Don't play PVP.
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kingsforged✭✭✭kingsforged wrote: »Andddd here's the problem with everything you've all said... I'm NOT the one having the issues. It's the people I'm being grouped with every game where only 2-3 players out of 12 are racking up 10-30 kills, and these poor, new, average players are lucky to score a SINGLE kill. They complain in group chat, I tell them how it is (as per my OP) and they quit.
These are GAME DESIGN ISSUES that need looking at, because these are the issues that kill playerbases, and queues are already absolute trash.
For anyone saying "I'm just using this and blah blah" just wait. Come back when you've run into a 4 stack using Psijic skill lines in a pre-50 BG and tell me how it went for you when you couldn't even drop them below 75%.
If you're doing well with "just reward bag gear" then you just haven't been playing it long enough to get matched up.
Funny thing is you're not having these issues but the group your with, if it was a huge concern then they would be making this post, safe their frustration for themselves and worry about yourself.
Most people don't know the Forums even exist, let alone how to join it, since it's a weird separate joining process for some obscure reason. Most new people probably think it's just them as well without understanding the crafting systems and the ridiculous advantage they bring. I've had numerous players asking why they were losing so badly and getting killed so easily, and I just link them some gear sets and tell them it's a crafting game pre-50, not a skill one.0 -
kingsforged✭✭✭kingsforged wrote: »
Someone legit posted saying pvp has only TWO events every year. While PVE has many every month or so. If you dont like pvp then DON'T! Pvp it's that plain and simple, I have seen below level 50s wreck Champion point players.
[Edit to remove bait]
Champion points are ACCOUNT-WIDE, just because they're not level 50 doesn't mean they don't have CP lol - you just can't see it!0 -
kingsforged✭✭✭Unfadingsilence wrote: »Dont let OPs post discourage ANYONE from playing in pvp in CP, Non-CP, BGs and under 50 because honestly if you are playing a game I'm pretty sure you're here to play the game and just get away from reality. So just enjoy your time in ESO and have fun. Also on a side note I'm sorry but OP is wrong when saying it would take months to get just a good setup going and all of that because like many others I have started over on different accounts and servers and depending on how you play it can take a few days-years if being honest to get where u want in the game since it's an MMO and always changing. But still have fun and enjoy your stay ✌
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kingsforged✭✭✭kingsforged wrote: »
Actually I did. Twice.
Admittedly I had 4 years of experience behind me, and a tuned set of level 28 gear but yep , did it on my own. Was pretty easy tbh. Just took time
So what you're actually saying issss.... you didn't.0 -
kingsforged✭✭✭Fur_like_snow wrote: »I had a blast in sub 50 when I first started playing. Maybe PvP isn’t for you try some quests in overland that’s prob more up to your speed OP.
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kingsforged✭✭✭HalvarIronfist wrote: »kingsforged wrote: »If you're new or new-ish player, just don't play PVP. ESPECIALLY below Level 50.
Absolutely ZERO thought or effort has gone into maintaining ANY kind of balance in any of the PVP game modes. Below level 50 being some of the absolute worst of it. If you can't craft top-tier gear, buffs and potions (which can take months to research enough traits to do) and pay to unlock the extra skill lines (maxed out using a high level main) using Crowns, you have absolutely NO chance of competing AT ALL.
It's not a question of skill or class. It's not a question of builds. You can't "git gud". It's a pure "craft and pay to win" game and there's nothing you can do about it.
If you're looking for a PVP game to jump into. This isn't it. Don't waste your time or your money.
Really? Not skill or Class? Not a question of builds? You can't "git gud"?
We all started somewhere. If you want to pvp, whining about what metas/other players do isn't going to make you improve. Even BG reward/ap bought gear is more than enough to make you do decently in under 50.
I level some of my characters through under 50, and use training gear, and still do just fine even with a lack of skills if they're not high enough level. Undoubtedly, and I have ran into the issue of people buying skill lines. If they keep the character, and it goes on to serve some purpose. Okay, they have all the right to do so. If they just delete the toon and rebuy it for under 50 PVP? What a tool, lol.
