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Easiest DPS Class (PvE)
jkloza
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Hey all,
Struggling with an enjoyable DPS Class in this game. My magden is pretty well geared at this point (2x skoria, 5x BSW, 5x Necropotence, VMA inferno) and I'm lucky if i can hit 30-33k on a target dummy. I see these perfect parses of 85-90k and wonder what I'm doing wrong.
Any suggestions for how to improve my parses, or a class with a static rotation that's relatively easy to pickup?
Thanks I'm advance!
Struggling with an enjoyable DPS Class in this game. My magden is pretty well geared at this point (2x skoria, 5x BSW, 5x Necropotence, VMA inferno) and I'm lucky if i can hit 30-33k on a target dummy. I see these perfect parses of 85-90k and wonder what I'm doing wrong.
Any suggestions for how to improve my parses, or a class with a static rotation that's relatively easy to pickup?
Thanks I'm advance!
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zvavi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭If you are on pc, get combat metrix, ask for specific advise, and a lot of practice
Edit: if you are on console, get on pts next week, and do the same.
Edit2: people can't help if they don't have the info for the problem.Edited by zvavi on January 19, 2020 2:05PM0 -
JanTanhide✭✭✭✭✭
✭Well, I don't know what the best or most enjoyable class is for you. That's a personal thing. But for new players the magicka Templar is very easy to play and learn.
As for DPS parses I suck at them. I don't even try to get a parse done. Instead what I do is build my characters to be able to solo dungeons and survive. I think my best DPS parse was 35K yet I've completed almost all content in Vet and Vet HM.
Heck, I soloed Arx the other day in Vet and completed Hard mode.
Lot of gear sets that work well these days with some of them being crafted sets. I won't name them here because someone will start a Nerf thread about them. As for parses that work well I suggest checking out Alcast's website or some other high powered players. Those folks can get 80K to over 100K parses. Dang if I can do that.
Good luck and I hope you get your parses up where you want them.0 -
zvavi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭JanTanhide wrote: »I won't name them here because someone will start a Nerf thread about them.
Lemme throw a wild guess here, nerf mechanical acuity and new moons acolyte.0 -
macsmooth✭✭✭✭Just curious which target dummy are you using?Hey all,
Struggling with an enjoyable DPS Class in this game. My magden is pretty well geared at this point (2x skoria, 5x BSW, 5x Necropotence, VMA inferno) and I'm lucky if i can hit 30-33k on a target dummy. I see these perfect parses of 85-90k and wonder what I'm doing wrong.
Any suggestions for how to improve my parses, or a class with a static rotation that's relatively easy to pickup?
Thanks I'm advance!
Edited by macsmooth on January 19, 2020 2:23PM0 -
JinMori✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭When i left i found mag plar, stam warden stam dk and mag dk to be the easier specs to do dps with.
Instead mag warden, mag nb, and stam nb the hardest. Honestly, aside from the ones i listed here, all other classes are quite easy to play.
But this was months ago.Edited by JinMori on January 19, 2020 2:42PM0 -
jkloza✭✭I'm parsing on both the 3 mil and 6 mil dummy currently. Dont have a raid dummy to test on.0
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Nord_Raseri✭✭✭✭✭
✭I'm parsing on both the 3 mil and 6 mil dummy currently. Dont have a raid dummy to test on.
Those 85-90k parse are done on the Iron atro. Your 30k would be higher on one of those as well. Edit: Not 60k higher, but still higher.Edited by Nord_Raseri on January 19, 2020 5:15PMVeit ég aðég hékk vindga meiði á nætr allar níu, geiri undaðr og gefinn Oðni, sjálfr sjálfum mér, á þeim meiði er manngi veit hvers hann af rótum rennr.0 -
WrathOfInnos✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Definitely use a raid dummy, sustain in nearly impossible on a 6 mil. Also use Ghastly Eyebowl food for sustain, that will let you run 3X Spell Damage enchants on jewelry. Best gear for high numbers is Perf Siroria (front bar Inferno, Precise with Flame enchant) + Mother’s Sorrow + Zaan + Maelstrom Inferno (Infused with Berserker enchant). Armor should be all divines with Shadow Stone and jewelry all Bloodthirsty. Beyond that it will just come down to rotation and skills. What are you currently using?0 -
karekiz✭✭✭✭✭
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Doesn't like every video posted basically use parse food? Or at least it seems to me.
