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Dungeon Finder & Leaver Penalty
Chelo
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So I can get matched with 3 low level players (below 50) for any Dungeon, and if I leave, I get a penalty for 15 minutes.... Yeah smart design there (sarcasm).
Its been almost 6 years, why we still not have a CP Dungeon Finder?... PvP is literally split between CP and No CP, why PvE isn't already? I dont get it...
At least split it Below and Above 160cp...
Edited by Chelo on December 26, 2019 3:45AM Its been almost 6 years, why we still not have a CP Dungeon Finder?... PvP is literally split between CP and No CP, why PvE isn't already? I dont get it...
At least split it Below and Above 160cp...
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Nestor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭If you want all CP players in your group, queue for a Vet Dungeon.
If the population is segregated it will only increase dungeon queue times.
And, having CP is no guarantee of player competency
Edited by Nestor on December 26, 2019 3:55AMEnjoy the game, life is what you really want to be worried about.
PakKat "Everything was going well, until I died"
Gary Gravestink "I am glad you died, I needed the help"18 -
redspecter23✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Low level players in your dungeon mean exactly one thing. You got an easy dungeon. You should count your blessings on your fast completion. I don't even bother with randoms unless a guildie is on a low level character to get the fast easy dungeon. Otherwise I'll just go mob grinding for xp instead.3 -
Chelo✭✭✭✭✭Guys please don't try to justify bad game design... Devs clearly make a mistake... And they should know it...
It's been 6 years already and we still don't have a CP Dungeon Finder...
I been asking stuff like Race Change since the close beta (very basic MMO options), and it took them years to actually implement it in game.
So here I am, waiting for a CP Dungeon Finder, hope it don't take them 10 years...Edited by Chelo on December 26, 2019 4:02AM4 -
Nestor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭But we do, its called the Vet Dungeon Queue...Enjoy the game, life is what you really want to be worried about.
PakKat "Everything was going well, until I died"
Gary Gravestink "I am glad you died, I needed the help"8 -
Chelo✭✭✭✭✭But we do, its called the Vet Dungeon Queue...
Even in vet is where is needed the most... I should be able to set a "Rank" for my que. For example, only que with people who are between 600 and 810.
As I said, hope it don't take them 10 years and please stop try to justify bad game design...3 -
Nanfoodle✭✭✭✭✭It's elitism thinking OP. Random normals are where you learn dungeons. If you run a normal random it's what it is, random. Vet runs are just what it says. In one breath you say let them be at least CP160 and it the next you only want to team with VP600+. I think you need to stop Qing in the dungeon finder and just make a team from friends and guildies. It's because of this attitude new players feel rejected by the community and leave. MMOs used to be about the community but that is getting lost sadly. It's this kind of thinking thats going to kill MMOs in the end.12 -
Nanfoodle✭✭✭✭✭My wife and I stopped running dungeons because we kept running into people like this. Telling us we were not worth teaming with. Funny how after people like that left we still managed to finish the dungeon. We decided to keep playing, almost CP500 and my question. When I get CP600, will you want me in your Vet dungeon run? ESO community needs to stop attacking and ignoring new players. My wife and I did talk about going back to WoW over the toxic vibe allot of players give off here. Never thought I would say this but WoW's community embraces new players much better. Fortunately my wife and I found a really solid guild. They have been great.5
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witchdoctor✭✭✭✭✭
✭One would think any player as awesome as the OP would have 3 others to invite to group > P > queue for random dungeon.3 -
oxygen_thief✭✭✭✭✭
✭But we do, its called the Vet Dungeon Queue...
Even in vet is where is needed the most... I should be able to set a "Rank" for my que. For example, only que with people who are between 600 and 810.
As I said, hope it don't take them 10 years and please stop try to justify bad game design...
i have 1100+ i know nothing about your vet dungeons and i dont have a proper pve gear2 -
Nordic__Knights✭✭✭✭✭
✭oxygen_thief wrote: »But we do, its called the Vet Dungeon Queue...
Even in vet is where is needed the most... I should be able to set a "Rank" for my que. For example, only que with people who are between 600 and 810.
