worked out that they can just do the trick on the train. Without a good team, they cannot do this either.oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »People make comments like this because NB has been heavily nerfed over the course of the last year or so.
They aren't "extinct" but they aren't even close to what they used to be in terms of combat effectiveness or how fun they are to play.
Yeah the used to be op and now they are more inline with other classes
Sneaker wrote a whole big post why nb now does not correspond to any class and is the worst for pvp. Read it.Edited by Parasaurolophus on January 29, 2020 10:11PMPC/EU3 -
xenowarrior92eb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Nightblades are a popular class for solo players trying to recreate the feeling of the single player rpgs in this franchise.
wow no offense...but that is the most stupid thing I have read about nightblades this week...no nightblade players are mostly using it in pvp cuz of the high advantage it provides...you can solo play with any class and also the reason why nightblade pop is so small is simply cuz necro/magdk/sorc are superior since due to the high amount of crybabies on the forums on how "op" nightblades are instead of them learning to play ended up with zos nerfhammering nerfnails every single patch until nightblades are kind of a mediocre class that does its job still but doesnt excel at anything
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D0PAMINE✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I get gank attempts all the time. The difference is that, in 99.9% of the cases, the ganker fails to kill me. I've either gotten better at PvP, NBs have gotten worse, or NBs have been nerfed too hard.
I think they're pretty weak, usually. I don't die easily either, and that's completely on my PVE build MagDK. So...
Imo NB takes a unique skill cap. They can take a bit to master, however some people can pick them up quickly and do well.0 -
Solaire✭✭✭xenowarrior92eb17_ESO wrote: »Nightblades are a popular class for solo players trying to recreate the feeling of the single player rpgs in this franchise.
wow no offense...but that is the most stupid thing I have read about nightblades this week...no nightblade players are mostly using it in pvp cuz of the high advantage it provides...you can solo play with any class and also the reason why nightblade pop is so small is simply cuz necro/magdk/sorc are superior since due to the high amount of crybabies on the forums on how "op" nightblades are instead of them learning to play ended up with zos nerfhammering nerfnails every single patch until nightblades are kind of a mediocre class that does its job still but doesnt excel at anything
Not a low population class my dude, and he is right, it's the easiest solo PVP class,
and one of my fav classes, extremely fun to play that's why they will never be a low population class they never have been and never will be.
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Tommy_The_Gun✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NB are not extinct... yet.
The only reason I see some one would roll a NB is cloak. You know, invisibility. That is pretty much the only thing left that I can think of that would make people go: "I think I will roll a NB". Other than that, NB is kinda pointless.
One skill. That is kinda... bad you know...
I simply fear that ZOS will pull again the same stuff as they did with fear - basically give it to every class in form of other very similar (and possibly superior) skill (Fighters Guild -> Turn Evil).
They are making a Vampire overhaul this year and they said that they will add some new skills to vampire skill line. If one of those skills is a skill that makes you invisible - then yes, it will be a RIP for NB and then we can say that they will go 110% obsolete & pointless as the last reason to pick a class will be gone.
Imho this should never be the case. Classes should have unique skills. Same as Consoles have exclusive titles. There should be a reason to pick a class. Multiple reasons in fact. In case of NB - it is only one reason. Powerful skills like fear or streak or DK leap should remain a class "exclusive" skills. Those should be reasons that define class and it's identity.
Imho giving easy access to fear was a mistake. Previously if you wanted VERY much to have fear on other class - you could - every class can be WW and WW has fear.
Speaking of fear, NB lost not only fear as their "unique" skill. Sorc got very similar copy-paste skill (Grim Focus -> Bound Armaments) and Dual wield got VERY similar gap closer to NB ambush.Edited by Tommy_The_Gun on January 29, 2020 10:31PM10 -
Solaire✭✭✭Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »NB are not extinct... yet.
The only reason I see some one would roll a NB is cloak. You know, invisibility. That is pretty much the only thing left that I can think of that would make people go: "I think I will roll a NB". Other than that, NB is kinda pointless.
One skill. That is kinda... bad you know...
I simply fear that ZOS will pull again the same stuff as they did with fear - basically give it to every class in form of other very similar (and possibly superior) skill (Fighters Guild -> Turn Evil).
