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Make or change a skill to be the stamina equivalent to proxy det
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As updates go on people continue to get tankier and the zergs get bigger and have more healers, I quite often feel like bombing has become rarer and rarer and now solo bombing is no longer viable due to the sheer number of heal bot tanks cruising both cyrodil and the sewers. A skill like a morph of whirlwind or blade cloak could be turned in to a skill with mechanics like proxy det which with a delayed timer would increase the damage done based on targets hit, making stamina glass cannon style bombing more viable and give small scale stamina players a direct counter to zerging.
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BaiterOfZergs✭✭✭✭✭People already complain about stam being leagues ahead in pvp, this will never be allowed unless it’s completely useless by the time it hits live servers.Zerg of House Smallscale, First of his name, wielder of Volendrung, battleground hero, Cyrodiil butcher, the swifft footed, OG of the Templars and first pvpers, defender of scrolls and baiter of zergs.0 -
Fawn4287✭✭✭✭✭
✭BaiterOfZergs wrote: »People already complain about stam being leagues ahead in pvp, this will never be allowed unless it’s completely useless by the time it hits live servers.
People really see pet magsorcs in PVP and think stam is op? They mustn’t be playing the same game1 -
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✭✭BaiterOfZergs wrote: »People already complain about stam being leagues ahead in pvp, this will never be allowed unless it’s completely useless by the time it hits live servers.
People really see pet magsorcs in PVP and think stam is op? They mustn’t be playing the same game
Stamina is parsing much better than magicka since a couple patches ago. Magicka had its moments but those same moments have been nerfed on the way (such as seething fury mDK).
Imho it is not necesary, a stam based proxy could mean you could tank dmg increasing wpn dmg through Fury making a huge explosion.
Throw shield ulti in the equation and it will be even nastier.
Like blazeplars but with much less skillSarcasm is something too serious to be taken lightly
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Iskiab✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭This is a good idea, the only thing I disagree with is copying the Magicka equivalent and giving it to stam. It’d be a lot better if they came up with something original.
Stamina has become uncompetitive in larger scale cyrodiil ever since they moved over to 2h from DW. Their key abilities like onslaught and dizzy don’t work well with lag. Meta right now is all mag because of it.
Maybe instead of vicious death a set that adds a reverse execute against full health targets? IDK.Edited by Iskiab on January 7, 2020 5:38PMLooking for any guildies I used to play with:
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Xvorg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭This is a good idea, the only thing I disagree with is copying the Magicka equivalent and giving it to stam. It’d be a lot better if they came up with something original.
Stamina has become uncompetitive in larger scale cyrodiil ever since they moved over to 2h from DW. Their key abilities like onslaught and dizzy don’t work well with lag. Meta right now is all mag because of it.
Is there any key ability that works well with lag? I think Jabs is the one that behaves more consistently (both mag and stam)Sarcasm is something too serious to be taken lightly
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Iskiab✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭This is a good idea, the only thing I disagree with is copying the Magicka equivalent and giving it to stam. It’d be a lot better if they came up with something original.
Stamina has become uncompetitive in larger scale cyrodiil ever since they moved over to 2h from DW. Their key abilities like onslaught and dizzy don’t work well with lag. Meta right now is all mag because of it.
Is there any key ability that works well with lag? I think Jabs is the one that behaves more consistently (both mag and stam)
Yup, there definitely is, Eye of the storm (follows you) and Prox det work fine.
The first thing that fails are things that require a target (especially aoes), then projectiles, then break free, then heals. If you try using an ability that’s a projectile that hits multiple people... be prepared to have to try and cast it 5x in a row before it works.
As the server bottlenecks it looks like it prioritizes some abilities over others. If an ability is low priority it drops packets like crazy.
It’s also tied to the memory leak. The longer you’ve been playing the less stuff works.
