Basic stamina dps is about it for anything advanced - primarily for major vulnerability from ultimate.

As said before. They quite good at stamina DPS, and even magicka DPS. They can heal pretty well, although I think that Templar and Warden still beat them. They are pretty decent tanks. A good allround class that can fit any role.

Edit: I have 18 characters and have a Necro for every role.

Grianasteri wrote: »

Specifically regarding Necromancers, in all of ESO, resurrecting an entire group and therefore saving a wipe, (either as a tank or healer) is one of the most satisfying experiences I have had in years. Applying the major debuff to both spell and physical resistance with an aoe skill, is also OP, I love it.

Honestly, these are some of the skills that grabbed my interest. I have a Templar High Elf healer that is really effective, but when I recently got the content that included a Necromancer I decided to give a Breton an audition. Was surprised at the nice set of healing tools in the kit, so I've stuck with it up to level 30 (my account CP is 290 so I want to keep with it until it makes that jump). I've always been a huge fan of any healer/support skill that allows you to bring a team back from the brink (the Warlock had one of these skills in Destiny).

Out of curiosity, what are the rest of your key skills in rotation on the Necro? Do you mix in the Resto staff as well? So far I seem to be leaning a lot on the Unnerving Boneyard, Spirit Mender and the Blood Sacrifice for a burst heal. I've been running a healing staff on that bar, and destruction on the other, just to level both.

Also, which morph is better for the re-animate Ultimate?

A high elf Necro in Goliath form can be in the top tier for tallest character.

Forgot two important things on MagCro:

Boneyard
AOE Breach/Fracture (trash/adds/tank can drop puncture for support skill)
Gives synergy (Magsorc the only other class that pumps them out regularly assuming they use it)
Highest damage AOE skill of any class when procced on corpse and synergy is taken

Combined with BB's they're AOE is really powerful.

https://eso-skillbook.com/skill/pestilent-colossus

Essentially it increases the entire groups' damage on enemies hit by up to 30% for a short time. The cooldown of the skill makes it so that a maximum of 3 necros can essentially chain them every 20 seconds for a potential 40% uptime. That's a lot of extra damage and makes necros very powerful in groups.

With ads having a couple more necros is nice too.

Note the cooldown is new this patch. When necros first came out some groups would stack 7-10 necros to keep the debuff up 100%.

@BackLotBasher But regarding one of your main questions: "should I replace Templar healer". My answer would be no as behind Warden they tend to still be the most desired in trials at least. That said it's usually nice to have two different classes healing and templars seem to be everywhere. Thus, if getting into harder trials eventually is a goal being able to switch to another class is a nice option to offer your group.

thadjarvis wrote: »

@BackLotBasher But regarding one of your main questions: "should I replace Templar healer". My answer would be no as behind Warden they tend to still be the most desired in trials at least. That said it's usually nice to have two different classes healing and templars seem to be everywhere. Thus, if getting into harder trials eventually is a goal being able to switch to another class is a nice option to offer your group.

So, would this be a case of being able to offer a few different skills, while retaining a strong foundation for sustained healing? For example, having the resurrect Ultimate if a group felt it might be useful in particular content.

EDIT: Also, I was curious about what you mentioned, regarding the Warden. Are Wardens now the preferred type of healer, rather than Templars?

Really the Restoration Staff, Undaunted, and Alliance War skills are so good that the class does not matter until you're doing super high end-game.

I'd try a few out and see what you like playing. Tough thing is you don't really know until you get them into something quite challenging. That's ok: you can change the character to mag DPS, make a mule, writs, PvP toon, etc.

Warden's are desired right now because they provide a valuable group buff (+10% health) that really only a Warden tank can provide and a valuable group debuff (+8% damage) that can be obtained from other sources but not as simply or common.

Templar's got lots of stuff going for them, but a Stamina Templar does everything they do. Stamplars used to have pretty low damage but not anymore. Plus they are easy to play. That is a recurring theme in ESO> optimal tanks/healers classes aren't really choose for what they do but what the best DD's do not. That changes with patches, the particular group, and content.

So, you can't know what the "best" will be by the time you get to that level (99% do not anyway). So, again I wouldn't worry about it. Enjoy Templar and have fun experimenting with another class or so.

thadjarvis wrote: »

Templar's got lots of stuff going for them, but a Stamina Templar does everything they do. Stamplars used to have pretty low damage but not anymore. Plus they are easy to play. That is a recurring theme in ESO> optimal tanks/healers classes aren't really choose for what they do but what the best DD's do not. That changes with patches, the particular group, and content.

Good to know. I'm generally looking for a class and role that's not too complicated, easy to play. I've been around games long enough to have played the Atari 2600 when it was sold new, so my twitch skills aren't quite as sharp anymore. I guess that's why healing seemed to be a good fit - the chaos of dungeons can get a bit overwhelming, but I find it easier to just keep my eye on teammates and keep giving them resources.

Thanks again for the feedback.