They are making a Vampire overhaul this year and they said that they will add some new skills to vampire skill line. If one of those skills is a skill that makes you invisible - then yes, it will be a RIP for NB and then we can say that they will go 110% obsolete & pointless as the last reason to pick a class will be gone.
Imho this should never be the case. Classes should have unique skills. Same as Consoles have exclusive titles. There should be a reason to pick a class. Multiple reasons in fact. In case of NB - it is only one reason. Powerful skills like fear or streak or DK leap should remain a class "exclusive" skills. Those should be reasons that define class and it's identity.
Imho giving easy access to fear was a mistake. Previously if you wanted VERY much to have fear on other class - you could - every class can be WW and WW has fear.
Speaking of fear, NB lost not only fear as their "unique" skill. Sorc got very similar copy-paste skill (Grim Focus -> Bound Armaments) and Dual wield got VERY similar gap closer to NB ambush.
I completely agree with you on Unique Class Skills, they should be Exclusive to the class, it's what makes them,
we all know what ZOS is trying to do, they are trying to make everything available to every class, they want to make it diverse which is a VERY BAD IDEA, especially if it is a Unique skill,
There are MANY Stam skills that perform better than every Mag skills,
they should try to Bring Mag to the level on Stams,
i do NOT want them to nerf anything, just buff and balance the others, keep nerfing will lead to broken classes and stupid metas, they have been doing it since release and just look what a mess the PVP is, the Tank Meta is cancer,
for months we have been asking ZOS to address this Tank Meta but every Patch turn out in the favor for Stams,
that's why i rarely touch Mags nowadays it's waste of time,
and Taking on Unqie class skills gives even more reason to just not play that class anymore and throw that class identity out of the window, especially if you make Mag and Stam morph then RIP
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✭✭✭✭✭xenowarrior92eb17_ESO wrote: »Nightblades are a popular class for solo players trying to recreate the feeling of the single player rpgs in this franchise.
wow no offense...but that is the most stupid thing I have read about nightblades this week...no nightblade players are mostly using it in pvp cuz of the high advantage it provides...you can solo play with any class and also the reason why nightblade pop is so small is simply cuz necro/magdk/sorc are superior since due to the high amount of crybabies on the forums on how "op" nightblades are instead of them learning to play ended up with zos nerfhammering nerfnails every single patch until nightblades are kind of a mediocre class that does its job still but doesnt excel at anything
Wut? I can’t tell where your sentences end so I’m going to reply to the only thing that’s coherent: Who said anything about pvp? Calm thy mitts.
All I said was that nightblades are not extinct, many solo players create them because they like to recreate the feelings from Skyrim.#FiteForYourRite Bosmer = Stealth
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✭I get gank attempts all the time. The difference is that, in 99.9% of the cases, the ganker fails to kill me. I've either gotten better at PvP, NBs have gotten worse, or NBs have been nerfed too hard.
Even as a squishy magblade most gank attempts fail on me. Sad times when the class made to gank can't anymore.3 -
Aigym_Hlervu✭✭✭✭✭Tongueblade rulez! It depends on what race you choose: a Gyrognome Tongueblade is not that good as a Demicanadian or a Half-Halfling one. Though personally I think a Dung Elf Fighter/Organist is much better. Roll the dice and then unroll it - that's the only way. Ah, well, I'm joking, there was an MMO published 18 years ago I doubt anyone remembers it
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xenowarrior92eb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭xenowarrior92eb17_ESO wrote: »Nightblades are a popular class for solo players trying to recreate the feeling of the single player rpgs in this franchise.
wow no offense...but that is the most stupid thing I have read about nightblades this week...no nightblade players are mostly using it in pvp cuz of the high advantage it provides...you can solo play with any class and also the reason why nightblade pop is so small is simply cuz necro/magdk/sorc are superior since due to the high amount of crybabies on the forums on how "op" nightblades are instead of them learning to play ended up with zos nerfhammering nerfnails every single patch until nightblades are kind of a mediocre class that does its job still but doesnt excel at anything
Wut? I can’t tell where your sentences end so I’m going to reply to the only thing that’s coherent: Who said anything about pvp? Calm thy mitts.