(I've seen less of the skill line buyers, 30$ is just not worth a few hours of grinding! FG/MG wise. Psijic is a eh.)
As for crafting gear, its pretty cheap to even make purples (Exception of jewels.). If you can't do it, just join a guild and contact a crafter. Most won't charge you any exorbitant fees, but until you're mechanically inclined enough in PVP, sets are nothing more than a crutch. If you don't maximize the use of your sets through your gameplay, then it doesnt matter if you have gear crafted or you wear rewarded gear.
For a PVE example, take VMA. I will openly admit, when I started it for the first time, I cried foul, unfair. You know what? I just had to improve. Whining didn't fix anything. Take your time, have fun, learn the ropes, because under 50s are easy mode for any regular player, sometimes I just roll them to level alts or AP farm on op builds. (Try under 50 as a stamsorc werewolf.)
Ultimately, i don't think there's any issue here as a person who also had to learn from the ground up. Sure there's a few unfair things, but no game in existence is ever perfectly balanced. (Speaking of live service games, at least.) It sounds like you just need to pony up the time and effort to learn to PVP.kingsforged wrote: »Andddd here's the problem with everything you've all said... I'm NOT the one having the issues. It's the people I'm being grouped with every game where only 2-3 players out of 12 are racking up 10-30 kills, and these poor, new, average players are lucky to score a SINGLE kill. They complain in group chat, I tell them how it is (as per my OP) and they quit.
These are GAME DESIGN ISSUES that need looking at, because these are the issues that kill playerbases, and queues are already absolute trash.
For anyone saying "I'm just using this and blah blah" just wait. Come back when you've run into a 4 stack using Psijic skill lines in a pre-50 BG and tell me how it went for you when you couldn't even drop them below 75%.
If you're doing well with "just reward bag gear" then you just haven't been playing it long enough to get matched up.
Well.. Apparently you're the one having issues if you're coming here to post about it. Either group up or learn to expect less from randoms. Even in high MMR I don't see 4 stacks running Psijic. If you see that, they're more than likely guildies/friends, and they're making a 4 man group purposely to stomp on randoms.
If you're doing well with reward bag gear in under 50.. you may have decent mechanical skill, because believe it or not; stats do scale in under 50. Meaning even a level 12 with decent reward gear can hold their own and do well. From the attitude of your posts, I'm going to assume that you're solo queuing into bad groups. It happens. You can't carry every match alone. (Assuming that you're carrying at all.)
and finally: This really speaks the situation.OP decides one day to take up boxing, so they go to the local boxing gym and put some gloves on and jumps in the ring with guys who have been there years.
After taking a royal whooping OP goes onto the boxing forums and tells people not to waste their time with boxing as its full of people who are good and have good equipment.
This --> https://imgur.com/a/yUxucw7 is my problem with the game . That this is allowed, and that it is in NO WAY compensated for towards newer players who aren't fortunate enough to quickly find a guild willing to pay out to gear them. People who come fresh into this game have no way to gear and equip themselves properly without the help of an experienced player willing to give them everything they need. Dungeon gear doesn't compare, basic drop items don't compare, basic foods and potions don't compare.0 -
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✭✭You can’t except, as a NEW player, to compete with people who have been playing the game for years. That’s just life.
You can’t expect to have the knowledge, the gear, or even the MEANS to get the gear when logging in for the first time. Put in the time. Put in your dues.6 -
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✭kingsforged wrote: »Andddd here's the problem with everything you've all said... I'm NOT the one having the issues. It's the people I'm being grouped with every game where only 2-3 players out of 12 are racking up 10-30 kills, and these poor, new, average players are lucky to score a SINGLE kill. They complain in group chat, I tell them how it is (as per my OP) and they quit.
These are GAME DESIGN ISSUES that need looking at, because these are the issues that kill playerbases, and queues are already absolute trash.
For anyone saying "I'm just using this and blah blah" just wait. Come back when you've run into a 4 stack using Psijic skill lines in a pre-50 BG and tell me how it went for you when you couldn't even drop them below 75%.
If you're doing well with "just reward bag gear" then you just haven't been playing it long enough to get matched up.
