Melee is op. Stam melee is beyond omega level. Stam melee counter play nerf? Why?

phoenixkungfu · January 2020

THIS IS BY FAR THE WORST PATCH I HAVE EVER PLAYED. Stam melee is out of control. Pvp is all melee. Its easy to say at 80% of pvp is melee. 60% of pvp is stam melee. My question is how do you counter endless roll, tanky with God burst builds. It crazy 1 sided. If your a range magic its game over the risk reward to land a .8sec 7 meter 2h uppercut has never been easier. 0 risk reward of stun on gap closer templar to jabs. Easy. How do a range magic compare.
nerf to anti roll builds in the form of sorcerer pets and heavy attack overload range and damage. Have me just like why? How do your counter stam melee builds? I never seen gameplay this 1 sided ever in eso and the pvp is boring fighting melee over and over in a group.

The Uninvited · January 2020

You just had to start the new year with a nerf post, didn't you?

evoniee · January 2020

the true ranged build in pvp is only magsorc and snipe spammer.
i assume you to play magsorc.

win condition of a magsorc is mobility, range, and sustained pressure.
you have to adjust playstyle to fight with ranged build.
magsorc have lightning form for major expedition, streak for stun + gap making, atronach for area denial, it is a great tool in toe to toe encounter, it enough to create good environment for you.
also magsorc dont have sustain issue most of the time.
all you have to do is play acording to your win condition, dont fight in bad condition, make them play in your win condition.

phoenixkungfu · January 2020

evoniee wrote: »

the true ranged build in pvp is only magsorc and snipe spammer.
i assume you to play magsorc.

win condition of a magsorc is mobility, range, and sustained pressure.
you have to adjust playstyle to fight with ranged build.
magsorc have lightning form for major expedition, streak for stun + gap making, atronach for area denial, it is a great tool in toe to toe encounter, it enough to create good environment for you.
also magsorc dont have sustain issue most of the time.
all you have to do is play acording to your win condition, dont fight in bad condition, make them play in your win condition.

Thank you but that's just it. Its boring to run more then fight. I can play the make you chase me gameplay. But it honestly boring to be so disconcerting from group play. I truly feel that play as I want rewards stam melee. My buddies are all going warden. I want to make my sorcerer work. But the meta is run away solo sorcerer. Any ideas on a anti dogde roll builds in general

CassandraGemini · January 2020

OP, you're already whining about almost exactly the same thing (or maybe it is exactly the same thing, I stopped reading after the first few sentences) in this thread here.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/506689/the-facts-about-stam-vs-magic-and-melee-vs-range-its-insanity-in-favor-of-stam-melee#latest

Don't you have anything better to do? Like, at least go whine about something else? I mean, it's okay, if you don't like the latest patch, the nerfs have hit all of us and no one likes them. Most of us are probably unhappy about something or other. But to make two almost identical threads is not going to solve your problem.

VaranisArano · January 2020

phoenixkungfu wrote: »

evoniee wrote: »

the true ranged build in pvp is only magsorc and snipe spammer.
i assume you to play magsorc.

win condition of a magsorc is mobility, range, and sustained pressure.
you have to adjust playstyle to fight with ranged build.
magsorc have lightning form for major expedition, streak for stun + gap making, atronach for area denial, it is a great tool in toe to toe encounter, it enough to create good environment for you.
also magsorc dont have sustain issue most of the time.
all you have to do is play acording to your win condition, dont fight in bad condition, make them play in your win condition.

Thank you but that's just it. Its boring to run more then fight. I can play the make you chase me gameplay. But it honestly boring to be so disconcerting from group play. I truly feel that play as I want rewards stam melee. My buddies are all going warden. I want to make my sorcerer work. But the meta is run away solo sorcerer. Any ideas on a anti dogde roll builds in general

So you know the way to counter the gameplay you complain about, but its boring and you don't want to do it. That sounds about par for the course.

Honestly, as someone who plays a MagDK patch after patch, when you are dedicated to playing a certain build or a playstyle you enjoy, you just have to learn to roll with the punches. If you aren't willing to adapt your gameplay to the best tactics for that patch, then you've just got to accept that there will be updates when you aren't as effective and that ZOS isn't going to bend over backwards to make sure your special build or preferred playstyle is always doing well.