[edited to remove quoted content]Edited by ZOS_Ragnar on November 24, 2021 5:59PM0 -
JinMori✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭SidewalkChalk5 wrote: »WrathOfInnos wrote: »Also use Ghastly Eyebowl food for sustain, that will let you run 3X Spell Damage enchants on jewelry.
So much cringe. Don't do that. No self-respecting raid leader is going to accept an inflated parse using cheese food. Have the integrity to test your build exactly as you'll run it in a dungeon or trial. Artificially inflated parses do not make one a good player.
Doesn't like every video posted basically use parse food? Or at least it seems to me.
Yes, they do.
That guy understands pretty much nothing about why those parses are made.
If you think about it for more than a second, you would understand that the reason they do that is to standardize parses, and that using sustain food is not indicative of your skills as a player, but rather what's indicative of at least how good you are at dealing damage is how you are doing compared to other people with the same setup.
For example, if we compare 2 people having the same exact setup and everything, but one does 50k while the other does 90 or 100k, we can see that one clearly knows the rotation better, it's not about the sustain food.
Those skills don't magically disappear because you now use normal trial food instead of sustain food.
Lots of "geniuses" on this forum it seems, like pretty much any other game forum.
How come that these people who post these parses with sustain food and trial dummy etc... Are also pretty much the best players in the game? Makes you think...Edited by JinMori on January 19, 2020 6:56PM9 -
Runefang✭✭✭✭✭
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To answer the OPs question: there is no answer. It’ll change every patch, currently it’s Stamplar for easiest but if you level and gear one up you’ll only get frustrated next patch.
For Magdens this is my static rotation which I’ve hit 82k with on the trial dummy (I’d about guarantee a better player hits 84-85k with this)
Fissure > BS > Winters Revenge > Unstable > BS
Fissure > Soul Trap > Fetcher > Degeneration
Fissure > Bear > BS > Trap
Fissure > BS > Winters Revenge > Unstable > BS
Fissure > Soul Trap > Fetcher > Degeneration
Fissure > BS > Netch > Scalding Rune
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Gnortranermara✭✭✭✭✭
✭If you think about it for more than a second, you would understand that the reason they do that is to standardize parsesIgnore this guy, parse food is used to standardize parses
LMAO, that's not how "standardizing" works. "Standardizing" refers to testing under the same external conditions (Ele Drain, Puncture, same buffs/debuffs), but it does NOT mean altering your actual build to a "standard" setup that you don't really run. Those parses are absolutely meaningless because those people running cheese food run a variety of different foods in real content. If 4 people run Ghastly on a parse, but those same 4 people run Bistat, Witchmothers, Clockwork, and Arteum (oops, did I spill the beans?) in content, each of them is affected differently by swapping to a fake food. That is the precise OPPOSITE of "standardization". Running fake food does nothing but artificially boost numbers for people without adequate recovery to sustain a real rotation in content. All those deceptively padded "1 HUNDRED MILLION K!" parses on Youtube are full of crap.Edited by Gnortranermara on January 19, 2020 9:23PM1 -
zvavi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭SidewalkChalk5 wrote: »If you think about it for more than a second, you would understand that the reason they do that is to standardize parsesIgnore this guy, parse food is used to standardize parses
LMAO, that's not how "standardizing" works. "Standardizing" refers to testing under the same external conditions (Ele Drain, Puncture, same buffs/debuffs), but it does NOT mean altering your actual build to a "standard" setup that you don't really run. Those parses are absolutely meaningless because those people running cheese food run a variety of different foods in real content. If 4 people run Ghastly on a parse, but those same 4 people run Bistat, Witchmothers, Clockwork, and Arteum (oops, did I spill the beans?) in content, each of them is affected differently by swapping to a fake food. Running fake food does nothing but artificially boost numbers for people without adequate recovery to sustain a real rotation in content. All those deceptively padded "1 HUNDRED MILLION K!" parses on Youtube are full of crap.