Funny thing is you're not having these issues but the group your with, if it was a huge concern then they would be making this post, safe their frustration for themselves and worry about yourself.
This makes no sense to me. I had been playing more than a year before I got an invitation to join the forums. You do know not everyone can just make an account here to voice their complaints right?
I don't understand some Pvper's. The house is on fire, the population is dwindling and the attitude is like "everything is fine!" But are the first ones crying to the forums screaming for nerfs and woe is me whenever possible but label others as the whiners and carebears.
Baffling.There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man, true nobility is being superior to your former self
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HalvarIronfist✭✭✭✭That's your definition of good? I hate to say it, but if you want to get into PVP, just like end game content. You need to learn and grow. If I go into a dlc dungeon even on normal trying to do 1h/shield DPS, I won't likely hit 10k and ill be pretty useless.
With six traits, I can pull off this kind of game with purple crafted gear, easily and cheaply obtained buff drink, and only AP bought potions.
The cut part is the hate-whispers I received from another player. Had to be cut due to language.
If you think the SETS alone qualify for that much damage, and those kind of scores, it does not.
If I never learned to PVP, or learned mechanics to help my reactions to events happening in PVP, the sets would do nothing but give me a nice start. You need to learn to build, learn to play, and THEN worry about how you perform.
For example; when I first started PVP, EVER. I was a PVE-Only Player, never touched it. I made a 2h/2h Stamden ww because I didn't know any better. I crafted hundings and fortified brass in purple. Could I get kills? Sure. Did I die a lot more than I killed others? Often. There is no "new player protection" to PVP. If you want to learn, you have to do it the hard way like almost everyone else had to. Is it fair? No, but you're fighting real players, why should anything be fair? I never build a PVP character to be fair to my opponents. I do it to kill them first, and not die doing it.
Like aforementioned, if you're worried about comparisons, you'll be here until Oblivion freezes over. If you want to help people, try to politely teach them, offer feedback, or even if you have such power, invite them to a willing guild. You'd be surprised how a little kindness towards a new player will take off for them. I've met plenty of people who've voluntarily joined my guilds after I've done PVE/PVP with them and offered some insight and offered to introduce them to people who will help.
The problem isn't that players are allowed to do it, it's that people don't want to improve/or they're too discouraged from improving because it seems like work. You'll never get better if you only fight people at your same MMR/Skill level and they can never have an advantage.5 -
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✭kingsforged wrote: »Fur_like_snow wrote: »I had a blast in sub 50 when I first started playing. Maybe PvP isn’t for you try some quests in overland that’s prob more up to your speed OP.
https://imgur.com/a/yUxucw7
You're linking the cream of the crop pvpers. Get over your complex, learn to pvp and get to their level. Dont tell other people to give up because you think it can't be done.Edited by Rave the Histborn on January 26, 2020 5:31AM4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭HalvarIronfist wrote: »
If you think the SETS alone qualify for that much damage, and those kind of scores, it does not.
*cough*bull*****cough*
excuse me.
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✭✭RefLiberty wrote: »PvP needs to be canceled and resources put in good use instead of wasting in that group of 5% players being not useful to game or anyone.
ESO is sold based on PVE legacy anyway.
As someone said, they need to be contained in that map of theirs, with no influence on game whatsoever.
Game has been broken so many times by trying to balance that game "mod", su much waste.
So much money being wasted on pvp, so much nerfs/buffs, so much work hours.
If there is no pvp Eso, could have funded a space force program or at least ESO 2 engine.
So much resources.
Make PvP secondary feature, Make ESO great again.
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✭✭✭kingsforged wrote: »Absolutely ZERO thought or effort has gone into maintaining ANY kind of balance in any of the PVP game modes. Below level 50 being some of the absolute worst of it. If you can't craft top-tier gear, buffs and potions (which can take months to research enough traits to do) and pay to unlock the extra skill lines (maxed out using a high level main) using Crowns, you have absolutely NO chance of competing AT ALL.
The current system doesn't know how to sort people into leagues where you have a 50/50 chance of winning. MMR is supposed to do that but there isn't enough of a population (gee I wonder why...). And now they have reset the scores in an effort to fix at least Battlegrounds.