In short, you can stick with MagSorc, stick with playstyles that're fun for you, and be super effective every single update...but only two out of the three. That goes for pretty much every build/class out there.

phoenixkungfu · January 2020

VaranisArano wrote: »

phoenixkungfu wrote: »

evoniee wrote: »

the true ranged build in pvp is only magsorc and snipe spammer.
i assume you to play magsorc.

win condition of a magsorc is mobility, range, and sustained pressure.
you have to adjust playstyle to fight with ranged build.
magsorc have lightning form for major expedition, streak for stun + gap making, atronach for area denial, it is a great tool in toe to toe encounter, it enough to create good environment for you.
also magsorc dont have sustain issue most of the time.
all you have to do is play acording to your win condition, dont fight in bad condition, make them play in your win condition.

Thank you but that's just it. Its boring to run more then fight. I can play the make you chase me gameplay. But it honestly boring to be so disconcerting from group play. I truly feel that play as I want rewards stam melee. My buddies are all going warden. I want to make my sorcerer work. But the meta is run away solo sorcerer. Any ideas on a anti dogde roll builds in general

So you know the way to counter the gameplay you complain about, but its boring and you don't want to do it. That sounds about par for the course.

Honestly, as someone who plays a MagDK patch after patch, when you are dedicated to playing a certain build or a playstyle you enjoy, you just have to learn to roll with the punches. If you aren't willing to adapt your gameplay to the best tactics for that patch, then you've just got to accept that there will be updates when you aren't as effective and that ZOS isn't going to bend over backwards to make sure your special build or preferred playstyle is always doing well.

In short, you can stick with MagSorc, stick with playstyles that're fun for you, and be super effective every single update...but only two out of the three. That goes for pretty much every build/class out there.

Sad but true, I agree. The issue is the game is dying in the process. This strategy is not working. But most of all no one representation me the pet sorcerer..and I'm much to late. But try I must.

VaranisArano · January 2020

phoenixkungfu wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

phoenixkungfu wrote: »

evoniee wrote: »

the true ranged build in pvp is only magsorc and snipe spammer.
i assume you to play magsorc.

win condition of a magsorc is mobility, range, and sustained pressure.
you have to adjust playstyle to fight with ranged build.
magsorc have lightning form for major expedition, streak for stun + gap making, atronach for area denial, it is a great tool in toe to toe encounter, it enough to create good environment for you.
also magsorc dont have sustain issue most of the time.
all you have to do is play acording to your win condition, dont fight in bad condition, make them play in your win condition.

Thank you but that's just it. Its boring to run more then fight. I can play the make you chase me gameplay. But it honestly boring to be so disconcerting from group play. I truly feel that play as I want rewards stam melee. My buddies are all going warden. I want to make my sorcerer work. But the meta is run away solo sorcerer. Any ideas on a anti dogde roll builds in general

So you know the way to counter the gameplay you complain about, but its boring and you don't want to do it. That sounds about par for the course.

Honestly, as someone who plays a MagDK patch after patch, when you are dedicated to playing a certain build or a playstyle you enjoy, you just have to learn to roll with the punches. If you aren't willing to adapt your gameplay to the best tactics for that patch, then you've just got to accept that there will be updates when you aren't as effective and that ZOS isn't going to bend over backwards to make sure your special build or preferred playstyle is always doing well.

In short, you can stick with MagSorc, stick with playstyles that're fun for you, and be super effective every single update...but only two out of the three. That goes for pretty much every build/class out there.

Sad but true, I agree. The issue is the game is dying in the process. This strategy is not working. But most of all no one representation me the pet sorcerer..and I'm much to late. But try I must.

Honestly, ESO PVP is dying, has been dying since well before Elsweyr, and its not the current stam melee that's at fault.

Its the crippling performance issues that ZOS cannot seem to address.
Lag, crashing in large battles, stuck in combat bugs, Battlegrounds queue broken for months, the current bluescreens on PS4, etc.

PVP in ESO has much worse problems than the current meta (there's always a meta), and even if ZOS made everything perfectly in balance, PVP would still be dying unless they fix those performance issues.

