Qbiken wrote: »

If you get caught inside a grave robber synergy the first thing you should ask yourself is:

"Why did I fail so horrible at positioning myself so I got caught in a potential high damage burst?"

The only way those synergies will hit you for 17-18k (assuming you aren´t running a full-blown glass canon with sub 20k resistance) is if you get hit by colossus ultimate prior to the synergy (30% more damage taken). There will be 2 groups of people using this synergy:

1. Organized small-and medium scale group
2. Organized large-scale groups.

Both of these groups are after fighting forces of greater numbers than themselves (generally speaking), and god forbid that there´s a tool to deal with zergs. There´s already enough advantage of being in greater numbers as a zerg, so there should definitely come some trade offs while doing so (aka you´re more vulnerable to AoE burst such as grave-robber and proximity detonation etc....)

Pro-tip to avoid getting deleted by this: Use your brain and stop chasing the groups that will most likely use it against you, or be confident enough with your own group so that you know how to counter it. The skill and harmony trait is balanced as it is.

No, harmony-trait is not balanced as it is. Dmg of synergies without harmony is fine.

One issue with harmony-bombing is that there is less counter-play chance. We can see prox-dets and destro-ultis coming, those sources of high dmg are well telegraphed, but when graveyard or nova drops on top of you and next second someone next to you pops synergy there`s no time to move out of area of impact.

And don`t try to make it as failure with positioning, you know as well that good bomb-groups are fast and often change the direction they are moving. One can be way out of their path where danger usually lies, but then they change direction, drop graveyard, magblade dd use lotus fan on you and hits synergy. Result: high damage burst received without horribly failing positioning.

Yes, I get it, you are badass player who likes to fight outnumbered unlike zerglings, I have been there too.
But if you are honest you can admit that organized groups have always done well against randoms, long before harmony-trait arrived. Zos could delete harmony from game tomorrow and same raids that now wipe floor with randoms would continue to do that. Only difference would be that good positioning and mobility would provide more counter-play against them for those capable of doing that.

My humble opinion is: harmony-trait increases power-creep between organized and unorganized groups to unhealthy levels and makes fighting bomb-groups less fun than ever before.
It`s overpeforming "toy" for small minority while being useless for majority. I consider that poor design.
I would like to see harmony re-designed to offer some different function, so it would become potentially useful for everyone.

Dont stand in red circles

Average Forum PVP Player: "The tank meta is too strong and no one dies to anything!! Bad pvp pillow fights!"

ZOS: "Git gud and use these tools (Synergy Bombs) to kill potatos atleast who stand in there like a deer in headlights or if they want to follow people into towers, even if knowing what awaits there in closed spaces..

Average Forum PVP Player: Nooo, i died to it ZOS pls nerf it damage too high need tank meta no i do not Block or Dodge why would i need to do that? NERF! I HAVE SPOKEN!"

2020, same forum logics live on, and on..

Imagine asking for nerfs on the forums in 2020

Yeah its not Grave Robber, it's the harmony trait and it's overperforming. Please don't say "Get out of the red circle" because players will always try to increase their chances of setting up the combo. It became clear to us that harmony is doing it's job and becoming more prominent in team play now. There is a potential call for a nerf but butchering it would be the wrong approach.

Harmony is extremely useful in tanking vcr, so I'd hate to see it gimped by people who stand in red. The ability is literally a graveyard. Don't be surprised if you die by hanging around it.

fred4 wrote: »

So it's a synergy that a single player can activate him or herself. Lovely. WTF? I didn't buy Elsweyr. Never explored Necro myself. I'll be more circumspect now I understand this, but seriously: WTF!

Necro can use that in soloplay once in 20 seconds, remember the Synergy Cooldown. So no, it is not "spammable" like some forum misinformation specialists like to say. And.. in reality, you know it is a part of combo, a combo that has ultimate big part of it and it is also ground targeted ultimate that once used is easily avoided since it is not moving anywhere (Colossus triple smash) and has red circle on the ground and 1 second delay from the visual.

What comes to group play, Synergies been for a while already in heavy use since things like Gravity Crush (Templar ulti Synergy) does even more damage than the necro synergy. Other Synergies in group use are the DK Shifting Standard synergy and Talons Synergy.

Sadly, at the moment it is pretty much the only thing magicka necro got going for itself, and without it.. well, would be one more big sad loss to the people who not understand game mechanics or are not bothered to "git gud" but rather demand anything that even remotely works be nerfed. NB has went through this a lot, big ups and downs, surely you understand.

