Full 4 man team with healer vs 3 man PUG vs 2 man PUG. What could go wrong?

Langeston · December 2019

This isn't much better than an infinite loading screen, ZOS.

[Edit] I don't know if they were premade or PUG, all I know is that all 4 popped in at the same time while the other 2 teams filtered in & never filled up.

The only reason we really got any kills was that they got cocky after a while & started taunting us once it became clear that we weren't much of a threat.

In any case, my point was that this matchup never should have occurred, even if all 3 teams were PUGs. This garbage happens all the time.

Gravord · December 2019

Hold on. Are you telling me full team with a healer managed to die 11 times vs barely 5 enemies on both other teams? Disgraceful performance on their part.

Royaji · December 2019

Yeah, either that was a really garbage pre-made or just some above average solo players who got lucky to get a full team and a healer. Proper pre-mades go 20 in 1, not 9 in 6.

ChunkyCat · December 2019

Is that Chaosball?

MusCanus · December 2019

Almost every bg match is now a chaosball. One group is balling up on other 2 and there is chaos all around.

azjuwelz · December 2019

Server?

I've been noticing more chaosball lately as well, though it could be rng.

I still haven't seen a single bg where all teams have 4 players since the latest patch. Each time I'm praying that I'll have 4 on my team.

Langeston · December 2019

azjuwelz wrote: »

Server?

I've been noticing more chaosball lately as well, though it could be rng.

I still haven't seen a single bg where all teams have 4 players since the latest patch. Each time I'm praying that I'll have 4 on my team.

NA. And this was deathmatch.

I played in 3 BGs in a row yesterday where I only had one other teammate, vs 2 full teams. I'm tired of all the bugs in this game.

Toon_Raider · December 2019

I Had a death match and we were only 2 vs 4 for the other teams.

I thought it was going to be a slaughter for us.

We started of bad and after 5 min we had 0 and one team had 200.

Then we started getting kills and finished up winning even with 10 deaths each.

Not sure if the other teams were bad or we were just awesome.

We both scored over 6k points each.

Was very surprised but happy.

Did it on a new Stamplar that just reached VET and i ran my PVE gear and skills.
just wanted to do the daily to level some skills.
Can't remember what class the other guy was but it was magic.

Iskiab · December 2019

You can win 2v4v4s but only with a good comp of 2.

Did it with myself and a good magsorc as a MagTemplar.

Had another game on my MagWarden with a good stamsorc and we did okayish but lost.

If the other person you’re with is really good and you figure out a way to complement each other it can work but it’s hard.

MusCanus · December 2019

Iskiab wrote: »

You can win 2v4v4s but only with a good comp of 2.

Did it with myself and a good magsorc as a MagTemplar.

Had another game on my MagWarden with a good stamsorc and we did okayish but lost.

If the other person you’re with is really good and you figure out a way to complement each other it can work but it’s hard.

Or you can just have 8 complete potatoes against you and win by yourself. I remember that one match where I was pretty sure I could make it alone. Got my ass handed to me multiple times in the next one. Matchmaking is like that nowadays.

Gravord · December 2019

Iskiab wrote: »

You can win 2v4v4s but only with a good comp of 2.

Not even with a good comp, alt char with decent random can be enough.

Idontexist · December 2019

Premades ruin ever single battleground style game that exists... pretty gross, give us solo only queues ffs.

Langeston · December 2019

MusCanus wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

You can win 2v4v4s but only with a good comp of 2.

Did it with myself and a good magsorc as a MagTemplar.

Had another game on my MagWarden with a good stamsorc and we did okayish but lost.

If the other person you’re with is really good and you figure out a way to complement each other it can work but it’s hard.

Or you can just have 8 complete potatoes against you and win by yourself. I remember that one match where I was pretty sure I could make it alone. Got my ass handed to me multiple times in the next one. Matchmaking is like that nowadays.

I actually did do this one time. I was on my mag gankblade by myself against 2 full teams, & they were almost all NBs too. So I was cloaking around ganking them while they fought each other, lol. I had something like 27 kills & 1 death.

Iskiab · December 2019

Yea, I just meant against good opponents. Against all new players anything’s possible.

Langeston · December 2019

Iskiab wrote: »

Yea, I just meant against good opponents. Against all new players anything’s possible.

Oh I know, I didn't feel a great sense of accomplishment or anything, I just thought it was a funny anecdote. I laughed out loud at the end of the match when I saw the scoreboard. 4v4v1 & the 1 won.

Thannazzar · January 2020

makes a change from 2 4x Pre-mades Win Trading I suppose.

hesobad · January 2020

Langeston wrote: »

This isn't much better than an infinite loading screen, ZOS.

[Edit] I don't know if they were premade or PUG, all I know is that all 4 popped in at the same time while the other 2 teams filtered in & never filled up.

The only reason we really got any kills was that they got cocky after a while & started taunting us once it became clear that we weren't much of a threat.

In any case, my point was that this matchup never should have occurred, even if all 3 teams were PUGs. This garbage happens all the time.

This *** happens ALL THE DAMN TIME!! You get full stack pre mades against solo qs and they *** on people because theyre in comms and coordinating ults on a player who is on a team of headless chickens. not to mention the fact that the que system is *** broken and often will just disconnect you or another player on your team who was loading in and the team than remains at 3 or 2 players all game... its garbage.

relentless_turnip · January 2020

We were outnumbered and ended up doing really well on this one. I quite like the challenge, not when you are a two man versus premades mind you 😭

Iskiab · January 2020

hesobad wrote: »

Langeston wrote: »

This isn't much better than an infinite loading screen, ZOS.