All I said was that nightblades are not extinct, many solo players create them because they like to recreate the feelings from Skyrim.
in skyrim you play a filthy shaveskin that farts random dragon words and make people fly
but yeah I get ur point also the big mistake people do when they join ESO is that they expect this to be like the previous tes games...and they completely ignore the fact that that ESO IS AN MMO it has a rly nice environment and can do both things quite well in my opinion but not perfect as a single player would...oh well this whole thing is pointless to discuss since there had been many threads since early access : 3 1 -
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✭I believe those making such remarks about a particular going extinct usually comes from comparing the population of the classes in PVP and how well they are doing, much less relation to general PVE. The voices behind buffs and nerfs.0 -
Langeston✭✭✭✭✭
✭With all due respect, there's a lot of ignorance (can't tell if it's willful or not) and/or outright dishonesty in this thread. First off: the title of the thread "Nightblades are Extinct" is a straw man. I know of no one that claims that there are no Nightblades running around ESO.
Plenty of people however, (myself included) have said that they are no longer viable in higher tiered BGs (and to a slightly lesser extent, PVP in general) and vet trials (which I don't know much about, so I won't comment.) As far as PVP goes though, they are the weakest class hands down — if you want to excel in PVP you're better off playing literally any of the other classes. This is not a controversial opinion: anyone who disagrees with it is either being dishonest, hasn't played the class, or is in the ~95 percentile of skilled players (and thus would beat most people regardless of the class they are playing.)
(Note: in high MMR BGs, it honestly might not be hyperbolic to say that NBs are "extinct," although "endangered" would probably be more accurate. I frequently see 6-8 DKs, Sorcs, Templars, or Wardens — I never see that many NBs. Often I find myself being the only NB out of 12 players.)
Isth3reno1else recently did a series of four videos on how all of the classes stack up in PVP (both stamina and magicka, so 12 classes total) in terms of soloing, small scale groups, and large scale groups. Nighblades finished in the last two spots (of 12) in almost every instance. Below is the chart he used to illustrate it.
For everyone that doesn't play the class let's try a little thought experiment: imagine you play as a Stamina Warden. In all 3 categories, your class scores a 14 or 15 out of a possible 15. Now imagine your class got "reworked" so it looks more like a Stamina Nightblade does (2, 1, 10) So now you're dead last in two categories, and tied for 3rd to last in the third. How would that make you feel about your class? Would you feel like ZOS killed it, perhaps? Well now you know how all the NBs "QQing" feel. It's not particularly pleasant.
I can only speak for myself, but I feel that every class should be capable of scoring 12 - 15 in all 3 categories, while retaining their unique playstyle. Unfortunately, there are a lot of selfish people on these forums that want their class to be a 15 all around with every other class being considerably weaker. (Ironically, these are the same people telling everyone else to "L2P".)
TL;DR: No, NBs aren't "extinct." But as far as I can tell, the only person that has suggested they are is the OP. They are, however, so far below the other classes with regard to their capabilities in PVP that there's no point in playing as one unless you just really love the class. (In which case, it's an incredibly frustrating experience.)8 -
Zulera301✭✭✭✭✭Gardening tools just mad that they actually have to learn to play.Edited by Zulera301 on January 30, 2020 12:44AMShortly after the formation of the Ebonheart Pact, a Nord woman was given a tour of the Tribunal Temple. When later asked about the experience, she seemed upset. Suffice to say, the Dunmer were not pleased to hear this, and thus they inquired further.
"Well," the Nord frowned, "the priests were very angry and unwelcoming. They kept shouting things at me like "you can't drink that mead in here!" and "somebody stop her, she's running naked!" and "we can't catch her; she's covered in grease!""0 -
Solaire✭✭✭With all due respect, there's a lot of ignorance (can't tell if it's willful or not) and/or outright dishonesty in this thread. First off: the title of the thread "Nightblades are Extinct" is a straw man. I know of no one that claims that there are no Nightblades running around ESO.