The current stam melee meta might be effecting your enjoyment of your favorite playstyle, but it's not what's killing PVP. That would be ZOS' apparent inability to make any progress whatsoever on the performance issues plaguing PVP.

lucky_Sage · January 2020

phoenixkungfu wrote: »

evoniee wrote: »

the true ranged build in pvp is only magsorc and snipe spammer.
i assume you to play magsorc.

win condition of a magsorc is mobility, range, and sustained pressure.
you have to adjust playstyle to fight with ranged build.
magsorc have lightning form for major expedition, streak for stun + gap making, atronach for area denial, it is a great tool in toe to toe encounter, it enough to create good environment for you.
also magsorc dont have sustain issue most of the time.
all you have to do is play acording to your win condition, dont fight in bad condition, make them play in your win condition.

Thank you but that's just it. Its boring to run more then fight. I can play the make you chase me gameplay. But it honestly boring to be so disconcerting from group play. I truly feel that play as I want rewards stam melee. My buddies are all going warden. I want to make my sorcerer work. But the meta is run away solo sorcerer. Any ideas on a anti dogde roll builds in general

Then play another class sorcs aren’t for you they are the kitting class. Simple as that @phoenixkungfu

Nord_Raseri · January 2020

NORD HATH SPOKEN

Shaloknir · January 2020

VaranisArano wrote: »

phoenixkungfu wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

phoenixkungfu wrote: »

evoniee wrote: »

the true ranged build in pvp is only magsorc and snipe spammer.
i assume you to play magsorc.

win condition of a magsorc is mobility, range, and sustained pressure.
you have to adjust playstyle to fight with ranged build.
magsorc have lightning form for major expedition, streak for stun + gap making, atronach for area denial, it is a great tool in toe to toe encounter, it enough to create good environment for you.
also magsorc dont have sustain issue most of the time.
all you have to do is play acording to your win condition, dont fight in bad condition, make them play in your win condition.

Thank you but that's just it. Its boring to run more then fight. I can play the make you chase me gameplay. But it honestly boring to be so disconcerting from group play. I truly feel that play as I want rewards stam melee. My buddies are all going warden. I want to make my sorcerer work. But the meta is run away solo sorcerer. Any ideas on a anti dogde roll builds in general

So you know the way to counter the gameplay you complain about, but its boring and you don't want to do it. That sounds about par for the course.

Honestly, as someone who plays a MagDK patch after patch, when you are dedicated to playing a certain build or a playstyle you enjoy, you just have to learn to roll with the punches. If you aren't willing to adapt your gameplay to the best tactics for that patch, then you've just got to accept that there will be updates when you aren't as effective and that ZOS isn't going to bend over backwards to make sure your special build or preferred playstyle is always doing well.

In short, you can stick with MagSorc, stick with playstyles that're fun for you, and be super effective every single update...but only two out of the three. That goes for pretty much every build/class out there.

Sad but true, I agree. The issue is the game is dying in the process. This strategy is not working. But most of all no one representation me the pet sorcerer..and I'm much to late. But try I must.

Honestly, ESO PVP is dying, has been dying since well before Elsweyr, and its not the current stam melee that's at fault.

Its the crippling performance issues that ZOS cannot seem to address.
Lag, crashing in large battles, stuck in combat bugs, Battlegrounds queue broken for months, the current bluescreens on PS4, etc.

PVP in ESO has much worse problems than the current meta (there's always a meta), and even if ZOS made everything perfectly in balance, PVP would still be dying unless they fix those performance issues.

The current stam melee meta might be effecting your enjoyment of your favorite playstyle, but it's not what's killing PVP. That would be ZOS' apparent inability to make any progress whatsoever on the performance issues plaguing PVP.

You know. I have been playing since beta. First on PC then PS4. And according to occasional forum posts PVP has been dying the whole time. Needless to say I disagree with that statement.

Everything else you write is accurate though. Well written :-)

luen79rwb17_ESO · January 2020

You mean last year, right? This year is just beggining you know

Sorbin · January 2020

You counter stam builds who hit hard and roll dodge a lot by building tanky and actively mitigating. Use the unblockable stun you get from Streak to set up a burst combo. You need to consider sets like Pariah, Fortified Brass, Armor Master, or even going Nord. I've never once seen you post your full build and I suspect it's not capable of taking a hit. I fight magsorcs everyday on my stamden that can absolutely eat a Dizzy Swing - Sub Assault combo at like 6k weapon damage. Then they stun you and set up incredible burst, while having great pressure and sustain.