At least they are taking a look at the problems and honestly it's more complicated to implement than just coming up with good concepts like proper league sorting.
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MincVinyl✭✭✭✭✭So for the argument that newer players cant compete setwise: there are plenty of ways to gain near Bis gear
1: Simply ask or google "Eso Crafted sets" and there is the Bis gear for lowbie. Zone/dungeon sets dont scale properly >50
2: Cant craft your own gear? it is an mmo, there are plenty of other people that can help you, give up the skyrim single player concept. Almost any crafter can make under 50 gear for free and blue/purple it out for you. The crafter might even already know what sets are good for your class setup.
3: dont know what skills/weapon setups to run, again just google current eso builds or ask from better players.
People using cheat engine and you figure just quit now? realize that they are not, you just simply dont know the mechanics of the game yet. Main concepts in pvp that newer players fail to learn themselves.
1: Rebind your "interupt" key, idky zos did not make this more obvious to learn or used in basic quests, but newer people dont even know that bash or break free exists.
2: What is a snare? What is a root? and how to counter them, again zos does not show newer players
3: Slotting self heals, alot of new players will run like 4 or 5 spammables instead of slotting 1 spammable and running buffs and heals for the rest. (ive met players running poison inject, whirlwind, and killer's blade...like why)
4: running foods are not a scam, you must use them and potions. low money, seige merchants have them for pretty much free
I see no need to sugar coat pvp for newer players, it was much worse back in the day. I mean you used to be able to run max cp slotted on lowbie toons with monster helms. Not to mention how much easier it is to play and level a lowbie, before one tamriel you had to spend hours upon hours making new toons if you didnt know the tricks. Now one set of green lvl4 training gear can get you to 25-30 in an hour or so with free xp scrolls given along the way and with daily login bonuses. Even making a crafter is so much easier, especially with free instant research scrolls given all the time.
Now zos could make it HEAPS easier to get into pvp, by simply making a tutorial when you first enter cyrodil, especially if it is your first character to enter cyrodil. Go over the mechanics i listed, say something about the importance of impen and running food/pots even from the seige merchant. Possibly even show they where the wayshrine to leave is.3 -
kingsforged wrote: »kingsforged wrote: »
Someone legit posted saying pvp has only TWO events every year. While PVE has many every month or so. If you dont like pvp then DON'T! Pvp it's that plain and simple, I have seen below level 50s wreck Champion point players.
[Edit to remove bait]
Champion points are ACCOUNT-WIDE, just because they're not level 50 doesn't mean they don't have CP lol - you just can't see it!
My dude, Champion Points are disabled in Battlegrounds, both lvl 50 and under 50
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kingsforged✭✭✭DraconicFalcon wrote: »kingsforged wrote: »kingsforged wrote: »
Someone legit posted saying pvp has only TWO events every year. While PVE has many every month or so. If you dont like pvp then DON'T! Pvp it's that plain and simple, I have seen below level 50s wreck Champion point players.
[Edit to remove bait]
Champion points are ACCOUNT-WIDE, just because they're not level 50 doesn't mean they don't have CP lol - you just can't see it!
My dude, Champion Points are disabled in Battlegrounds.
... and a pre-50 can't fight a level 50 in a BG...0 -
kingsforged wrote: »DraconicFalcon wrote: »kingsforged wrote: »kingsforged wrote: »
Someone legit posted saying pvp has only TWO events every year. While PVE has many every month or so. If you dont like pvp then DON'T! Pvp it's that plain and simple, I have seen below level 50s wreck Champion point players.
[Edit to remove bait]
Champion points are ACCOUNT-WIDE, just because they're not level 50 doesn't mean they don't have CP lol - you just can't see it!
My dude, Champion Points are disabled in Battlegrounds.
... and a pre-50 can't fight a level 50 in a BG...
Your point being?
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kingsforged✭✭✭Rave the Histborn wrote: »kingsforged wrote: »Fur_like_snow wrote: »I had a blast in sub 50 when I first started playing. Maybe PvP isn’t for you try some quests in overland that’s prob more up to your speed OP.
https://imgur.com/a/yUxucw7
You're linking the cream of the crop pvpers. Get over your complex, learn to pvp and get to their level. Dont tell other people to give up because you think it can't be done.
