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Who has a good build guide for a stealthy nightblade toon for pve?
Lady_Linux
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anyone?
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BTW, I use arch too
BTW, I use arch too
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Jimmy_The_Fixer✭✭✭✭✭Endgame DPS? Overworld questing? Crime Stuff?
What kind of PvE are you looking to do?2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭If emphasizing stealth then you want a MagBlade, since they can spam cloak pretty much indefinitely. Stealth however doesnt mean much in endgame. It will however be very helpful in overland questing.
Off the top of my head, try using Mothers Sorrow and Crafty Alfiq on a Khajiit.CP2,100 Master Explorer - AvA Two Star Warlord - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
Quest Objective: OMG Go Talk To That Kitty!1 -
Lady_Linux✭✭✭✭✭Jimmy_The_Fixer wrote: »Endgame DPS? Overworld questing? Crime Stuff?
What kind of PvE are you looking to do?
well... starting with a new toon so i would guess questing and crime stuffI simply must protest. There are no Penguin avatars for me to use in the forums.
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that's an interesting build
the monster set is one piece of each and at one item they each give 129 magicka recovery... since you don't get a two piece bonus, doesnt it make just as much sense to use anything that gives 129 majicka recovery?I simply must protest. There are no Penguin avatars for me to use in the forums.
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✭✭✭✭✭Lady_Linux wrote: »
that's an interesting build
the monster set is one piece of each and at one item they each give 129 magicka recovery... since you don't get a two piece bonus, doesnt it make just as much sense to use anything that gives 129 majicka recovery?
That 129 magicka recovery is in addition to any enchantment so it does make sense to pieces from two different monster sets to drop the two-piece bonus in favor of stacking one-pieces bonuses.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Lady_Linux wrote: »
that's an interesting build
the monster set is one piece of each and at one item they each give 129 magicka recovery... since you don't get a two piece bonus, doesnt it make just as much sense to use anything that gives 129 majicka recovery?
Normal sets only provide a bonus starting from two pieces. Monster sets are a rare exception with one piece set bonuses. So using two mismatched monster sets gives you twice the stats compared to running two pieces of a normal set.2 -
Lady_Linux✭✭✭✭✭Lady_Linux wrote: »
that's an interesting build
the monster set is one piece of each and at one item they each give 129 magicka recovery... since you don't get a two piece bonus, doesnt it make just as much sense to use anything that gives 129 majicka recovery?
Normal sets only provide a bonus starting from two pieces. Monster sets are a rare exception with one piece set bonuses. So using two mismatched monster sets gives you twice the stats compared to running two pieces of a normal set.Lady_Linux wrote: »
that's an interesting build
the monster set is one piece of each and at one item they each give 129 magicka recovery... since you don't get a two piece bonus, doesnt it make just as much sense to use anything that gives 129 majicka recovery?
Normal sets only provide a bonus starting from two pieces. Monster sets are a rare exception with one piece set bonuses. So using two mismatched monster sets gives you twice the stats compared to running two pieces of a normal set.Araneae6537 wrote: »Lady_Linux wrote: »
that's an interesting build
the monster set is one piece of each and at one item they each give 129 magicka recovery... since you don't get a two piece bonus, doesnt it make just as much sense to use anything that gives 129 majicka recovery?
That 129 magicka recovery is in addition to any enchantment so it does make sense to pieces from two different monster sets to drop the two-piece bonus in favor of stacking one-pieces bonuses.
right! no crafted sets give a 1 piece bonus... got it... Thanks!I simply must protest. There are no Penguin avatars for me to use in the forums.
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✭✭✭✭✭Khajiit for the sneaky racial passive.
Can be stam or mag (mag will allow for more times to cloak though but Ive never found this to be a problem on my stam character, I just bring some stealth pots if I think I need more)
There are sets that can also help with sneaky quests. Ive never needed to use them.
I steak, pickpocket and thieve with my stamblade all the time and it works fineEdited by Katahdin on December 17, 2019 6:04AMBeta tester November 20131 -
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✭stick with any PvP nightblade gank build, stam or mag, doesn't really matter. Roll khajiit as flexible race. Avoid pricy gear.1 -
Lady_Linux✭✭✭✭✭
I made this and leveled it up to 50... i have all the pertinent skills and their morphs but i dont have all the morphs and skill lines maxed out quite yet.
I started as a tank to develop one hand and shield skill line, even though i won't use any of the skills or morphs in the final build, i want to be sure to have all the passives of that skill line anyway. I've maxed out mages guild a day or so ago and i nearly have psijic maxed out too (this will be the second account i have done that on... Havent maxed out the support and assault skill lines yet but i do have reviving barrier. Also, since i havent maxed out the destro staff quite yet but i have maxed out the mages skill line i am opting for ice comet over elemental storm... i think it ticks a little more often and does more total damage generally in most situations..