Edit - also just like to add, I only play mag except for a stamwarden healer. I just think it should be a relatively even playing field between mag and stam in cyrodiil so the OP is right.Edited by Iskiab on January 7, 2020 9:22PMLooking for any guildies I used to play with:
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Xvorg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭This is a good idea, the only thing I disagree with is copying the Magicka equivalent and giving it to stam. It’d be a lot better if they came up with something original.
Stamina has become uncompetitive in larger scale cyrodiil ever since they moved over to 2h from DW. Their key abilities like onslaught and dizzy don’t work well with lag. Meta right now is all mag because of it.
Is there any key ability that works well with lag? I think Jabs is the one that behaves more consistently (both mag and stam)
Yup, there definitely is, Eye of the storm (follows you) and Prox det work fine.
The first thing that fails are things that require a target (especially aoes), then projectiles, then break free, then heals. If you try using an ability that’s a projectile that hits multiple people... be prepared to have to try and cast it 5x in a row before it works.
As the server bottlenecks it looks like it prioritizes some abilities over others. If an ability is low priority it drops packets like crazy.
It’s also tied to the memory leak. The longer you’ve been playing the less stuff works.
Edit - also just like to add, I only play mag except for a stamwarden healer. I just think it should be a relatively even playing field between mag and stam in cyrodiil so the OP is right.
Well, I think the possible combos with a stam based proxy deto could be very annoying. Remember that stam has access to 3 non class gap closer. One of them applies a stun, while other applies a snare.
Besides that, Stam a somehow reliable AoE execute, has quite decent mitigation on one skill line, and some of the best dmg and utility skills (DW cloak, Rally, dodgeroll with a bow). Proxy on stam could be overkill...
ON THE OTHER HAND, I have 0 problem if we change inevitable deto to stam, reducing it's cast time to 3~2 secs. That way you can counter magplar's cleanseSarcasm is something too serious to be taken lightly
I was born with the wrong sign
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✭Master 2h is pretty close to what the OP is looking for tbh, just uncap the dmg increase and it would be as good as proxy det.PC/NA
T-Bois (Stam Sorc since 1.4) - AD
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Iskiab✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭This is a good idea, the only thing I disagree with is copying the Magicka equivalent and giving it to stam. It’d be a lot better if they came up with something original.
Stamina has become uncompetitive in larger scale cyrodiil ever since they moved over to 2h from DW. Their key abilities like onslaught and dizzy don’t work well with lag. Meta right now is all mag because of it.
Is there any key ability that works well with lag? I think Jabs is the one that behaves more consistently (both mag and stam)
Yup, there definitely is, Eye of the storm (follows you) and Prox det work fine.
The first thing that fails are things that require a target (especially aoes), then projectiles, then break free, then heals. If you try using an ability that’s a projectile that hits multiple people... be prepared to have to try and cast it 5x in a row before it works.
As the server bottlenecks it looks like it prioritizes some abilities over others. If an ability is low priority it drops packets like crazy.
It’s also tied to the memory leak. The longer you’ve been playing the less stuff works.
Edit - also just like to add, I only play mag except for a stamwarden healer. I just think it should be a relatively even playing field between mag and stam in cyrodiil so the OP is right.
Well, I think the possible combos with a stam based proxy deto could be very annoying. Remember that stam has access to 3 non class gap closer. One of them applies a stun, while other applies a snare.
Besides that, Stam a somehow reliable AoE execute, has quite decent mitigation on one skill line, and some of the best dmg and utility skills (DW cloak, Rally, dodgeroll with a bow). Proxy on stam could be overkill...
ON THE OTHER HAND, I have 0 problem if we change inevitable deto to stam, reducing it's cast time to 3~2 secs. That way you can counter magplar's cleanse
Inevitable det gets used quite a bit as a ball group counter (lag permitting because cast times fail with lag too).
The more I think about it the more a reverse execute would be a good idea. Make it so stam can contribute getting people low, and mag finish people off with vicious death. A lot of stam use vicious death, I always found that silly.Looking for any guildies I used to play with:
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✭WrathOfInnos wrote: »Sure, in exchange for a Magicka version of Reverse Slice.