You need to consider dropping Overload for something like Ice Comet to combo off your stun and you may even need to consider dropping your pet for better passive mitigation options to create a larger offensive window. The fact of the matter is that your build is not entitled to be effective, but your CLASS absolutely has incredibly powerful options and a skilled magsorc should be a superior match-up against almost every single class in the game right now.

You're trying to force your build into viability while ignoring the potential tools that make magsorc top tier in the game. "Playing what you want" is for PvE. "Playing what works" is the only thing that matters when you're trying to kill other players. People WANT to play bow/bow stamden but it's absolutely never gonna have the damage to kill a half-decent player. That's the rub. The tools are at your disposal. Make a viable build or run around with the zoo and enjoy the Riften roleplay but stop polluting these forums with your low-quality, bad faith discussions.

phoenixkungfu · January 2020

Sorbin wrote: »

You counter stam builds who hit hard and roll dodge a lot by building tanky and actively mitigating. Use the unblockable stun you get from Streak to set up a burst combo. You need to consider sets like Pariah, Fortified Brass, Armor Master, or even going Nord. I've never once seen you post your full build and I suspect it's not capable of taking a hit. I fight magsorcs everyday on my stamden that can absolutely eat a Dizzy Swing - Sub Assault combo at like 6k weapon damage. Then they stun you and set up incredible burst, while having great pressure and sustain.

You need to consider dropping Overload for something like Ice Comet to combo off your stun and you may even need to consider dropping your pet for better passive mitigation options to create a larger offensive window. The fact of the matter is that your build is not entitled to be effective, but your CLASS absolutely has incredibly powerful options and a skilled magsorc should be a superior match-up against almost every single class in the game right now.

You're trying to force your build into viability while ignoring the potential tools that make magsorc top tier in the game. "Playing what you want" is for PvE. "Playing what works" is the only thing that matters when you're trying to kill other players. People WANT to play bow/bow stamden but it's absolutely never gonna have the damage to kill a half-decent player. That's the rub. The tools are at your disposal. Make a viable build or run around with the zoo and enjoy the Riften roleplay but stop polluting these forums with your low-quality, bad faith discussions.

Its very easy to dismiss the player that ask you to look at pvp and compare it to the rich past were there was no meta. The meta was be effective at your class. Now the nerf has created a meta in how limited you must play a class to be effective. This has primarily only affected the magic range builds. It's clear to see.

Playing what you want" is for PvE. "Playing what works" is the only thing that matters when you're trying to kill other players.

The identity is lost in pvp gameplay. The identity is lost in eso if what you say Is true.

idk · January 2020

No offense but I am getting the impression OP does not like the game with all the complaint threads they provide the forums.

AMeanOne · January 2020

I saw OP in game the other day, I almost fell out of my chair when I saw they had 5 stars.

phoenixkungfu · January 2020

idk wrote: »

No offense but I am getting the impression OP does not like the game with all the complaint threads they provide the forums.

No offense taken. I love the game. I just hate meta being stam melee. I wish there is a way all classes can bring something competitive to the game. I hate meta.

katorga · January 2020

I thought healers were the problem?

Sorbin · January 2020

phoenixkungfu wrote: »

idk wrote: »

No offense but I am getting the impression OP does not like the game with all the complaint threads they provide the forums.

No offense taken. I love the game. I just hate meta being stam melee. I wish there is a way all classes can bring something competitive to the game. I hate meta.

The meta is not stam melee. The meta is to build tanky. Tanky magsorcs are the meta class for solo open-world.

idk · January 2020

phoenixkungfu wrote: »

idk wrote: »

No offense but I am getting the impression OP does not like the game with all the complaint threads they provide the forums.

No offense taken. I love the game. I just hate meta being stam melee. I wish there is a way all classes can bring something competitive to the game. I hate meta.

Through almost 6 years of the game being live I have played the classes I wanted to play as I wanted to play them and I have done just fine. While I have adjusted my build as new sets came out and skills were tweaked my magicka character stayed magicka and stamina stayed stamina. In PvP meta means little as player skill by far is the most important aspect of game play. It has not let me down.

Fur_like_snow · January 2020

phoenixkungfu wrote: »

idk wrote: »

No offense but I am getting the impression OP does not like the game with all the complaint threads they provide the forums.