Plenty of people however, (myself included) have said that they are no longer viable in higher tiered BGs (and to a slightly lesser extent, PVP in general) and vet trials (which I don't know much about, so I won't comment.) As far as PVP goes though, they are the weakest class hands down — if you want to excel in PVP you're better off playing literally any of the other classes. This is not a controversial opinion: anyone who disagrees with it is either being dishonest, hasn't played the class, or is in the ~95 percentile of skilled players (and thus would beat most people regardless of the class they are playing.)
(Note: in high MMR BGs, it honestly might not be hyperbolic to say that NBs are "extinct," although "endangered" would probably be more accurate. I frequently see 6-8 DKs, Sorcs, Templars, or Wardens — I never see that many NBs. Often I find myself being the only NB out of 12 players.)
Isth3reno1else recently did a series of four videos on how all of the classes stack up in PVP (both stamina and magicka, so 12 classes total) in terms of soloing, small scale groups, and large scale groups. Nighblades finished in the last two spots (of 12) in almost every instance. Below is the chart he used to illustrate it.
For everyone that doesn't play the class let's try a little thought experiment: imagine you play as a Stamina Warden. In all 3 categories, your class scores a 14 or 15 out of a possible 15. Now imagine your class got "reworked" so it looks more like a Stamina Nightblade does (2, 1, 10) So now you're dead last in two categories, and tied for 3rd to last in the third. How would that make you feel about your class? Would you feel like ZOS killed it, perhaps? Well now you know how all the NBs "QQing" feel. It's not particularly pleasant.
I can only speak for myself, but I feel that every class should be capable of scoring 12 - 15 in all 3 categories, while retaining their unique playstyle. Unfortunately, there are a lot of selfish people on these forums that want their class to be a 15 all around with every other class being considerably weaker. (Ironically, these are the same people telling everyone else to "L2P".)
TL;DR: No, NBs aren't "extinct." But as far as I can tell, the only person that has suggested they are is the OP. They are, however, so far below the other classes with regard to their capabilities in PVP that there's no point in playing as one unless you just really love the class. (In which case, it's an incredibly frustrating experience.)
It's clear that you haven't read the conversations and the responses i had within this thread,
But let me make some things clear,
what i was pointing out was pretty much people similar to you and yes there are people in this thread who do think NBs have a low population, and i disagree.
Now, just because a class is one of the most played classes in the game doesn't mean it's in a good state, i never said anything like that in fact i said NBs are over nerfed similar to MagSorc,
and ZOS will ruin NB if they bring Stealth like skill and make it available to other classes, which in result NB will lose what makes it stand out and unique.
Still viable in BG? Yes.
Played the most? Yes.
Over nerfed? Yes.
Way too many complains about NB every patch, people complain about it on the forums, youtube, communities, groups,
NB and MagSorc are the most complained about classes in the game i think they should just take them out and rework them completely.
NB is honestly one of my fav classes of all time, and it's my 2nd most played class in ESO.
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xF1REFL1x✭✭✭I've played my stamblade less this patch but am loving the magblade now. So glad I leveled one up... it's my go to lately.1 -
Langeston✭✭✭✭✭
✭With all due respect, there's a lot of ignorance (can't tell if it's willful or not) and/or outright dishonesty in this thread. First off: the title of the thread "Nightblades are Extinct" is a straw man. I know of no one that claims that there are no Nightblades running around ESO.
Plenty of people however, (myself included) have said that they are no longer viable in higher tiered BGs (and to a slightly lesser extent, PVP in general) and vet trials (which I don't know much about, so I won't comment.) As far as PVP goes though, they are the weakest class hands down — if you want to excel in PVP you're better off playing literally any of the other classes. This is not a controversial opinion: anyone who disagrees with it is either being dishonest, hasn't played the class, or is in the ~95 percentile of skilled players (and thus would beat most people regardless of the class they are playing.)
(Note: in high MMR BGs, it honestly might not be hyperbolic to say that NBs are "extinct," although "endangered" would probably be more accurate. I frequently see 6-8 DKs, Sorcs, Templars, or Wardens — I never see that many NBs. Often I find myself being the only NB out of 12 players.)
