A shield is considered armor and uses an armor glyph for enchantment

Lady_Linux · December 2019

Yet it is not considered officially as light, medium, or heavy armor for the purposes of light, medium, or heavy armor bonuses

xWarbrain · December 2019

It does get its own armor bonus skill line. 1 hand and Shield...

Lady_Linux · December 2019

a shield should count as heavy armor for the purposes of armor skill bonuses

xWarbrain wrote: »

It does get its own armor bonus skill line. 1 hand and Shield...

i still think it should count as heavy armor for the armor bonus

Radiance · December 2019

I think the fact it already adds defense in place of a 2nd Hand Weapon and can block more DMG and be used to bash, it would just be overkill or Over-Armor, I guess... It is both Armor and a Weapon so idk how to answer this question but I think you addressed the problem in your poll by giving me too many options to determine whether it should count towards armor bonus.

If it does count, should it be Light, Medium or Heavy?

Idk...

Ragnarock41 · December 2019

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Okay, enough forums today.

idk · December 2019

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xWarbrain wrote: »

It does get its own armor bonus skill line. 1 hand and Shield...

Very much this. It is part of a weapon line and it's passives. As such it cannot be part of an armor line passive.

max_only · December 2019

A question for the philosoraptorclannfear

It’s fine the way it is.

zvavi · December 2019

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Armor amount wise it is closest to medium armor. but i mean, s/b passives exist, while i would love to see it implemented for pve reasons, pvp exists. And people hate the tank meta, i am always for buffs, but i will never press on the wounds of my fellow players just so i can enjoy some buffs for my tanks.

PS. Really? Buffing s/b? What about ice staff?

CMDR_Un1k0rn · December 2019

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Yeah.

SeaGtGruff · December 2019

Not made out of metallic ore, so not heavy armor.

Not made out of tanned hide, so not medium armor.

Not made out of plant fibers, so not light armor.

Conclusion: Should not count toward heavy, medium, nor light armor bonus.

Royaji · December 2019

Shield should be considered a weapon, se weapon glyphs and having the same glyphs on your one-handed weapon and shield should make them work as one full strength glyph (same for DW, btw).

Sorbin · December 2019

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ZOS should seriously nuke these forums and never bring them back.

Starlock · December 2019

a shield should count as heavy armor for the purposes of armor skill bonuses

In this one's ideal ESO, the weapon skill lines as they are currently would be designed somewhat differently. Instead of one-hand and shield we would have two skill lines - a shield skill line and a one-handed weapon skill line (plus a one-handed spell skill line at some date in the future). These three skill lines could synergize with each other and allow mix-and-match styles that aren't currently supported in the game. The shield skill line would be considered an armor-based skill line more than a weapon-based skill line.

I'll confess I wish it worked this way because a few of my character designs should be wielding one-handed weapons... but without the shield. I can't do that in this game right now, which has always felt a bit annoying.

Nord_Raseri · December 2019

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A shield get an 'Armor glyph' for utility due to the nature of sword and shield. A shield is not armor, it is a defensive weapon.

Nanfoodle · January 2020

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xWarbrain wrote: »

It does get its own armor bonus skill line. 1 hand and Shield...

This

Kingslayer513 · January 2020

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Lady_Linux wrote: »

xWarbrain wrote: »

It does get its own armor bonus skill line. 1 hand and Shield...

i still think it should count as heavy armor for the armor bonus

Garbage idea. You want to take the tanky pvp meta and make it even tankier???

Kingslayer513 · January 2020

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Royaji wrote: »

Shield should be considered a weapon, so weapon glyphs

Agreed. Remember that the way enchantments proc used to be completely different (and very clunky for off-hand), so it didn't make any sense to have a weapon glyph on shield when the shield itself never did dmg. But then enchantment proc'ing was redesigned, and now DW enchants have equal chance to proc left and right from all sources. There's no longer any good reason to not have a weapon glyph on shields.