[Edit] I don't know if they were premade or PUG, all I know is that all 4 popped in at the same time while the other 2 teams filtered in & never filled up.

The only reason we really got any kills was that they got cocky after a while & started taunting us once it became clear that we weren't much of a threat.

In any case, my point was that this matchup never should have occurred, even if all 3 teams were PUGs. This garbage happens all the time.

This *** happens ALL THE DAMN TIME!! You get full stack pre mades against solo qs and they *** on people because theyre in comms and coordinating ults on a player who is on a team of headless chickens. not to mention the fact that the que system is *** broken and often will just disconnect you or another player on your team who was loading in and the team than remains at 3 or 2 players all game... its garbage.

There are some but not a lot of premades. What’s actually happening is people who know how to pvp are sticking together. A lot of players just run off and do dumb things so think they’re fighting a premade, but really it’s that they’re too inexperienced and can’t read the flow of pvp.

This is especially true of stam players. A lot haven’t learned a thing and their only tactic is to charge - die - charge - die and then wonder why they keep losing.

Amksed1991 · January 2020

Toon_Raider wrote: »

I Had a death match and we were only 2 vs 4 for the other teams.

I thought it was going to be a slaughter for us.

We started of bad and after 5 min we had 0 and one team had 200.

Then we started getting kills and finished up winning even with 10 deaths each.

Not sure if the other teams were bad or we were just awesome.

We both scored over 6k points each.

Was very surprised but happy.

Did it on a new Stamplar that just reached VET and i ran my PVE gear and skills.
just wanted to do the daily to level some skills.
Can't remember what class the other guy was but it was magic.

That might have been me.

I was on a Magplar.

idk · January 2020

I do not understand what OP is upset about. Was it that two groups never filled and has to face a full group of 4 or is OP assuming they had to face a premade and are complaining about that?

If it was the grouping, Zos needs to fix back filling groups as it is a major issue that happens all to often. If the complaint is guessing they faced pugs, not all pug groups run around like they are playing solo matches. Not to mention a full group against a half full group clearly as advantages.

Zer0_CooL · January 2020

looks like one guy carring a whole squad, i doubt this was a premade.

Langeston · January 2020

idk wrote: »

I do not understand what OP is upset about. Was it that two groups never filled and has to face a full group of 4 or is OP assuming they had to face a premade and are complaining about that?

If it was the grouping, Zos needs to fix back filling groups as it is a major issue that happens all to often. If the complaint is guessing they faced pugs, not all pug groups run around like they are playing solo matches. Not to mention a full group against a half full group clearly as advantages.

We went from broken queues with infinite loading screens to matches starting where the group makeup is frequently something along the lines of 4 v 2 v 1, and they never fill up. I said that the latter is no better than the former. I'm not sure what you find so difficult to understand about that.

Personally, I don't think you should even get pulled into a BG unless there is at least 3 people to a team.

idk · January 2020

Langeston wrote: »

idk wrote: »

I do not understand what OP is upset about. Was it that two groups never filled and has to face a full group of 4 or is OP assuming they had to face a premade and are complaining about that?

If it was the grouping, Zos needs to fix back filling groups as it is a major issue that happens all to often. If the complaint is guessing they faced pugs, not all pug groups run around like they are playing solo matches. Not to mention a full group against a half full group clearly as advantages.

We went from broken queues with infinite loading screens to matches starting where the group makeup is frequently something along the lines of 4 v 2 v 1, and they never fill up. I said that the latter is no better than the former. I'm not sure what you find so difficult to understand about that.

Personally, I don't think you should even get pulled into a BG unless there is at least 3 people to a team.

Have you read the thread or even your own edited OP. You make it clear as mud by mentioning premades which is something many players complain about because they lost. So Duh.

But over all, yea, BGs are screwed in many ways. And as I said, when they do happen Zos' system does not seem to even try to backfill groups.

Langeston · January 2020

idk wrote: »

Langeston wrote: »

idk wrote: »

I do not understand what OP is upset about. Was it that two groups never filled and has to face a full group of 4 or is OP assuming they had to face a premade and are complaining about that?

If it was the grouping, Zos needs to fix back filling groups as it is a major issue that happens all to often. If the complaint is guessing they faced pugs, not all pug groups run around like they are playing solo matches. Not to mention a full group against a half full group clearly as advantages.

We went from broken queues with infinite loading screens to matches starting where the group makeup is frequently something along the lines of 4 v 2 v 1, and they never fill up. I said that the latter is no better than the former. I'm not sure what you find so difficult to understand about that.

Personally, I don't think you should even get pulled into a BG unless there is at least 3 people to a team.

Have you read the thread or even your own edited OP. You make it clear as mud by mentioning premades which is something many players complain about because they lost. So Duh.

But over all, yea, BGs are screwed in many ways. And as I said, when they do happen Zos' system does not seem to even try to backfill groups.

Good God man, this isn't difficult.
The initial post was a complaint about a full 4 man group vs 2 partial groups. My edit was in response to other posters saying that it likely wasn't a "premade" — I said I don't know if it was or not. In any case, whether they were a premade or not was irrelevant to my point. If that's "clear as mud" to you, it says more about you than it does me.

[edit] You know for someone as condescending as you always are, one would think you wouldn't get so easily confused.