Why no Trade chat?

chadverkruisenb16_ESO · April 2014

As far as i know there is only zone chat, guild chat, and whispers. No trade chat. Combining the fact that there is no Auction House(not a big deal imo) and the poor guild auction house system with the 500 player limit sends people to spam zone chat like its meant for trade. Saying things like WTS, WTT, WTB. This is extremely annoying because as far as i know zone is meant for grouping, helping with quests, and general chatting about stuff going on in the game. Perhaps Zenimax thought that having trading guilds would be enough but they aren't. We need a trade chat or other solution to stop the spamming of the zone chat with people trying to sell and trade items. Does anyone else see this as a problem?

Melian · April 2014

Trade chat would be good. It's reasonable to use chat for buying and selling but we don't need it mixed in with the general questions & answers (and jokes and trolling) of zone chat.

Ziiko · April 2014

Yea I'm not sure I follow the logic behind this. Even EQ, which released in 1999 did so with /auction, /ooc, /shout, /say as basic chat "channels."

If you're not going to give us a better way to trade than guild stores, a channel for buying and selling is really necessary.

chadverkruisenb16_ESO · April 2014

Ziiko wrote: »

Yea I'm not sure I follow the logic behind this. Even EQ, which released in 1999 did so with /auction, /ooc, /shout, /say as basic chat "channels."

If you're not going to give us a better way to trade than guild stores, a channel for buying and selling is really necessary.

Thats what i mean, the systems in place right now are not good enough for selling your stuff. They really should have some sort of feature to make trading guilds that can have up to 5k members and such. Even then a place to trade bigger items is needed and i am surprised that Zenimax overlooked(or chose not to include) this basic feature.

t.steve1991ub17_ESO · April 2014

People are going to sell things in other chats no matter if there is a trade chat or not. If they do not get any whispers from trade chat because most people have trade turned off they would just use zone anyway. Same as people using trade chat for grouping because its the more popular channel.

Jadeviper1974 · April 2014

chadverkruisenb16_ESO wrote: »

As far as i know there is only zone chat, guild chat, and whispers. No trade chat. Combining the fact that there is no Auction House(not a big deal imo) and the poor guild auction house system with the 500 player limit sends people to spam zone chat like its meant for trade. Saying things like WTS, WTT, WTB. This is extremely annoying because as far as i know zone is meant for grouping, helping with quests, and general chatting about stuff going on in the game. Perhaps Zenimax thought that having trading guilds would be enough but they aren't. We need a trade chat or other solution to stop the spamming of the zone chat with people trying to sell and trade items. Does anyone else see this as a problem?

Poor planning and design. That's the simple answer.

Coggage · April 2014

No-one uses Trade chat in mmorpgs, or if they do it's very few. Most people just spam general chat because more people see their stuff.

What I'd like to see, alongside the guild store system, is individual players sitting around with a little store set up in front of them, as seen in some Korean games. It lets players sell stuff while they're offline. It's the only thing about Korean games I like and I've never seen that in a Western game that I have played..

chadverkruisenb16_ESO · April 2014

t.steve1991ub17_ESO wrote: »

People are going to sell things in other chats no matter if there is a trade chat or not. If they do not get any whispers from trade chat because most people have trade turned off they would just use zone anyway. Same as people using trade chat for grouping because its the more popular channel.

I see what you are saying but that is why in most MMO's trade chat is only enabled when inside major cities. That way people see trade chat when they want to buy and sell and they see zone chat when they are out and about questing.

Gedalya · April 2014

I would like to see a trade option for chat. I have traded using the system as-is; however I worry about the spamming rules as I've read comments from users kicked for asking more than once regarding something they were interested in.

chadverkruisenb16_ESO · April 2014

Coggage wrote: »

No-one uses Trade chat in mmorpgs, or if they do it's very few. Most people just spam general chat because more people see their stuff.

What I'd like to see, alongside the guild store system, is individual players sitting around with a little store set up in front of them, as seen in some Korean games. It lets players sell stuff while they're offline. It's the only thing about Korean games I like and I've never seen that in a Western game that I have played..