I wish you do try playing Magicka Necro though, try it at high mmr bgs and Cyro & IC, trust me.. it is not what some people make it sound like, yes against total potatos who stand in red and eat full combos to face it can be fun, but when you face anyone decent they can avoid pretty much all your damage with ease. So you are left with Crushing Shock spam and Vampire Drain against mobile targets who know how to play. Playing it can often be stuff of nightmares and frustrations.

But please test it for yourself and make your own judgment.

Aren't remote totem synergy even stronger though?

If you pay attention, you will start to notice ult dumps before they happen. If you continue to run around in full zergs, spamming light attacks and not pay attention,you will continue to be blown up.

fred4 wrote: »

Moonsorrow wrote: »

fred4 wrote: »

So it's a synergy that a single player can activate him or herself. Lovely. WTF? I didn't buy Elsweyr. Never explored Necro myself. I'll be more circumspect now I understand this, but seriously: WTF!

Necro can use that in soloplay once in 20 seconds, remember the Synergy Cooldown.

There is a cooldown on synergies? Or just this one? Or just in solo play?

So no, it is not "spammable" like some forum misinformation specialists like to say. And.. in reality, you know it is a part of combo, a combo that has ultimate big part of it and it is also ground targeted ultimate that once used is easily avoided

Yes and no. This is Cyrodiil we're talking about. Reality: I see the Colossus. I roll out of it. Grave Robber hits me for 18K as I've already rolled out of the ulti. Never saw any visuals for that at all. Also this was a single guy. Yeah, two of us were chasing him down, so fair play I guess.

What comes to group play, Synergies been for a while already in heavy use since things like Gravity Crush (Templar ulti Synergy) does even more damage than the necro synergy. Other Synergies in group use are the DK Shifting Standard synergy and Talons Synergy.

What a BS argument. That's group play, like you say. Whoever heard of a synergy activated by a single player themselves? Is that a bug or intentional?

Sadly, at the moment it is pretty much the only thing magicka necro got going for itself, and without it.. well, would be one more big sad loss to the people who not understand game mechanics or are not bothered to "git gud" but rather demand anything that even remotely works be nerfed.

That's not me. I'm not the OP and I don't demand anything. It's just a single player activating a synergy by themselves rubs me the wrong way. But fine, now that I know about it: Whatever.

I wish you do try playing Magicka Necro though, try it at high mmr bgs and Cyro & IC

I normally say, yes, you should dabble in every class to understand PvP, but I'm not paying for Elsweyr until ZOS fix the lag in Cyro.

The Self Synergy option on Graveyard is Avid Boneyard morph, yes it is intended. And yes first skill ever to get Self Synergy and yes you got 20 seconds cooldown.

Synergy Cooldowns are a thing, you cannot activate the same Synergy more than once in 20 seconds. Basic ESO mechanics.

All synergies have 20 seconds cooldown, meaning you cannot activate the same synergy. But you can activate different synergy. Rule breaker is Shards/Orbs that share cooldown, to prevent us players from enjoying too much of resources at pve lol.

So as said, Magicka necro has 1 (one) time every 20 seconds to try this combo.. with any other class in 20 seconds i do WAY more damage and be more flexible, and with Infused or Swift trait on jewelry for better utility than what Harmony brings to solo player.

Trying to explain it is hard, only trying it yourself will tell you. It is a gimmick play, that sometimes is rewarding but most times fails unless people follow into the rabbit hole and all stars align for the big boom. Harmony gives benefit once every 20 seconds, other times.. you are like a spider, waiting for them to be in the webs..

Yes, i have golden Vicious Death jewelry with Harmony. Juicy..

Still, i can kill, gank, bomb and farm way more efficiently with my Magblade bomber on exact same gear on group and on solo too, obviously different jewelry trait in use then on solo bomber.

Qbiken wrote: »

If you get caught inside a grave robber synergy the first thing you should ask yourself is:

"Why did I fail so horrible at positioning myself so I got caught in a potential high damage burst?"

The only way those synergies will hit you for 17-18k (assuming you aren´t running a full-blown glass canon with sub 20k resistance) is if you get hit by colossus ultimate prior to the synergy (30% more damage taken). There will be 2 groups of people using this synergy:

1. Organized small-and medium scale group
2. Organized large-scale groups.

Both of these groups are after fighting forces of greater numbers than themselves (generally speaking), and god forbid that there´s a tool to deal with zergs. There´s already enough advantage of being in greater numbers as a zerg, so there should definitely come some trade offs while doing so (aka you´re more vulnerable to AoE burst such as grave-robber and proximity detonation etc....)