Isth3reno1else recently did a series of four videos on how all of the classes stack up in PVP (both stamina and magicka, so 12 classes total) in terms of soloing, small scale groups, and large scale groups. Nighblades finished in the last two spots (of 12) in almost every instance. Below is the chart he used to illustrate it.
For everyone that doesn't play the class let's try a little thought experiment: imagine you play as a Stamina Warden. In all 3 categories, your class scores a 14 or 15 out of a possible 15. Now imagine your class got "reworked" so it looks more like a Stamina Nightblade does (2, 1, 10) So now you're dead last in two categories, and tied for 3rd to last in the third. How would that make you feel about your class? Would you feel like ZOS killed it, perhaps? Well now you know how all the NBs "QQing" feel. It's not particularly pleasant.
I can only speak for myself, but I feel that every class should be capable of scoring 12 - 15 in all 3 categories, while retaining their unique playstyle. Unfortunately, there are a lot of selfish people on these forums that want their class to be a 15 all around with every other class being considerably weaker. (Ironically, these are the same people telling everyone else to "L2P".)
TL;DR: No, NBs aren't "extinct." But as far as I can tell, the only person that has suggested they are is the OP. They are, however, so far below the other classes with regard to their capabilities in PVP that there's no point in playing as one unless you just really love the class. (In which case, it's an incredibly frustrating experience.)
It's clear that you haven't read the conversations and the responses i had within this thread,
But let me make some things clear,
what i was pointing out was pretty much people similar to you and yes there are people in this thread who do think NBs have a low population, and i disagree.
Now, just because a class is one of the most played classes in the game doesn't mean it's in a good state, i never said anything like that in fact i said NBs are over nerfed similar to MagSorc,
and ZOS will ruin NB if they bring Stealth like skill and make it available to other classes, which in result NB will lose what makes it stand out and unique.
Still viable in BG? Yes.
Played the most? Yes.
Over nerfed? Yes.
Way too many complains about NB every patch, people complain about it on the forums, youtube, communities, groups,
NB and MagSorc are the most complained about classes in the game i think they should just take them out and rework them completely.
NB is honestly one of my fav classes of all time, and it's my 2nd most played class in ESO.
I'm not sure what you mean here.what i was pointing out was pretty much people similar to you
I'm sorry, but this is absurd. My magsorc completely sh**s on my NBs. Sorcs are stronger in literally every way I can think of, and their skills are just plain simpler to use. Hell, the 3 main skills almost every sorc uses in PVP are all automated.NBs are over nerfed similar to MagSorc
1. They're only viable in low to mid tier MMR BGs. If you disagree with that, it likely means you either haven't played on one in high MMR BGs for any length of time or you have God-like skills (which may indeed be the case for all I know, but that just means you're the exception to the rule).Still viable in BG? Yes.
Played the most? Yes.
Over nerfed? Yes.
2. Actually, I'm fairly certain Magsorcs are the most played class in the game.
3. Agreed.
The simple fact is this: No other class is so poorly represented in high MMR BGs as nightblades (specifically magblades.) Everyone I know that plays high MMR BGs refuses to even play on their magblades anymore, and rarely (if ever) play their stamblades. They much prefer to play their DK, Templar, or Warden, all of which do more damage with simpler combos and have much stronger defenses/healing, equaling more kills & fewer deaths. While nightblades aren't nonexistent, I'm usually one of, if not the only NB in any given BG (unless I get knocked down to a lower tier.)4 -
Destyran✭✭✭✭✭With all due respect, there's a lot of ignorance (can't tell if it's willful or not) and/or outright dishonesty in this thread. First off: the title of the thread "Nightblades are Extinct" is a straw man. I know of no one that claims that there are no Nightblades running around ESO.
Plenty of people however, (myself included) have said that they are no longer viable in higher tiered BGs (and to a slightly lesser extent, PVP in general) and vet trials (which I don't know much about, so I won't comment.) As far as PVP goes though, they are the weakest class hands down — if you want to excel in PVP you're better off playing literally any of the other classes. This is not a controversial opinion: anyone who disagrees with it is either being dishonest, hasn't played the class, or is in the ~95 percentile of skilled players (and thus would beat most people regardless of the class they are playing.)
