Dyngrin wrote: »

... And AD has 3 bubbles for population! Yeah that's great, many of us in the faction fighting for nearly 26 days just for ZOS's horrible LPB design to decide the second place outcome. Of course, off hours population, especially now with the poorly thought out hammer, decides first place.

--Dyn

Have you got any data of the previous hours? Maybe they were low pop long enough to get the bonus? That is how it has always worked.

@Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO and @Minnesinger very well said.
and interesting idea @Ranger209 .

The bonus isn’t going to dc as it almost always seemed to in many of the previous years... yet I don’t recall hearing complaints then..

what I do recall is seeing them with the bonus while sitting at equivalent bars for many of those low pop hours... so, it’s good to know that it’s actually calculated the same for other factions...regardless of how it’s done, at least it’s consistent

lol, zergs 24/7, gates AD, complains about low pop bonus.

enjoy last place again, you earned it.

Maybe don't pick on 2-bar pop factions whilst you're poplocked if you don't want them having a lowpop bonus. Especially don't gate them and take every single thing thye have. EP exists as an enemy faction in Cyrodiil, too, just not AD.

Seems you guys forgot about that, though. Say thanks to Homicide Inc for last place.. you guys on DC definitely earned it for being stupid.

DC does push EP, but they push for AD scrolls first, assuming AD to be the weaker target. If time is left over, then DC pushes EP scrolls. EP has started to focus better at that time to hold on to a territory cushion while most of DC is down south to preserve scrolls until the prime time population logs in.

TheFM wrote: »

DC nightcaps on PC EU NO CP every night with a hoard of 30-50 ppl, and AD still won. You need to try harder.

I do however think the low pop bonus is complete garbage. Based on average amount instead of actual population. We need to REDUCE the amount of points awarded based on population, not increase.

AD morningcapped every day + all scrolls.

PS. I play AD

Well, at least a few replies acknowledged the LPB is a poor design. With the current design, it should at least only be given when a faction's population is actually lower (based on instant pop not average pop) and given/removed frequently, otherwise you get ridiculously high bonuses for a pop that is not actually the lowest pop at the time.

What is really needed though is a true Population Handicap which 'penalizes' the highest pop faction by reducing their PPT based on how higher their pop is compared to the other 2 factions (also instant and frequently changed). The goal is of course to help mitigate pop advantages and keep scores closer thereby making a campaign more competitive.

And speaking of handicaps, the Hammer is just the opposite since it allows the faction with the highest pop to increase their score even more. For instance (assuming EP has the highest pop):

1. EP gets the Hammer, EP takes many keeps much faster than it would even with its pop advantage, EP takes scrolls.
2. AD gets the hammer, EP takes the hammer from AD, EP takes many keeps much faster, EP takes scrolls.
3. DC gets the hammer, EP takes the hammer from DC, EP takes many keeps much faster, EP takes scrolls.

The Hammer can be fun when there are even populations, but when there is the above scenarios (usually the case), the Hammer gives the highest pop faction an ADVANTAGE rather than a HANDICAP. I suggest the highest pop faction can only DESTROY the Hammer and not use it (their handicap) which would be a small step in helping under pop factions.

--Dyn

AD GOOD !
AD POWERFUL !
AD IS NUMBER 1 !

Mr_Walker wrote: »

heng14rwb17_ESO wrote: »

AD GOOD !
AD POWERFUL !
AD IS NUMBER 1 !

Someone's a little overstimulated....

I am sure, already the first quote, was meant to be sarcastic :-)

Anyhow, even in the days of faction lock, I am sure many people couldn't care less about who's winning the campaign and why. Only bad thing about one faction rolling over the map is that it kills PvP in Cyro.

Fengrush has “AD Derangement Syndrome” “yellow cats bad” narrative

antihero727 wrote: »

Fengrush has “AD Derangement Syndrome” “yellow cats bad” narrative

I think he's bored. He's copying himself and is giving people what they expect of him.

To me its interesting to see posts about why a faction loses the campaign- especially seeing people claim players specifically or guilds caused the problem. The problem is and always will be that either you play to win the campaign or you tell stories of the greatness no one else sees for virtual ego boost. Anything else is excuse making. If you know groups take more stuff if they play the map and are not in guild- that is part of the problem. If you look for 'good fights' and ignore map telling all others 'we don't care'- that is part of the problem. There is no better way to record who makes better fight choices and wins more fights than the scoring system in cyro- NONE. You cant lie to it, you cant embellish it, you cant misremember what actually happened and who won....and when you lose the camp there is only a handful of things it could be.

1. You don't know how to play the map
2. You don't play for points cause you are unconvinced taking stuff shows who wins tactical fights and made better decisions
3. You consider running away when it gets hot and hiding from the fight 'winning'
4. You play solo or 1vx humping rocks and trees all day
5. You got outplayed over a 30 day period by a faction who consistently valued winning over arguing in zone

Looking to place blame on one player or even guilds here and there is not the problem...its an excuse and its a bad one too.