Pro-tip to avoid getting deleted by this: Use your brain and stop chasing the groups that will most likely use it against you, or be confident enough with your own group so that you know how to counter it. The skill and harmony trait is balanced as it is.

this.

i hate this synergy and OH GOD HOW I WISH DK BANNER has the ability to trigger our own synergy..... *hhnnggggghhhhh*


BUT

after figuring out the issue and how Harmony trait plays into this, I learn to...

*ehm*

wait for it..


....



wait for it...........



drumroll please.........




*avoid the red circles*


Problem freakin solved.

Like, seriously. Forget Cyrodiil, even in BG, there's very few spots you can get cornered into a space you can't get out of. (the tiny room in the bridge tower comes to mind lol)


Seriously. Just... don't stay in the red circle.


Threat. Gone.

Moonsorrow wrote: »

fred4 wrote: »

Moonsorrow wrote: »

fred4 wrote: »

So it's a synergy that a single player can activate him or herself. Lovely. WTF? I didn't buy Elsweyr. Never explored Necro myself. I'll be more circumspect now I understand this, but seriously: WTF!

Necro can use that in soloplay once in 20 seconds, remember the Synergy Cooldown.

There is a cooldown on synergies? Or just this one? Or just in solo play?

So no, it is not "spammable" like some forum misinformation specialists like to say. And.. in reality, you know it is a part of combo, a combo that has ultimate big part of it and it is also ground targeted ultimate that once used is easily avoided

Yes and no. This is Cyrodiil we're talking about. Reality: I see the Colossus. I roll out of it. Grave Robber hits me for 18K as I've already rolled out of the ulti. Never saw any visuals for that at all. Also this was a single guy. Yeah, two of us were chasing him down, so fair play I guess.

What comes to group play, Synergies been for a while already in heavy use since things like Gravity Crush (Templar ulti Synergy) does even more damage than the necro synergy. Other Synergies in group use are the DK Shifting Standard synergy and Talons Synergy.

What a BS argument. That's group play, like you say. Whoever heard of a synergy activated by a single player themselves? Is that a bug or intentional?

Sadly, at the moment it is pretty much the only thing magicka necro got going for itself, and without it.. well, would be one more big sad loss to the people who not understand game mechanics or are not bothered to "git gud" but rather demand anything that even remotely works be nerfed.

That's not me. I'm not the OP and I don't demand anything. It's just a single player activating a synergy by themselves rubs me the wrong way. But fine, now that I know about it: Whatever.

I wish you do try playing Magicka Necro though, try it at high mmr bgs and Cyro & IC

I normally say, yes, you should dabble in every class to understand PvP, but I'm not paying for Elsweyr until ZOS fix the lag in Cyro.

The Self Synergy option on Graveyard is Avid Boneyard morph, yes it is intended. And yes first skill ever to get Self Synergy and yes you got 20 seconds cooldown.

Synergy Cooldowns are a thing, you cannot activate the same Synergy more than once in 20 seconds. Basic ESO mechanics.

All synergies have 20 seconds cooldown, meaning you cannot activate the same synergy. But you can activate different synergy. Rule breaker is Shards/Orbs that share cooldown, to prevent us players from enjoying too much of resources at pve lol.

So as said, Magicka necro has 1 (one) time every 20 seconds to try this combo.. with any other class in 20 seconds i do WAY more damage and be more flexible, and with Infused or Swift trait on jewelry for better utility than what Harmony brings to solo player.

Trying to explain it is hard, only trying it yourself will tell you. It is a gimmick play, that sometimes is rewarding but most times fails unless people follow into the rabbit hole and all stars align for the big boom. Harmony gives benefit once every 20 seconds, other times.. you are like a spider, waiting for them to be in the webs..

Yes, i have golden Vicious Death jewelry with Harmony. Juicy..

Still, i can kill, gank, bomb and farm way more efficiently with my Magblade bomber on exact same gear on group and on solo too, obviously different jewelry trait in use then on solo bomber.

Thats all sweet until you come across a team of 8 tanks - 2 healers and 1 or 2 necro harmony bomber, this makes them all unkillable and when you get frustrated that is the moment they bomb. All nice and well your statements about solo play but that is an ego chamber put this in the hands off a ball group and its to easy for them to win. They all say stay out of the red, but in Cyro chaos you don't see the red, the necro ult has almost no visual maybe the last smash making it a perfect storm of having a very strong feeling it has no counter. It comes on top of to tanky, to much heals and then with collosus, harmony boneyard, gravity crush and vicious death to much damage. I have been instant killed this with major protection, minor protection, major evasion and 30K plus resist with active healing. That is just to much.