(Note: in high MMR BGs, it honestly might not be hyperbolic to say that NBs are "extinct," although "endangered" would probably be more accurate. I frequently see 6-8 DKs, Sorcs, Templars, or Wardens — I never see that many NBs. Often I find myself being the only NB out of 12 players.)
Isth3reno1else recently did a series of four videos on how all of the classes stack up in PVP (both stamina and magicka, so 12 classes total) in terms of soloing, small scale groups, and large scale groups. Nighblades finished in the last two spots (of 12) in almost every instance. Below is the chart he used to illustrate it.
For everyone that doesn't play the class let's try a little thought experiment: imagine you play as a Stamina Warden. In all 3 categories, your class scores a 14 or 15 out of a possible 15. Now imagine your class got "reworked" so it looks more like a Stamina Nightblade does (2, 1, 10) So now you're dead last in two categories, and tied for 3rd to last in the third. How would that make you feel about your class? Would you feel like ZOS killed it, perhaps? Well now you know how all the NBs "QQing" feel. It's not particularly pleasant.
I can only speak for myself, but I feel that every class should be capable of scoring 12 - 15 in all 3 categories, while retaining their unique playstyle. Unfortunately, there are a lot of selfish people on these forums that want their class to be a 15 all around with every other class being considerably weaker. (Ironically, these are the same people telling everyone else to "L2P".)
TL;DR: No, NBs aren't "extinct." But as far as I can tell, the only person that has suggested they are is the OP. They are, however, so far below the other classes with regard to their capabilities in PVP that there's no point in playing as one unless you just really love the class. (In which case, it's an incredibly frustrating experience.)
Yeah they scored a 10 for solo play Stam and a 10 for bombing they just scored low on group play and let’s be honest if your in a Zerg 9/10 it’s not organised and what you bring doesn’t really matter0 -
Solaire✭✭✭With all due respect, there's a lot of ignorance (can't tell if it's willful or not) and/or outright dishonesty in this thread. First off: the title of the thread "Nightblades are Extinct" is a straw man. I know of no one that claims that there are no Nightblades running around ESO.
Plenty of people however, (myself included) have said that they are no longer viable in higher tiered BGs (and to a slightly lesser extent, PVP in general) and vet trials (which I don't know much about, so I won't comment.) As far as PVP goes though, they are the weakest class hands down — if you want to excel in PVP you're better off playing literally any of the other classes. This is not a controversial opinion: anyone who disagrees with it is either being dishonest, hasn't played the class, or is in the ~95 percentile of skilled players (and thus would beat most people regardless of the class they are playing.)
(Note: in high MMR BGs, it honestly might not be hyperbolic to say that NBs are "extinct," although "endangered" would probably be more accurate. I frequently see 6-8 DKs, Sorcs, Templars, or Wardens — I never see that many NBs. Often I find myself being the only NB out of 12 players.)
Isth3reno1else recently did a series of four videos on how all of the classes stack up in PVP (both stamina and magicka, so 12 classes total) in terms of soloing, small scale groups, and large scale groups. Nighblades finished in the last two spots (of 12) in almost every instance. Below is the chart he used to illustrate it.
For everyone that doesn't play the class let's try a little thought experiment: imagine you play as a Stamina Warden. In all 3 categories, your class scores a 14 or 15 out of a possible 15. Now imagine your class got "reworked" so it looks more like a Stamina Nightblade does (2, 1, 10) So now you're dead last in two categories, and tied for 3rd to last in the third. How would that make you feel about your class? Would you feel like ZOS killed it, perhaps? Well now you know how all the NBs "QQing" feel. It's not particularly pleasant.
I can only speak for myself, but I feel that every class should be capable of scoring 12 - 15 in all 3 categories, while retaining their unique playstyle. Unfortunately, there are a lot of selfish people on these forums that want their class to be a 15 all around with every other class being considerably weaker. (Ironically, these are the same people telling everyone else to "L2P".)
TL;DR: No, NBs aren't "extinct." But as far as I can tell, the only person that has suggested they are is the OP. They are, however, so far below the other classes with regard to their capabilities in PVP that there's no point in playing as one unless you just really love the class. (In which case, it's an incredibly frustrating experience.)
