PVP - Is bow viable for magica chars?

Mariusghost84 · December 2019

I love being able to move fast in BGs , is bow a viable option for say - a magica sorcerer? I lose the 8% dmg increase by not using Inferno staff, but does the increased crit make up for it?

Nordic__Knights · December 2019

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Salix_alba · December 2019

If it wasn't then salty pvp'ers wouldn't still be demanding bow nerfs like "snipe" for some unknown reason.

Mariusghost84 · December 2019

I dont really understand what you mean by that @Salix_alba . Is bow a very bad choice for mag characters? Why?

Salix_alba · December 2019

No I'm saying I suppose it can work if done right. It wont be the meta and especially not the meta to end all metas no hybrid is But as a backup weapon Its worth a shot.

Look at all the players complaining about the bow skills wanting nerfs clearly someone is killing them and their "insert named builds" that they thought were invincible only to be skewered by a longbow to the nethers. I love getting hate tells from people who thought I wasn't supposed to be able to harm them it lets me know I'm doing well since its hard to tell from range sometimes.

also say you hit someone with a bow and they close ranks with you only to get fried by whatever magic combo you have cooking could work wont know till you try I had a bow on the back bar for my templar for just that reason kept a decent k.d.r with him doing that.

Nordic__Knights · December 2019

1st off bow skills will drain what lil stam you have fast 2nd they wont hit to hard as you'll have low physical damage being magic 3rd your attacks will give back stam not magic causing your sustain to be trash!! Enough reasons why bow on an magic is bad?

oXI_Viper_IXo · December 2019

Mariusghost84 wrote: »

I love being able to move fast in BGs , is bow a viable option for say - a magica sorcerer? I lose the 8% dmg increase by not using Inferno staff, but does the increased crit make up for it?

Definitely not worth it. You want mobility on a MagSorc, what's wrong with Boundless Storm and Streak?

Nordic__Knights · December 2019

oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »

Mariusghost84 wrote: »

I love being able to move fast in BGs , is bow a viable option for say - a magica sorcerer? I lose the 8% dmg increase by not using Inferno staff, but does the increased crit make up for it?

Definitely not worth it. You want mobility on a MagSorc, what's wrong with Boundless Storm and Streak?

Or even running false god set the seed boost it gives is great for magic characters

Mitrenga · December 2019

It's a choice but not a viable one. Bow skill damage scales with stamina, so you lose more than 8% damage. Your mana pool will be larger than the stamina pool (if you are mag sorc), that renders stamina weapons/abilities useless. DW skill line has a passive for +% increase damage done, you can also try that but that will also limit you.

You can always go with the Stam Sorc if you are looking for more mobility.

Kel · December 2019

https://eso-sets.com/set/marauders-haste

Mag sorc?

Here you go. Cast shields.....run fast.

Shaloknir · December 2019

Mitrenga wrote: »

It's a choice but not a viable one. Bow skill damage scales with stamina, so you lose more than 8% damage. Your mana pool will be larger than the stamina pool (if you are mag sorc), that renders stamina weapons/abilities useless. DW skill line has a passive for +% increase damage done, you can also try that but that will also limit you.

You can always go with the Stam Sorc if you are looking for more mobility.

Also using bow will mean your toon won't be getting main resource back with heavy attacks. Very difficult to make a magicka sorcerer build with bow that is competitive. But if OP is not playing in competitive environment I guess he can use the weapon he likes the best.

Nordic__Knights · December 2019

Kel wrote: »

https://eso-sets.com/set/marauders-haste

Mag sorc?

Here you go. Cast shields.....run fast.

this is actually an nice set

OrdoHermetica · December 2019

Mariusghost84 wrote: »

but does the increased crit make up for it?

The bow passive increases Weapon Crit, not Spell Crit (which is what pretty much all magicka-based abilities use), so no, it definitely does not.

Luede · December 2019

dont know why u wanna play a mag sorc with bow, if u can play a stam sorc with bow...what skills do u need from mag?

Bradyfjord · December 2019

ESO game design strongly discourages players from using both physical and magical skills. I won't go over what others have said about this.

If you're looking for mobility, I'd suggest looking into getting your hands on speed potions from alchemy. Alchemy is your answer if your class needs something more often than not. That will allow you to run a stronger build, and have a backup mobility option for difficult moments.

Kadoin · December 2019

I don't know about sorc, but I did use a spell strategist bow at one point when someone sold it for 1K gold...

idk · December 2019

Salix_alba wrote: »

No I'm saying I suppose it can work if done right. It wont be the meta and especially not the meta to end all metas no hybrid is But as a backup weapon Its worth a shot.

Look at all the players complaining about the bow skills wanting nerfs clearly someone is killing them and their "insert named builds" that they thought were invincible only to be skewered by a longbow to the nethers. I love getting hate tells from people who thought I wasn't supposed to be able to harm them it lets me know I'm doing well since its hard to tell from range sometimes.

also say you hit someone with a bow and they close ranks with you only to get fried by whatever magic combo you have cooking could work wont know till you try I had a bow on the back bar for my templar for just that reason kept a decent k.d.r with him doing that.