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HalvarIronfist✭✭✭✭HalvarIronfist wrote: »
If you think the SETS alone qualify for that much damage, and those kind of scores, it does not.
*cough*bull*****cough*
excuse me.
Okay, go find the newest level 10 player, give them two damage crafted sets, and show me their results. I can assure you it will NOT be 38-2 with 1.7m damage.1 -
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✭kingsforged wrote: »DraconicFalcon wrote: »kingsforged wrote: »kingsforged wrote: »
Someone legit posted saying pvp has only TWO events every year. While PVE has many every month or so. If you dont like pvp then DON'T! Pvp it's that plain and simple, I have seen below level 50s wreck Champion point players.
[Edit to remove bait]
Champion points are ACCOUNT-WIDE, just because they're not level 50 doesn't mean they don't have CP lol - you just can't see it!
My dude, Champion Points are disabled in Battlegrounds.
... and a pre-50 can't fight a level 50 in a BG...
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✭HalvarIronfist wrote: »HalvarIronfist wrote: »
If you think the SETS alone qualify for that much damage, and those kind of scores, it does not.
*cough*bull*****cough*
excuse me.
Okay, go find the newest level 10 player, give them two damage crafted sets, and show me their results. I can assure you it will NOT be 38-2 with 1.7m damage.
That's a nonsequitor, it has nothing to do with the argument.0 -
kingsforged✭✭✭JumpmanLane wrote: »You can’t except, as a NEW player, to compete with people who have been playing the game for years. That’s just life.
You can’t expect to have the knowledge, the gear, or even the MEANS to get the gear when logging in for the first time. Put in the time. Put in your dues.
Why should people be expected to put time into a game that in no way supports them as new customers? People don't seem to understand what I'm getting at here... I'm not saying EXP players should be on the same field as totally new players, I'm saying THE GAP between the two is utterly ridiculous to the point that skill means next to nothing.1 -
kingsforged✭✭✭HalvarIronfist wrote: »That's your definition of good? I hate to say it, but if you want to get into PVP, just like end game content. You need to learn and grow. If I go into a dlc dungeon even on normal trying to do 1h/shield DPS, I won't likely hit 10k and ill be pretty useless.
With six traits, I can pull off this kind of game with purple crafted gear, easily and cheaply obtained buff drink, and only AP bought potions.
The cut part is the hate-whispers I received from another player. Had to be cut due to language.
If you think the SETS alone qualify for that much damage, and those kind of scores, it does not.
If I never learned to PVP, or learned mechanics to help my reactions to events happening in PVP, the sets would do nothing but give me a nice start. You need to learn to build, learn to play, and THEN worry about how you perform.
For example; when I first started PVP, EVER. I was a PVE-Only Player, never touched it. I made a 2h/2h Stamden ww because I didn't know any better. I crafted hundings and fortified brass in purple. Could I get kills? Sure. Did I die a lot more than I killed others? Often. There is no "new player protection" to PVP. If you want to learn, you have to do it the hard way like almost everyone else had to. Is it fair? No, but you're fighting real players, why should anything be fair? I never build a PVP character to be fair to my opponents. I do it to kill them first, and not die doing it.
Like aforementioned, if you're worried about comparisons, you'll be here until Oblivion freezes over. If you want to help people, try to politely teach them, offer feedback, or even if you have such power, invite them to a willing guild. You'd be surprised how a little kindness towards a new player will take off for them. I've met plenty of people who've voluntarily joined my guilds after I've done PVE/PVP with them and offered some insight and offered to introduce them to people who will help.
The problem isn't that players are allowed to do it, it's that people don't want to improve/or they're too discouraged from improving because it seems like work. You'll never get better if you only fight people at your same MMR/Skill level and they can never have an advantage.
Those kinds of scores are literally 90% gear... you're kidding yourself if you think otherwise. If they were equally geared, even with far less skill, you wouldn't come close to that.0 -
kingsforged✭✭✭Learning to play instead of whining about something you're bad at straight off the bat is always an option.