No offense taken. I love the game. I just hate meta being stam melee. I wish there is a way all classes can bring something competitive to the game. I hate meta.

It’s literally not except in 1v1. We keep telling you this but remember that console is always a patch behind. It’s not the class or the meta it’s your build that needs re-evaluated. Stop acting so damn entitled and start making some adjustments like every other player in this game.

jadarock · January 2020

@phoenixkungfu Is there anything else? Can we get the rest of your nerf opinions out of the way now so we can be done with them? Please!?

KillsAllElves · January 2020

phoenixkungfu wrote: »

THIS IS BY FAR THE WORST PATCH I HAVE EVER PLAYED. Stam melee is out of control. Pvp is all melee. Its easy to say at 80% of pvp is melee. 60% of pvp is stam melee. My question is how do you counter endless roll, tanky with God burst builds. It crazy 1 sided. If your a range magic its game over the risk reward to land a .8sec 7 meter 2h uppercut has never been easier. 0 risk reward of stun on gap closer templar to jabs. Easy. How do a range magic compare.
nerf to anti roll builds in the form of sorcerer pets and heavy attack overload range and damage. Have me just like why? How do your counter stam melee builds? I never seen gameplay this 1 sided ever in eso and the pvp is boring fighting melee over and over in a group.

Dont engage with rolly pollies! Ill agree with on the part of healing part in general healing in pvp is strong.
The resistance stacking is out of hand.

One thing youre forgetting is that sorc has the best mobility, the best defense and has the fastest dps in pvp that hits stupid hard. Seems like youre not good at strategic positioning....
I hate to use this term but l2p

Gatdangmayne · January 2020

Talos stormcrown OP you actually made another thread?

Hey, eso forums, can we collectively ignore this guy til he posts his build?

Bobby_V_Rockit · January 2020

This is the way

Nord_Raseri · January 2020

Gatdangmayne wrote: »

Talos stormcrown OP you actually made another thread?

Hey, eso forums, can we collectively ignore this guy til he posts his build?

Wait, is this not the ESO forum's funny pages? Comedic gold!

jcm2606 · January 2020

zvavi wrote: »

Gilvoth wrote: »

its not funny
a small group of people on this forum Hate long range players and playstyle.
we love to fight at range and at a distance and stay away from toe to toe fighting like archer and magicka castiing from a distance, yet we are hated for it comepletely unjustified!
hate and harrassment against ranged playstyles. i hope the moderators and developers and the eso community see it and recognize it and stop them from doing this.

There is no "we" in your argument. @op creates nerf thread after nerf thread, each one of them unjustified, PROVEN unjustified, but not only doesn't he listen to logic, he dismisses facts while calling his opinions facts. The "hate" and "harassment" you see is directed only to @op, by people that are 90% sure he is just a troll. And are just tired of those nerf posts after nerf posts that are all unjustified, and in need to be proven so so the developers will not nerf something unfairly.

PS. You just want to ranged attack things without counter in pvp? Yep, balance.

Wouldn't bother, you're talking to someone who will kill even more of your brain cells than OP ever could.

tplink3r1 · January 2020

Can you even do something besides complain about every single thing in this game?

Fawn4287 · January 2020

Abilities should have range drop off if anything range light attacks with a bow or staff + glyph proc is op

CynicK · January 2020

I know the post is a joke but i am going to give you a serious answer.
In most games in pvp range it as an advantage because you have only to move and click while the mele have to position himself and the enemy can move around to avoid him being able to connect his hits, in this game it is the same you have let's say 200 more weapon damage by being mele but you also miss attacks, and personally i do not see this 200 weapon damage as such a huge advantage, when i try to trigger molag kena for example in mele i need more than 2 light attacks, often at least 3 so i lose attacks, with instant attacks is not so much because they only activate when there is a target but there is a lot of people that moves around and makes channeled mele attacks very difficult to land consistently, compare that to the point at click of non mele and the range it is much better as it is in most games like this.
And about your lack of stamina, with my magicka sorcerer i know that before combat i have to stop sprinting and let it recharge to full to be able to break free once and roll dodge once, but you can try unstoppable potions I made some for my magicka sorcerer but i have yet to try them and instead of roll dodge absorb the damage with the shield.
For me the biggest problem I have is lack of defile.

ZOS_RogerJ · January 2020

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