That's 4 alts i think i have leveled up with the help of Bredas mug... havent really did the event at all though... Psijic skill line is time consuming...
bad thing about this build though, while i was leveling it up to 50 it was ok to do dungeons and battle grounds as a tank... but now that my hp is officially below 20k even with food buff, i dont think that will fly even with a one hand and shield equipped and using taunt and silver leash... also does less damage in a dungeon while using the destro staff than alll of my healer/dps hybrids...15-25% but more like 15-20% of dungeon damage... so i cant really slot it as anything in a dungeon at all and it has no utility in a battleground except for capture the relic where i can use invisibility to lay in wait for the team to leave while invisible to get the relic when they have all run away from their relic.... beyond the tactician achievement i'm useless.... mostly the stun from concealed weapon doesnt offer enough utility to make me useful in a fight and except that i can mostly avoid dying much of the time by going invisible, that gets hard to maintain in a long fight...
I simply must protest. There are no Penguin avatars for me to use in the forums.
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✭✭✭✭I’m not sure that stealth is really very beneficial in PvE.
I’m not sure how much it benefits thieving (as opposed to maxing out legerdemain or Thieves Guild skill lines). I don’t see it bringing much utility in questing and can’t see it bringing any in group content (with the possible exception of March of Sacrifices).
I can see that it’s a fun gameplay style, which is enough reason to do it if that’s your thing. But I’m not sure a build that focuses on it is really viable outside Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood missions considering that sacrifices you’re making to be stealthy.
PvP obviously is a totally different thing obviously.1 -
Lady_Linux✭✭✭✭✭I’m not sure that stealth is really very beneficial in PvE.
I’m not sure how much it benefits thieving (as opposed to maxing out legerdemain or Thieves Guild skill lines). I don’t see it bringing much utility in questing and can’t see it bringing any in group content (with the possible exception of March of Sacrifices).
I can see that it’s a fun gameplay style, which is enough reason to do it if that’s your thing. But I’m not sure a build that focuses on it is really viable outside Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood missions considering that sacrifices you’re making to be stealthy.
PvP obviously is a totally different thing obviously.
you said obviously 2x in the same sentence ... how is it obvious then? maybe it's not obvious.... if i cant do any real damage in stealth how is it beneficial? can i use b.o.w. in pvp?
I simply must protest. There are no Penguin avatars for me to use in the forums.
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✭✭✭✭✭Jimmy_The_Fixer wrote: »Endgame DPS? Overworld questing? Crime Stuff?
What kind of PvE are you looking to do?
and Mag vs stam since medium armor stam is stealthy. Did TG first on a stamblade. Was fun.
From one of your other responses it seems you intend this for PvE questing and pick pocketing.
To provide worthwhile suggestions need to know if this will be mag or stam and if the PvE aspect will be anything serious like vet dungeons and vet trials.0 -
FierceSam✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Lady_Linux wrote: »I’m not sure that stealth is really very beneficial in PvE.
I’m not sure how much it benefits thieving (as opposed to maxing out legerdemain or Thieves Guild skill lines). I don’t see it bringing much utility in questing and can’t see it bringing any in group content (with the possible exception of March of Sacrifices).
I can see that it’s a fun gameplay style, which is enough reason to do it if that’s your thing. But I’m not sure a build that focuses on it is really viable outside Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood missions considering that sacrifices you’re making to be stealthy.
PvP obviously is a totally different thing obviously.
you said obviously 2x in the same sentence ... how is it obvious then? maybe it's not obvious.... if i cant do any real damage in stealth how is it beneficial? can i use b.o.w. in pvp?
LOL on reflection maybe it was too obvious....
In PvP there are massive advantages in not being seen. It’s a major part of large scale PvP. It means you can ambush or evade other players, or get closer to them before launching a devastating attack or snipe from concealment. It can give you control over the immediate battlespace. None of which really matters or is particularly effective in group PvE content.
In PvP an enemy player may have 40+ health maximum, so you could take down a player with a well timed burst attack from stealth and ideally vanish again without taking any damage. There are many, many very effective PvP builds that focus on just that.
Defensively, if you can’t be seen, you are unlikely to be attacked. So if you wanted to go collecting all the Cyrodiil skyshards without being attacked, a stealthy build is essential.
In PvE, where bosses have millions of health, stealth really only gets you the first hit, if that, and you’re sacrificing all your set bonuses and possibly some skill bar spaces for it. So not really a serious choice, more a role play option. Aside from the Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood challenges, there is almost no PvE content that actively rewards stealth.2 -
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None of which really matters or is particularly effective in group PvE content.Lady_Linux wrote: »I’m not sure that stealth is really very beneficial in PvE.
I’m not sure how much it benefits thieving (as opposed to maxing out legerdemain or Thieves Guild skill lines). I don’t see it bringing much utility in questing and can’t see it bringing any in group content (with the possible exception of March of Sacrifices).
I can see that it’s a fun gameplay style, which is enough reason to do it if that’s your thing. But I’m not sure a build that focuses on it is really viable outside Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood missions considering that sacrifices you’re making to be stealthy.