Also it's really annoying having your stats flip-flop back and forth from an armor glyph if you aren't double barring shields.

max_only · January 2020

Kingslayer513 wrote: »

Royaji wrote: »

Shield should be considered a weapon, so weapon glyphs

Agreed. Remember that the way enchantments proc used to be completely different (and very clunky for off-hand), so it didn't make any sense to have a weapon glyph on shield when the shield itself never did dmg. But then enchantment proc'ing was redesigned, and now DW enchants have equal chance to proc left and right from all sources. There's no longer any good reason to not have a weapon glyph on shields.

Also it's really annoying having your stats flip-flop back and forth from an armor glyph if you aren't double barring shields.

Well there’s this salient point. So the topic wasn’t a complete waste.

D0PAMINE · January 2020

Im fine with how it is now.

Ysbriel · January 2020

Let the shield be its own thing.

Lady_Linux · January 2020

a shield should count as heavy armor for the purposes of armor skill bonuses

Starlock wrote: »

In this one's ideal ESO, the weapon skill lines as they are currently would be designed somewhat differently. Instead of one-hand and shield we would have two skill lines - a shield skill line and a one-handed weapon skill line (plus a one-handed spell skill line at some date in the future). These three skill lines could synergize with each other and allow mix-and-match styles that aren't currently supported in the game. The shield skill line would be considered an armor-based skill line more than a weapon-based skill line.

I'll confess I wish it worked this way because a few of my character designs should be wielding one-handed weapons... but without the shield. I can't do that in this game right now, which has always felt a bit annoying.

Someone who SEES

Lady_Linux · January 2020

a shield should count as heavy armor for the purposes of armor skill bonuses

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

Not made out of metallic ore, so not heavy armor.

Not made out of tanned hide, so not medium armor.

Not made out of plant fibers, so not light armor.

Conclusion: Should not count toward heavy, medium, nor light armor bonus.

it may noit be made of metal or hide or cloth but clearly wood is stronger than hide and not as strong as metal... presumably there is some metal facing on most shields, and decent high end shield would be made of wood and metal combined...

Lady_Linux · January 2020

a shield should count as heavy armor for the purposes of armor skill bonuses

xWarbrain wrote: »

It does get its own armor bonus skill line. 1 hand and Shield...

that's a weapon skill line not an armor skill line.... it doesnt get a weapon glyph, it gets an armor glyph, therefor it is armor not a weapon, but yet it doesn't belong to any armor skill line...

Lady_Linux · January 2020

a shield should count as heavy armor for the purposes of armor skill bonuses

idk wrote: »

xWarbrain wrote: »

It does get its own armor bonus skill line. 1 hand and Shield...

Very much this. It is part of a weapon line and it's passives. As such it cannot be part of an armor line passive.

and yet it gets an armor glyph, not a weapon glyph

idk · January 2020

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Lady_Linux wrote: »

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

Not made out of metallic ore, so not heavy armor.

Not made out of tanned hide, so not medium armor.

Not made out of plant fibers, so not light armor.

Conclusion: Should not count toward heavy, medium, nor light armor bonus.

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

Not made out of metallic ore, so not heavy armor.

Not made out of tanned hide, so not medium armor.

Not made out of plant fibers, so not light armor.

Conclusion: Should not count toward heavy, medium, nor light armor bonus.

it may noit be made of metal or hide or cloth but clearly wood is stronger than hide and not as strong as metal... presumably there is some metal facing on most shields, and decent high end shield would be made of wood and metal combined...

Their logic makes the second most sense in this thread. The reasoning that makes the most sense is that the shield is the board part of Sword and Board.

That in itself specifically denotes without question the shield is not only part of that weapon skill line but is a requirement for it. This is a solid and simple fact of the design and logical it should be that way.

Lady_Linux · January 2020

a shield should count as heavy armor for the purposes of armor skill bonuses

idk wrote: »

Lady_Linux wrote: »

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

Not made out of metallic ore, so not heavy armor.

Not made out of tanned hide, so not medium armor.

Not made out of plant fibers, so not light armor.

Conclusion: Should not count toward heavy, medium, nor light armor bonus.

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

Not made out of metallic ore, so not heavy armor.

Not made out of tanned hide, so not medium armor.

Not made out of plant fibers, so not light armor.