Dont hate on me for using WOW as a reference because ESO, Wow, and Eve are the only mmorpg's ive really played. But in wow i almost never saw people using general chat for trading and if i did it was very rare. Trade is the most popular place for trading because that's what it is made for.

Achromatis · April 2014

It would have to be like WoW's, where it is global but only while in major cities. So Devon's Watch/Mounrhold/Rift/etc would all have a connected trade channel. A global global trade channel would just annoying anyone questing enough to turn it off, and a zone wide one would be the same. Trade guilds are great and I prefer that to a trade channel but the 500 person limit is kind of... limiting, and it is really annoying to sell things or track what are effectively 3-4 separate trade channels.

There is no way to eliminate trade spam in /zone though, that's just MMOs.

Natjur · April 2014

Every MMO I have play that had a trade channel, it was never used, as those questing found the spam annoying and turned if off, so the sellers where not 'meeting their market' and stopped using it and went back to zone spam.

The Guild chat works for me, as they are mostly trade (if you zoned a trader guild)

If they added a trade channel, that was across all zones, for a given faction on the one mega server..... I am sure if would spam so fast you could not read it!

So personally, for me, the current system works.

chadverkruisenb16_ESO · April 2014

Natjur wrote: »

Every MMO I have play that had a trade channel, it was never used, as those questing found the spam annoying and turned if off, so the sellers where not 'meeting their market' and stopped using it and went back to zone spam.

The Guild chat works for me, as they are mostly trade (if you zoned a trader guild)

If they added a trade channel, that was across all zones, for a given faction on the one mega server..... I am sure if would spam so fast you could not read it!

So personally, for me, the current system works.

You would have to be really stupid to make a global trade channel. Trade channels are meant to only be active while in cities. That way when questing you don't see the sellers because when questing people don't want to see sellers spamming. When in cities its the proper time to trade.

Natjur · April 2014

chadverkruisenb16_ESO wrote: »

You would have to be really stupid to make a global trade channel. Trade channels are meant to only be active while in cities. That way when questing you don't see the sellers because when questing people don't want to see sellers spamming. When in cities its the proper time to trade.

But like I said, as sellers WANT to sell there stuff, having a system that is limited to just a small city (even if it was all city's), the sellers would not use it as its not 'reaching' many people and they would go back to spamming the zone channel again. Like all SPAM, they try to get as many people as possible to read there message and a city only trade channel would not work.

chadverkruisenb16_ESO · April 2014

Natjur wrote: »

chadverkruisenb16_ESO wrote: »

You would have to be really stupid to make a global trade channel. Trade channels are meant to only be active while in cities. That way when questing you don't see the sellers because when questing people don't want to see sellers spamming. When in cities its the proper time to trade.

But like I said, as sellers WANT to sell there stuff, having a system that is limited to just a small city (even if it was all city's), the sellers would not use it as its not 'reaching' many people and they would go back to spamming the zone channel again. Like all SPAM, they try to get as many people as possible to read there message and a city only trade channel would not work.

Always worked in world of warcraft -_-

lioslinn · April 2014

Coggage wrote: »

What I'd like to see, alongside the guild store system, is individual players sitting around with a little store set up in front of them, as seen in some Korean games. It lets players sell stuff while they're offline. It's the only thing about Korean games I like and I've never seen that in a Western game that I have played..

EQ1 had this in 2001... sometimes I wonder if people know MMOs existed waaay back before WoW =p You could open a stall in the market area and people could buy your items while you were offline. It's not that new of a concept... Just limit it to an area of course so cities don't get randomly crowded by afk people.

I also think a trade channel would be nice, one available in large cities, as would make sense. At least that way when people spam the general channel you could tell them to switch =p

Dovel · April 2014

The ability to make any custom channel. trade or otherwise, would be a nice feature.

byghostlightrwb17_ESO · April 2014

I wont like to see but know from my experience sadly not everyone would go there

MysticAura · April 2014

A trade/advertising chat would be a wonderful addition. As would an ooc/help channel (so not everyone has to see spoilers and other similar things) Currently all of the above end up in zone.