Thing is, mate, in real trial in addition to the normal shards, you get master resto, sentinel/symphony, hollowfang, at least two more synergies to proc on cooldown (templar+warden) and soul trap on adds. So using "cheese" food comes to serve as a way to simulate the sustain inside the trial. So if you think that using such food is full of crap and cheesing, be my guest, but dont mislead others please
Edit: if anything i need to change my build to sustain on a 21 m if i dont use parse food, while in trial, i would stay with the setup i used on the "cheesed" dummy.Edited by zvavi on January 19, 2020 9:32PM6 -
Taemiru✭✭✭SidewalkChalk5 wrote: »
LMAO, that's not how "standardizing" works. "Standardizing" refers to testing under the same external conditions (Ele Drain, Puncture, same buffs/debuffs), but it does NOT mean altering your actual build to a "standard" setup that you don't really run. Those parses are absolutely meaningless because those people running cheese food run a variety of different foods in real content. If 4 people run Ghastly on a parse, but those same 4 people run Bistat, Witchmothers, Clockwork, and Arteum (oops, did I spill the beans?) in content, each of them is affected differently by swapping to a fake food. That is the precise OPPOSITE of "standardization". Running fake food does nothing but artificially boost numbers for people without adequate recovery to sustain a real rotation in content. All those deceptively padded "1 HUNDRED MILLION K!" parses on Youtube are full of crap.
You should message it in some endgame score pushing discord like TRI, im sure they will have a good laugh.
And now lemme tell you a secret, your raid dummy damage.... *dramatic sounds* DO NOT TRANSFER TO REAL FIGHT!!! unless you fighting one of those standing still bosses and even then it all depends on your group supports, if your group is not some pug craglorn your will get more synergies than a shard every 20sec, and you will have supporting sets that will allow you in theory to pull more damage on actual boss than on target dummy.
The target dummy is not that much about damage that you do, because lets be real, there is tons of dummy warriors who lie on the floor in real raid, reason why we parse on dummy is so raid leader can see that you are able to hit light attacks and hold your rotation before they take you in some serious fight.0 -
karekiz✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Just how much does stuff like eye bowl actually effect the parse <assuming both can sustain w/o HA's> anyway?0 -
Gnortranermara✭✭✭✭✭
✭Just how much does stuff like eye bowl actually effect the parse <assuming both can sustain w/o HA's> anyway?
Depends what you're swapping from. If you sustain fine with bistat, using cheese food will just alter your Max Mag a little and have minimal impact on your test results. But most people who switch from bistat to cheese food can't sustain (that's why they do it, and why they desperately try to convince others that their phony numbers are meaningful somehow). If you normally run Witchmothers/Clockwork, then both your Max Mag and recovery are getting phony boosts, so your test ends up even further divorced from real performance. The disparate impact of cheese food on different builds is the reason why it is NOT "standardizing" at all. That's just a self-serving myth for people with bad math and logic skills.0 -
Runefang✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭SidewalkChalk5 wrote: »Just how much does stuff like eye bowl actually effect the parse <assuming both can sustain w/o HA's> anyway?
Depends what you're swapping from. If you sustain fine with bistat, using cheese food will just alter your Max Mag a little and have minimal impact on your test results. But most people who switch from bistat to cheese food can't sustain (that's why they do it, and why they desperately try to convince others that their phony numbers are meaningful somehow). If you normally run Witchmothers/Clockwork, then both your Max Mag and recovery are getting phony boosts, so your test ends up even further divorced from real performance. The disparate impact of cheese food on different builds is the reason why it is NOT "standardizing" at all. That's just a self-serving myth for people with bad math and logic skills.
That’s nonsense. People take their parsing builds into real trials all the time with the only thing that changes is the food.
There are so many differences between a real trial and parsing on a dummy you can’t possibly adjust for them. Each boss fight is different. So it’s a comparison of optimal outputs. And even Ghastly eye bowl can be used in certain fights where incoming damage is low.1 -
Gnortranermara✭✭✭✭✭
✭That’s nonsense. People take their parsing builds into real trials all the time with the only thing that changes is the food.