All the class based executes are Magica or have a better magica version, I would trade melee range execute for a stam morph of endless fury (including the free 5k stat return) any day0 -
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✭✭✭WrathOfInnos wrote: »Sure, in exchange for a Magicka version of Reverse Slice.
All the class based executes are Magica or have a better magica version, I would trade melee range execute for a stam morph of endless fury (including the free 5k stat return) any day
Don’t lump all mag together. Every class in the game would trade a skill for wrath!
No joke I did a BG today as a MagWarden on a team with two DKs and a Necro. We wiped another team and got sidelined and died, when I respawned I noticed we had a zero score.
Someone commented in group asking how did we get no killing blows, figured out there was a couple sorcs and we spent the next 10 minutes trying to hunt them down so we could get points in a death match.Edited by Iskiab on January 8, 2020 11:52PMLooking for any guildies I used to play with:
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✭✭✭✭✭WrathOfInnos wrote: »Sure, in exchange for a Magicka version of Reverse Slice.
All the class based executes are Magica or have a better magica version, I would trade melee range execute for a stam morph of endless fury (including the free 5k stat return) any day
Deal, you can have either morph of fury. As the mag execute I choose Force Pulse, just remove the splash target cap of 2, make it 100% unconditional proc chance, and scale up to double damage when enemies go from 50%-0%. That should synergize pretty well with Magcro passives and 3 Bloodthirsty
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Xvorg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Great idea, just as soon as magicka players get a stamina negate.
Isn't that ona called root?
An interesting feature for light armor, instead of reducing snares could be that in light armor you can't be rootedSarcasm is something too serious to be taken lightly
I was born with the wrong sign
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I took the wrong road
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I was in the wrong place at the wrong time
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✭✭✭If they were going to do this they should just make proxy scale off your highest stats.BawKinTackWarDs PS4/NA1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Homogenization is boring and bad for the game. That is exactly what OP is asking for.1 -
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✭✭✭✭This is a good idea, the only thing I disagree with is copying the Magicka equivalent and giving it to stam. It’d be a lot better if they came up with something original.
Stamina has become uncompetitive in larger scale cyrodiil ever since they moved over to 2h from DW. Their key abilities like onslaught and dizzy don’t work well with lag. Meta right now is all mag because of it.
Is there any key ability that works well with lag? I think Jabs is the one that behaves more consistently (both mag and stam)
Yup, there definitely is, Eye of the storm (follows you) and Prox det work fine.
The first thing that fails are things that require a target (especially aoes), then projectiles, then break free, then heals. If you try using an ability that’s a projectile that hits multiple people... be prepared to have to try and cast it 5x in a row before it works.
As the server bottlenecks it looks like it prioritizes some abilities over others. If an ability is low priority it drops packets like crazy.
It’s also tied to the memory leak. The longer you’ve been playing the less stuff works.
Edit - also just like to add, I only play mag except for a stamwarden healer. I just think it should be a relatively even playing field between mag and stam in cyrodiil so the OP is right.
Well, I think the possible combos with a stam based proxy deto could be very annoying. Remember that stam has access to 3 non class gap closer. One of them applies a stun, while other applies a snare.
Besides that, Stam a somehow reliable AoE execute, has quite decent mitigation on one skill line, and some of the best dmg and utility skills (DW cloak, Rally, dodgeroll with a bow). Proxy on stam could be overkill...
ON THE OTHER HAND, I have 0 problem if we change inevitable deto to stam, reducing it's cast time to 3~2 secs. That way you can counter magplar's cleanse
Inevitable det gets used quite a bit as a ball group counter (lag permitting because cast times fail with lag too).
The more I think about it the more a reverse execute would be a good idea. Make it so stam can contribute getting people low, and mag finish people off with vicious death. A lot of stam use vicious death, I always found that silly.
Except they'd just use spin to win and get both in one.0