Qbiken wrote: »

Old Dark cloak heavy blades is probably one of the most overperforming setups this game has ever seen (old dark cloak magblade as well). They were basically heavy stamDK on steroids. Seeing your other thread regarding wanting to nerf imperial physique due to the tank meta, I'm surprised you want a buff to dark cloak, which used to be one of the backbones of the tank meta.

But I don't disagree with you that stamblades lack group utility, but bringing back old dark cloak is a big no for me.

Dark cloak is inexistant in pvp and stamblades are inexistant in high mmr bgs for the same reason. I'm not asking for it to be buffed until it is overpowered obviously. Just enough to where it is actually remotely viable.

Ah yes. 30k+ HP snb/2h or dw/2h Dark Cloak blades which still had good pressure but were immortal in 1v1s, in everyones best interest I'd say we dont need that back.

I can remember trying it out on PTS after dark cloak got its first rework and I was standing there facetanking a sorc in a full damage setup with the pet curse and 3 pets on me (that was also the time where sorc pet damage got buffed), just by occasionally using dark cloak and vigor in combination with lingering health pots.

I dont think we need such setups back, especially with the current reign of tank setups in pvp.

Also a skill shouldn't revolve around a single set, the old 7th legion dark cloak combo was pretty broken and abused by many players for this reason, very similar to how mag sorc use engine guardian for 1 way los with the kit they have and how it synergies well abusing mechanics for pvp

nublife01 wrote: »

SnikerPKK wrote: »

Dark Cloak is not a PvP ability.

After watching thogard run it in bgs have to disagree with you on that one.

IMO stamblade isn’t viable in high MMR BGs due to its lack of usefulness to the group. Remember that I ran medium armor, not heavy. I needed incap’s reave passive for the magicka return to sustain dark cloak in a medium armor build (heavy could sustain with constitution passive).

The 7th nerf hit my Stam DK just as hard, if not harder. Unless I’m sorely mistaken, dark cloak proccing 7th’s new 5 piece never made it off PTS - they nerfed 7th on PTS then changed it so dark cloak didn’t proc it 2 weeks later, still on PTS (IIRC).

Honestly the build would still work fine if you replace orc with nord, frontbar new moon acolyte and double bar spriggan (and bloodspawn and backbar master bow). Just need to get comfy using heavy attacks after a dizzy for a stun, but many Stam classes are like that now. Dizzy then 2h heavy into relentless is a nice nice combo, especially if you incap and ambush them first and get that double dot poison ticking.

I always played that stamblade as a DK that had traded in its pressure for burst. We’re in a burst meta rn. Honestly i don’t think there’d be any issues running that build in No CP. I only like DK right now for CP because of the stun on leap. Bug me about it onstream and I’ll dust it off, it’ll be easy to switch gear around for and now I can finally buy undaunted and get those extra stat points lol. The only stamblade specific nerf that would affect that setup is the decrease of relentless mitigation from 15% to whatever it’s at now (8%?) which will make the build more vulnerable to getting bonked. But it’s a medium build and bonk got nerfed too so just dodgeroll to glory.

Sniker knows far more about stamblade than me. That setup was really fun to play but it’s a fundamentally selfish build.

Edit: forgot to mention that that build was 100% single target dmg and had no group buffs or group heals, hence the “selfish” build.

Soooo fun to play though

What is should do, is have a reduced cost or scale off of a different stat. I agree, that the skill was way overpowered in pvp. But that is not excuse to nerf it into complete oblivion. Also, keep in mind the damage nightblades give up when they switch to this morph. Culturally speaking I have been in groups that everyone moans that one is a nightblade tank. This has to stop. Remember every class should have the potential to fill dps, tank or healer roles. Not every tank should be templar and dragon knight only.

Dark cloak is over nerfed now. I think where people get caught up is looking at the balances globally of tank defenses in pvp. There should be some new global modifier or game change to address this as whole as playing "the class of this update" is not really what any mmo has been about.

Solaire wrote: »

You talk like StamBlade doesn't rule the BGs?

currently the most used build in BG is StamBlade, the Battlegrounds are full of them, yet you say they aren't viable for BGs?!

Stamblades are extremely popular in low MMR matches. Once you get into the tougher fights they are virtually non-existent.