It's clear that you haven't read the conversations and the responses i had within this thread,
But let me make some things clear,
what i was pointing out was pretty much people similar to you and yes there are people in this thread who do think NBs have a low population, and i disagree.
Now, just because a class is one of the most played classes in the game doesn't mean it's in a good state, i never said anything like that in fact i said NBs are over nerfed similar to MagSorc,
and ZOS will ruin NB if they bring Stealth like skill and make it available to other classes, which in result NB will lose what makes it stand out and unique.
Still viable in BG? Yes.
Played the most? Yes.
Over nerfed? Yes.
Way too many complains about NB every patch, people complain about it on the forums, youtube, communities, groups,
NB and MagSorc are the most complained about classes in the game i think they should just take them out and rework them completely.
NB is honestly one of my fav classes of all time, and it's my 2nd most played class in ESO.
I'm not sure what you mean here.what i was pointing out was pretty much people similar to you
I'm sorry, but this is absurd. My magsorc completely sh**s on my NBs. Sorcs are stronger in literally every way I can think of, and their skills are just plain simpler to use. Hell, the 3 main skills almost every sorc uses in PVP are all automated.NBs are over nerfed similar to MagSorc
1. They're only viable in low to mid tier MMR BGs. If you disagree with that, it likely means you either haven't played on one in high MMR BGs for any length of time or you have God-like skills (which may indeed be the case for all I know, but that just means you're the exception to the rule).Still viable in BG? Yes.
Played the most? Yes.
Over nerfed? Yes.
2. Actually, I'm fairly certain Magsorcs are the most played class in the game.
3. Agreed.
The simple fact is this: No other class is so poorly represented in high MMR BGs as nightblades (specifically magblades.) Everyone I know that plays high MMR BGs refuses to even play on their magblades anymore, and rarely (if ever) play their stamblades. They much prefer to play their DK, Templar, or Warden, all of which do more damage with simpler combos and have much stronger defenses/healing, equaling more kills & fewer deaths. While nightblades aren't nonexistent, I'm usually one of, if not the only NB in any given BG (unless I get knocked down to a lower tier.)
They dominate the low and mid tier BGs but seen less in higher MMR BGs but not "extinct" as say they are "barely" played by anyone, i do a lot of PVP non stop, they are way more viable than you think they are,
and what i meant by "similar people like you" is that you saying they are almost non existent in higher MMR which is not true, because that's a statement to raise awareness of the class being Bad, which is not, it's not as good as it used to be but it's is as i said one of the top classes, why do you think people care so much about it in the first place? because it's played by a lot of people.
as seen in the screenshot i have added to thread i play on my StamNB ending up with a full team of StamNBs, and there were also a few on the other teams and every match i go into i always see a few of them,
yes there are a lot of templars, dk, wardens, necros and some mag sorc here and there but mainly stam builds since the meta now favors stams and with every patch favoring stams it's stupid not to play as one,
do you see magdk? magnecro? magnb? magden? as much as other builds?
No, because it's a Tank Meta and that's one of the problems in which people avoid squishy builds,
but thanks to their unique cloak it's pretty viable, i know it can countered but if you play it smart you would never get caught,
Nbs were never meant to be a 1vx class in no way they are, even tho skilled people have done it, it's in no shape to be a good group support.
i myself main StamDK, was my first ever ESO class and still is, 2nd is my StamNB 3rd is Templar both mag and stam
these are my top 3 fav classes and i want them to be good as you want NB to be good, but let's not be selfish,
as for MagSorc, i gotta disagree, it's in a pretty bad place right now, MagPlar is way much better than MagSorc
Mags in general are just not balanced to be on the same level as stams in the current meta, but we may or may not see some changes with upcoming Skyrim chapter but i really doubt anything major will happen, even if it happens it will surely be just the Vampire new skills or adjustment,
and i don't think magsorc gonna match NB in 1v1, i have won many matches against magsorc on 1v1, they beat you sometimes but mostly it's you coming on on top, but this also differs from player to player so i can't say fore sure,
can't even compare these two classes to each other they aren't supposed to be compared or be at the same level not in term of power but skills.
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