Learning to read a thread instead of mouthing off with a pointless and entirely wrong opinion that adds nothing to the discussion is also an option. https://imgur.com/a/yUxucw70 -
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✭kingsforged wrote: »If you're new or new-ish player, just don't play PVP. ESPECIALLY below Level 50.
Absolutely ZERO thought or effort has gone into maintaining ANY kind of balance in any of the PVP game modes. Below level 50 being some of the absolute worst of it. If you can't craft top-tier gear, buffs and potions (which can take months to research enough traits to do) and pay to unlock the extra skill lines (maxed out using a high level main) using Crowns, you have absolutely NO chance of competing AT ALL.
It's not a question of skill or class. It's not a question of builds. You can't "git gud". It's a pure "craft and pay to win" game and there's nothing you can do about it.
If you're looking for a PVP game to jump into. This isn't it. Don't waste your time or your money.
Dude pvp as a new player will get you destroyed until you learn. You can't expect to be godly instantly.IGN: Ki'rah
Khajiit/Vampire
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kingsforged✭✭✭kingsforged wrote: »If you're new or new-ish player, just don't play PVP. ESPECIALLY below Level 50.
Absolutely ZERO thought or effort has gone into maintaining ANY kind of balance in any of the PVP game modes. Below level 50 being some of the absolute worst of it. If you can't craft top-tier gear, buffs and potions (which can take months to research enough traits to do) and pay to unlock the extra skill lines (maxed out using a high level main) using Crowns, you have absolutely NO chance of competing AT ALL.
It's not a question of skill or class. It's not a question of builds. You can't "git gud". It's a pure "craft and pay to win" game and there's nothing you can do about it.
If you're looking for a PVP game to jump into. This isn't it. Don't waste your time or your money.
Dude pvp as a new player will get you destroyed until you learn. You can't expect to be godly instantly.
Ughhhhh... what about this is SO difficult for people to understand...
THE. GAP. BETWEEN. EXPERIENCED. PLAYERS. USING. CRAFTED. ITEMS. IS. TOO. LARGE. COMPARED. TO. NEW. PLAYERS.
Newer players have NO way to compete against crafted sets, especially in pre-50s PVP content. There is no gear that can be acquired in a reasonable fashion to be competitive as a newer player, outside of having an experienced player craft and gift it to you.
I HAVE crafted gear. This is not about me. It's about people getting screwed by this completely unbalanced system.0 -
kingsforged✭✭✭Rave the Histborn wrote: »kingsforged wrote: »DraconicFalcon wrote: »kingsforged wrote: »kingsforged wrote: »
Someone legit posted saying pvp has only TWO events every year. While PVE has many every month or so. If you dont like pvp then DON'T! Pvp it's that plain and simple, I have seen below level 50s wreck Champion point players.
[Edit to remove bait]
Champion points are ACCOUNT-WIDE, just because they're not level 50 doesn't mean they don't have CP lol - you just can't see it!
My dude, Champion Points are disabled in Battlegrounds.
... and a pre-50 can't fight a level 50 in a BG...
Of course they can, they have stat scaling to bring them in line with each other
BGs use levels 10-49... literally says it in the description.0 -
kingsforged✭✭✭DraconicFalcon wrote: »kingsforged wrote: »DraconicFalcon wrote: »kingsforged wrote: »kingsforged wrote: »
Someone legit posted saying pvp has only TWO events every year. While PVE has many every month or so. If you dont like pvp then DON'T! Pvp it's that plain and simple, I have seen below level 50s wreck Champion point players.
[Edit to remove bait]
Champion points are ACCOUNT-WIDE, just because they're not level 50 doesn't mean they don't have CP lol - you just can't see it!
My dude, Champion Points are disabled in Battlegrounds.
... and a pre-50 can't fight a level 50 in a BG...
Your point being?
You've just jumped into someone elses thread and expected to make sense... my point being I was replying to a guy who said he'd seen pre-50s beat level 50s... I said just because you can't see their CP doesn't mean they don't have any... he says a 50 could fight a pre-50 in a BG... I said they can't because BGs scale 10-490