BackLotBasher wrote: »

Grianasteri wrote: »

Specifically regarding Necromancers, in all of ESO, resurrecting an entire group and therefore saving a wipe, (either as a tank or healer) is one of the most satisfying experiences I have had in years. Applying the major debuff to both spell and physical resistance with an aoe skill, is also OP, I love it.

Honestly, these are some of the skills that grabbed my interest. I have a Templar High Elf healer that is really effective, but when I recently got the content that included a Necromancer I decided to give a Breton an audition. Was surprised at the nice set of healing tools in the kit, so I've stuck with it up to level 30 (my account CP is 290 so I want to keep with it until it makes that jump). I've always been a huge fan of any healer/support skill that allows you to bring a team back from the brink (the Warlock had one of these skills in Destiny).

Out of curiosity, what are the rest of your key skills in rotation on the Necro? Do you mix in the Resto staff as well? So far I seem to be leaning a lot on the Unnerving Boneyard, Spirit Mender and the Blood Sacrifice for a burst heal. I've been running a healing staff on that bar, and destruction on the other, just to level both.

Also, which morph is better for the re-animate Ultimate?

YES, use the resto staff skills, these are the bread and butter of any healer and some of the most powerful support skills in the game.

Combat Prayer and Healing Springs are more or less standard requirements. Regeneration is also one of the most powerful heal over times in the game, I use Radiating morph as this is more efficient for healing groups. Personally I also like to use Ward Ally, though many dont slot this, I find it highly effective at keeping me and others alive in more demanding content.

I only slot two Necro healz. The ultimate Renewing Animation - this morph seems more reliable and helps with the groups sustain. You shouldnt have to use it that often, but when its needed, it can save a wipe (its actually more powerful on a tank, since its the tank that is usually last one standing). The 2nd skill I use is a bit of a flex slot, but I often like to slot Renewing Undeath, since it removes negative effects - I use this instead of Efficient Purge, but it depends, you need a steady supply of corpses for Renewing Undeath to work, so its great in scenarios with Add enemies, and/or when playing with another Necromancer supplying corpses! Or you need to slot Blastbones to generate your own corpses, which is difficult with limited skill slots.

Other healz... The standard Energy Orb, which is really an essential sustain tool for the group, using this is built into my rotation without fail. Many groups like the healer to slot Elemental Drain, but I am not a fan and feel its a bit of a waste for how this character is build, I mean I am providing Energy Orbs non stop, usually that is more than enough. Instead I like to slot Overflowing Alter, but this is a bit of a flex slot. The alter provides an absolutely massive heal when synergised, if players are aware of it and actively seek to use it when needed, it can keep them alive as an "oh ***" save.

Note that this character is wearing Worms Raiment, reducing the magica cost of the group as well, so again, Ele Drain just seems overkill and a waste of a slot in most content. I pair this with Olorime, which is fairly standard for a lot of healers. I use Bogdan Nighflame monster set, but may farm for Symphony of Blades in due course to give that a try. Im also currently farming for Hollowfang Thirst, to give that a try paired with Olorime.

Hope all this rambling helps. Honestly, there are tons of viable healing sets and builds. Necro has quite a few interesting skills that I do not currently use, but it depends on how you build. Experiment, have fun

thadjarvis wrote: »

@Grianasteri I haven't Necro healed very extensively so cannot commit in detail on it. But, if there are mag's in group Ele Drain is really helpful. It gives 300 mag/sec. Hollowfang gives a similar amount (if group is stacked). Worms gives maybe 80 (1500 m/s rotation * 4%). That's pretty paultry. As a starting healer, I would still collect Worms passively but wouldn't farm it.

Ele drain also provides Major Breach. Some tanks don't provide it and if not using Boneyard (or have magcro/magden in group) on cooldown Eld Drain is essential.

Even if there is no mag in group, Ele Drain is important because it's just one slot providing 300m/s to tank and healers. That's 600 recovery. Think of how much more powerful your heals can be by using more spell damage glyphs, a non-atronarch mundus, etc. Also that gives the tank the ability to self-heal without healer assistance more reliably.

Thanks I tend to agree.

I am aware of the mag regen benefits, but feel these are mitigated in part by the fact that the debuff to resistances just isnt needed on a Necro using Boneyard morphed, and mine is also wearing Worms Raiment, and regularly casting Energy Orbz. As I mentioned Ive recently looked into farming Hollowfang. When I made him (which is not that long ago), I had a spare set of Worms laying around and it seemed to fit nicely, right size and everything ;-)

My Necrohearler is not my main healer. My main is a well used & practised Templar

As a side, frankly I think more players need to build for their own sustain, outside of the high end content where scores & speed are being pushed etc. But I slot it when asked to in a trial for instance, Im not a dik about it lol.

pps, as a tank, tanking difficult content like vet Frostvault and vet Maarselok, frankly its my stam that has a danger of running out, rather than my magica, but I do take your point.