OMG, no. Pretty much anyone targeted by a magicka build using snipe would laugh because the damage would be as pathetic as the build itself. Your suggestion is merely a wild stretch of the imagination and unrelated hypotheticals.

Ysbriel · December 2019

It could be viable, people are going for S&B for magicka character so give it a shot.

Mariusghost84 · December 2019

Thanks for your input guys. Appriciate it. I was only going to use it for the speed bonus. I think im gonna give it a go. I wont be heavyattacking on that bar anyways, nor will i be using weapon abilities.

Moonsorrow · December 2019

As a Msorc why not just use Streak and Boundless Storm for the 30% major expedition from it? I mean Msorc is fast and mobile with class tools, and those tools also give other benefits so totally worth the slots for several reasons.

Sometimes can make interesting combos with off stat weapons, but.. atleast then use them for the ultimates they bring in (at no-cp no need to think all the scaling bonuses that are "wasted"). Ballista from a magsorc would be a surprise atleast and with formidable damage too with a proper setup. Such setups can bring in some laughs when peeps are surprised.

But to the original point, as msorc - use Streak or Ball of Lightning and Boundless Storm to be fast. You will enjoy Resto staff or SnB as your defensive bar way more in the end.

Asardes · December 2019

Accuracy passive increases Weapon Critical by 5%. Abilities that use magicka are using Spell Critical stat. Also bow heavy and light attacks scale off Maximum Stamina and Weapon Damage. Also heavy attacks will restore stamina, and light & heavy won't restore magicka when attacking an enemy with Minor Magickasteal applied, since they do physical damage. So bow is a really bad choice for any magicka class.

Other stamina weapons sorta make sense for some builds:
- some people were using Two Handed for the Forward Momentum snare removal, but not much else
- Dual Wield swords were popular for many builds before staves counted as 2 pieces, for the Twin Blade and Blunt passive; nowadays only used on bomber builds, although it can be argued Lightning Staff is pretty good there since all your skills are AoE
- One Hand and Shield is an excellent option for magicka classes that don't have mobility and have to be build up their defenses, like Templar and DK, but can be a decent option on Sorcerer too; you'll be using only the passives and the ultimate.

Mariusghost84 · December 2019

Moonsorrow wrote: »

As a Msorc why not just use Streak and Boundless Storm for the 30% major expedition from it? I mean Msorc is fast and mobile with class tools, and those tools also give other benefits so totally worth the slots for several reasons.

Sometimes can make interesting combos with off stat weapons, but.. atleast then use them for the ultimates they bring in (at no-cp no need to think all the scaling bonuses that are "wasted"). Ballista from a magsorc would be a surprise atleast and with formidable damage too with a proper setup. Such setups can bring in some laughs when peeps are surprised.

But to the original point, as msorc - use Streak or Ball of Lightning and Boundless Storm to be fast. You will enjoy Resto staff or SnB as your defensive bar way more in the end.

I had no idea that boundless storm gave major expedition. Thanks for clearing that up! Then its a done deal

Luede · December 2019

Mariusghost84 wrote: »

Thanks for your input guys. Appriciate it. I was only going to use it for the speed bonus. I think im gonna give it a go. I wont be heavyattacking on that bar anyways, nor will i be using weapon abilities.

level ur psijik guild for speed, or become a vampire. bow only for 4 sek run speed after a dodge roll is stupid.

validifyedneb18_ESO · December 2019

Mariusghost84 wrote: »

I dont really understand what you mean by that @Salix_alba . Is bow a very bad choice for mag characters? Why?

they regen stamina on attack, not magica
the damage scales off your max stamina and wep damage which will be very low
bow abilities use stamina and scale off stam/wep likewise

Its one of the great shames since the great hybrid purge of one tamriel

Fur_like_snow · December 2019

Just play stamSorc and you can use a bow no problem. Magicka characters can’t take advantage of what bow has to offer for many many reasons OP.

LadyNalcarya · December 2019

Well.. If I remember correctly, the speed bonus only applies for a few seconds after roll dodge. I don't think that spamming dodge randomly is a good idea for a magicka char, especially in bgs where you don't have any champion bonuses.

Cirantille · December 2019

If you put a sticker on your face saying "FREE AP"
Why not

NBrookus · December 2019

Asardes wrote: »

Other stamina weapons sorta make sense for some builds:
- some people were using Two Handed for the Forward Momentum snare removal, but not much else
- Dual Wield swords were popular for many builds before staves counted as 2 pieces, for the Twin Blade and Blunt passive; nowadays only used on bomber builds, although it can be argued Lightning Staff is pretty good there since all your skills are AoE

2H gives the same damage buff as dual wield, plus you get the stam regen from Battle Rush and the Follow Up damage increase if you use a fully charged heavy attack.