What exactly does running content have to do with whether or not their test results are inflated? I never said that inflating your numbers on a dummy renders the build useless and incapable of completing content. What I'm saying is that inflated numbers are inaccurate measurements. Two guys might both hit 80k each on cheese food (which eases sustain pressure), but one continues hitting 78k on Witchmother's while the other drops to 60k on bistat in the trial because he's heavy attacking half the time. That dummy already gives you shards, so if you can't sustain on your real food you need more recovery. Good raid leaders shouldn't accept all the cheesy crap people do on parses to pretend they're DPS heroes.1 -
Joxer61✭✭✭✭✭Syrusthevirus187 wrote: »@SidewalkChalk5 I think you're on your own on this one.
nah, I with him/her...…..dummy is as dummy does. good to learn rotations and such, should never be used as a measurement of actual fight.0 -
Haquor✭✭✭✭✭Syrusthevirus187 wrote: »@SidewalkChalk5 I think you're on your own on this one.
nah, I with him/her...…..dummy is as dummy does. good to learn rotations and such, should never be used as a measurement of actual fight.
No. But if the damage output is natural, demonstrated by the dummy parse, then the application of that dps while adhering to mechanics is easier during an actual fight.1 -
WrathOfInnos✭✭✭✭✭
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If someone sends me a parse where they are spamming heavy attacks because they are trying to sustain bistat health food on a raid dummy I am going to laugh and ask them to redo it. In raid we have Hollowfang, Worm, Symphony of Blades, and far more synergies than just Orbs. Solo sustain is unreasonably bad this patch, and optimizing around that makes for a poor trial build.
[edited to remove quoted content]Edited by ZOS_Ragnar on November 24, 2021 6:06PM4 -
zvavi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭WrathOfInnos wrote: »SidewalkChalk5 wrote: »WrathOfInnos wrote: »Also use Ghastly Eyebowl food for sustain, that will let you run 3X Spell Damage enchants on jewelry.
So much cringe. Don't do that. No self-respecting raid leader is going to accept an inflated parse using cheese food. Have the integrity to test your build exactly as you'll run it in a dungeon or trial. Artificially inflated parses do not make one a good player.
Lol, I am a self-respecting raid leader, Children of Magnus core in Nightfighters on PC/NA. If someone sends me a parse where they are spamming heavy attacks because they are trying to sustain bistat health food on a raid dummy I am going to laugh and ask them to redo it. In raid we have Hollowfang, Worm, Symphony of Blades, and far more synergies than just Orbs. Solo sustain is unreasonably bad this patch, and optimizing around that makes for a poor trial build.
I already told him but he just ignored it :shrug: dont forget double master resto too
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WrathOfInnos✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭WrathOfInnos wrote: »SidewalkChalk5 wrote: »WrathOfInnos wrote: »Also use Ghastly Eyebowl food for sustain, that will let you run 3X Spell Damage enchants on jewelry.
So much cringe. Don't do that. No self-respecting raid leader is going to accept an inflated parse using cheese food. Have the integrity to test your build exactly as you'll run it in a dungeon or trial. Artificially inflated parses do not make one a good player.
Lol, I am a self-respecting raid leader, Children of Magnus core in Nightfighters on PC/NA. If someone sends me a parse where they are spamming heavy attacks because they are trying to sustain bistat health food on a raid dummy I am going to laugh and ask them to redo it. In raid we have Hollowfang, Worm, Symphony of Blades, and far more synergies than just Orbs. Solo sustain is unreasonably bad this patch, and optimizing around that makes for a poor trial build.
I already told him but he just ignored it :shrug: dont forget double master resto too
Ah true, we’ve got those too, and some great healers to use them.0 -
zvavi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭WrathOfInnos wrote: »WrathOfInnos wrote: »SidewalkChalk5 wrote: »WrathOfInnos wrote: »Also use Ghastly Eyebowl food for sustain, that will let you run 3X Spell Damage enchants on jewelry.
So much cringe. Don't do that. No self-respecting raid leader is going to accept an inflated parse using cheese food. Have the integrity to test your build exactly as you'll run it in a dungeon or trial. Artificially inflated parses do not make one a good player.
Lol, I am a self-respecting raid leader, Children of Magnus core in Nightfighters on PC/NA. If someone sends me a parse where they are spamming heavy attacks because they are trying to sustain bistat health food on a raid dummy I am going to laugh and ask them to redo it. In raid we have Hollowfang, Worm, Symphony of Blades, and far more synergies than just Orbs. Solo sustain is unreasonably bad this patch, and optimizing around that makes for a poor trial build.
I already told him but he just ignored it :shrug: dont forget double master resto too
Ah true, we’ve got those too, and some great healers to use them.
I wish they would give dk class synergy that can be procced by everyone, i will finally be able to seriously heal in trials then.0
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