Conclusion: Should not count toward heavy, medium, nor light armor bonus.

it may noit be made of metal or hide or cloth but clearly wood is stronger than hide and not as strong as metal... presumably there is some metal facing on most shields, and decent high end shield would be made of wood and metal combined...

Their logic makes the second most sense in this thread. The reasoning that makes the most sense is that the shield is the board part of Sword and Board.

That in itself specifically denotes without question the shield is not only part of that weapon skill line but is a requirement for it. This is a solid and simple fact of the design and logical it should be that way.

then it should get a weapon glyph not an armor glyph yes??? glad you agree

idk · January 2020

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Lady_Linux wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Lady_Linux wrote: »

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

Not made out of metallic ore, so not heavy armor.

Not made out of tanned hide, so not medium armor.

Not made out of plant fibers, so not light armor.

Conclusion: Should not count toward heavy, medium, nor light armor bonus.

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

Not made out of metallic ore, so not heavy armor.

Not made out of tanned hide, so not medium armor.

Not made out of plant fibers, so not light armor.

Conclusion: Should not count toward heavy, medium, nor light armor bonus.

it may noit be made of metal or hide or cloth but clearly wood is stronger than hide and not as strong as metal... presumably there is some metal facing on most shields, and decent high end shield would be made of wood and metal combined...

Their logic makes the second most sense in this thread. The reasoning that makes the most sense is that the shield is the board part of Sword and Board.

That in itself specifically denotes without question the shield is not only part of that weapon skill line but is a requirement for it. This is a solid and simple fact of the design and logical it should be that way.

idk wrote: »

Lady_Linux wrote: »

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

Not made out of metallic ore, so not heavy armor.

Not made out of tanned hide, so not medium armor.

Not made out of plant fibers, so not light armor.

Conclusion: Should not count toward heavy, medium, nor light armor bonus.

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

Not made out of metallic ore, so not heavy armor.

Not made out of tanned hide, so not medium armor.

Not made out of plant fibers, so not light armor.

Conclusion: Should not count toward heavy, medium, nor light armor bonus.

it may noit be made of metal or hide or cloth but clearly wood is stronger than hide and not as strong as metal... presumably there is some metal facing on most shields, and decent high end shield would be made of wood and metal combined...

Their logic makes the second most sense in this thread. The reasoning that makes the most sense is that the shield is the board part of Sword and Board.

That in itself specifically denotes without question the shield is not only part of that weapon skill line but is a requirement for it. This is a solid and simple fact of the design and logical it should be that way.

then it should get a weapon glyph not an armor glyph yes??? glad you agree

I agree you are grasping at straws with this armor glyph argument.

Lady_Linux · January 2020

a shield should count as heavy armor for the purposes of armor skill bonuses

Sorbin wrote: »

ZOS should seriously nuke these forums and never bring them back.

if you feel that strongly about it, then why are you in the forums?

MajBludd · January 2020

What gear setup do want to try that you need a shield to count as a heavy piece?

Nord_Raseri · January 2020

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Lady_Linux wrote: »

then it should get a weapon glyph not an armor glyph yes??? glad you agree

As stated earlier, a shield gets an armor glyph for utility due to the nature of 'Sword and Shield' and it's skill line (A shield being a defensive weapon, neither armor nor an offensive weapon, but a bit of both)

ayu_fever · January 2020

i would like different weights of shields to be incorporated.
small buckler types to be light.
targes to be medium.
towers to be heavy.

of course, the outfit station will still let us look how we want while maintaining function of what equip without losing its utility.

we tanks get an 8th armor slot already in the form of a shield, and you would get the specific armor weight passives from it depending on the weight type of the equipped shield.

i go 7 heavy most of the time but sometimes i use my monster set in 1 light 1 medium for the passives.
if i had 8 heavy, or even 6 heavy 1 medium 1 light that does open up more stats and passives.

i think it would be fun!
shouldnt be gamebreaking but who knows.
pvp ruins everything anyway.

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A shield is considered armor and uses an armor glyph for enchantment

A shield is considered armor and uses an armor glyph for enchantment 95 votes