PvP obviously is a totally different thing obviously.
you said obviously 2x in the same sentence ... how is it obvious then? maybe it's not obvious.... if i cant do any real damage in stealth how is it beneficial? can i use b.o.w. in pvp?
While I raid and enjoy PvP I am pretty confident a majority of players are more chill about their playstyle and do not get into the group content to the degree some of us do. To some being sneaky in solo PvE is still fun. After all this is a RP game.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭night mothers embrace and night terror can get you basically invisible for crimes :-) and are easy to get
or if you want to combine questing you could also throw night mothers gaze in there which works also well...
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FierceSam✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Lady_Linux wrote: »
I made this and leveled it up to 50... i have all the pertinent skills and their morphs but i dont have all the morphs and skill lines maxed out quite yet.
bad thing about this build though, while i was leveling it up to 50 it was ok to do dungeons and battle grounds as a tank... but now that my hp is officially below 20k even with food buff, i dont think that will fly even with a one hand and shield equipped and using taunt and silver leash... also does less damage in a dungeon while using the destro staff than alll of my healer/dps hybrids...15-25% but more like 15-20% of dungeon damage... so i cant really slot it as anything in a dungeon at all and it has no utility in a battleground except for capture the relic where i can use invisibility to lay in wait for the team to leave while invisible to get the relic when they have all run away from their relic.... beyond the tactician achievement i'm useless.... mostly the stun from concealed weapon doesnt offer enough utility to make me useful in a fight and except that i can mostly avoid dying much of the time by going invisible, that gets hard to maintain in a long fight...
One relatively straightforward thing you could do that might help is have a separate gearset (and possibly skillset) for PvE group content, which didn’t focus so much on stealth, but on damage, tanking or healing. Just changing out the second monster piece would have an immediate impact - Shadowrend would add dps, while Chokethorn would add healing. If you wanted to be more tanky, something like the Lord Warden monster set would help. Look for similar Nightblade builds that aren’t so focused on stealth and see how you might be able to adapt to them without having to change up too much.
It’s a similar situation to that faced by tank and healing builds when they want to do questing and actually have to kill things for themselves - it’s good to have an alternative set.
This is relatively easy to do on PC with add ons like Dressing Room. On a console, where you would have to do this manually, I would do more thinking, and adopt a more simple approach that, say, only swapped out the body armour and the monster pieces and one or two key skills.
Your central problem remains that just as there are no rewards for tanking or healing in Overland content, there are no rewards for being stealthy in group content. You can be the master of stealth, but it won’t benefit you one bit in a dungeon.1 -
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✭✭✭✭Also if you are doing a bit of PvP, you should definitely try Imperial City, especially the PvE elements of it, where I think the build would excel.
Because, like Cyrodiil, it’s a PvPvE environment, your stealth is a major bonus. You can enjoy the questline, avoid enemy PvPers, farm tel var stones, go ganking, kill bosses and even team up with players of your alliance.
Again you might find you had to adapt your build to be more offensive or tanky, but fighting from stealth in IC is a very effective strategy. More so than in BGs.
IC is free from the Crown Store, if it’s not actually part of the base game.1 -
faeeichenlaub✭✭✭✭For straight up Heist's and Blade of woe fun.
4pc Draloc Brae
5 Piece Night Mother's Embrace
3 Piece Night Terror.
On Khajiit.... You can almost punch someone in the face and they won't see you."Azura give me strength, Let my voice change the world as long as I am in it."2 -
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✭✭✭✭Core elements of a classic stamblade thief build include:- Stealth radius improvement
- Stealth cost reduction
- Stealth movement speed buffs
To get the first two look to:- Medium armor passives
- Legerdemain passives
- Champion points
- Khajit racial passive
- Night Terror, Darloc Brae and/or Night Mother's Embrace sets
You need some of those buffs but not all. E.g., most of my time thieving was spent wearing only one of the three stealth radius improvement sets.
To eliminate the stealth movement speed penalty, one generally either wears Night's Silence or becomes a vampire. Further, slotting Concealed Weapon gives a strong stealth speed buff.
You also will want Cloak (for when stealth otherwise fails or is likely to fail), a snare breaker, and perhaps some other speed buffs.
That all leaves you several skill slots and set bonuses short of an ideal damage/solo build; further, since you took the Concealed Weapon morph you can't have Surprise Attack. No worries; in overland PvE you don't need an ideal damage build.
My current preference is just to go bow-bow; Sniping from stealth is very thematic for this play style; bow is good both in AoE and single-target; and there are a few options for a spammable (including just relying on Snipe). But any one or two of bow, DW or 2H is fine. If stealth fails and you are forced to stand and fight, you will want self-heals, so make room for those.
If you play on the PC/Mac, it really helps to use an add-on to change to a full combat load-out when you know you're about to initiate a tough fight (world boss, dolmen, whatever).1