As I said, hope it don't take them 10 years and please stop try to justify bad game design...
i have 1100+ i know nothing about your vet dungeons and i dont have a proper pve gear
But you got more then 600cp so your good to go tho you yourself said youd be worthless doing an vet dungeon as you know nothing about them 😆 😆 😆 but hey OP will carry you because again you got the cp1 -
Reverb✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Random queue = random results. If you want to control the group configuration and outcome then it’s not random, and you should form your group manually. That way you can make whatever CP requirements.
But if you queue for a random and bail on it because the randomness doesn’t meet your personal, arbitrary requirements you get a penalty. And that’s appropriate. That’s not bad design, that’s consequences for bailing on your party and inconveniencing 3 other players who now have to wait for the instance to be filled.Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you. ~Friedrich Nietzsche2 -
RefLiberty✭✭✭✭✭
✭OP is hilarious.
Why you even bother.
Not to mention that if people disagree with solid arguments, he's response is "why are you justify bad game design and Devs should know it."
What a joke.
Not to mention that he will sit in Q forever if it is divided on CP points.
Meh...1 -
Nordic__Knights✭✭✭✭✭
✭RefLiberty wrote: »OP is hilarious.
Why you even bother.
Not to mention that if people disagree with solid arguments, he's response is "why are you justify bad game design and Devs should know it."
What a joke.
Not to mention that he will sit in Q forever if it is divided on CP points.
Meh...
The air up there is hard to breath so hes light headed i think the issue maybe3 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭If you want all CP players in your group, queue for a Vet Dungeon.
If the population is segregated it will only increase dungeon queue times.
And, having CP is no guarantee of player competency
Pretty much this.
It sounds like OP got what they asked for, a completely random group that could include low level players but then chose to come to the forums to complain about it.
Form your own group if you want to be picky. Otherwise enjoy the deserter penalty.2 -
LucyferLightbringer✭✭✭✭✭Nordic__Knights wrote: »oxygen_thief wrote: »But we do, its called the Vet Dungeon Queue...
Even in vet is where is needed the most... I should be able to set a "Rank" for my que. For example, only que with people who are between 600 and 810.
As I said, hope it don't take them 10 years and please stop try to justify bad game design...
i have 1100+ i know nothing about your vet dungeons and i dont have a proper pve gear
But you got more then 600cp so your good to go tho you yourself said youd be worthless doing an vet dungeon as you know nothing about them 😆 😆 😆 but hey OP will carry you because again you got the cp
I think OP is the one who needs to be carried, that is why he wants high CP players only. I smell dead weight...6 -
mocap✭✭✭✭✭
✭it isn't "Leaver Penalty", it's dungeon finder cooldown. Once you enter the dungeon, timer begin to countdown.
Also, below 50 means you que for normal dungeons, right? Most of them (all of them?) are soloable, so any help even from low lvl players is reduce difficulty and increase speed.1 -
rpa✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I can solo easy normal dungeons (slowly) and still avoid dungeon finder. I'm fine getting in a group with newbs and having to do all the work (slowly) but I get excema from people like OP.3 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭But we do, its called the Vet Dungeon Queue...
Even in vet is where is needed the most... I should be able to set a "Rank" for my que. For example, only que with people who are between 600 and 810.
As I said, hope it don't take them 10 years and please stop try to justify bad game design...
Not at all. Zos revisited the requirements for each dungeon for GF purposes. As such the message is if you want different requirements form your own group.
If you are queueing solo for a random dungeon you are literally asking for a group within the parameters Zos set so it makes no sense to come in here to complain and somehow blame Zos for the choices you made.0 -
Chelo✭✭✭✭✭It's elitism thinking OP. Random normals are where you learn dungeons. If you run a normal random it's what it is, random. Vet runs are just what it says. In one breath you say let them be at least CP160 and it the next you only want to team with VP600+. I think you need to stop Qing in the dungeon finder and just make a team from friends and guildies. It's because of this attitude new players feel rejected by the community and leave. MMOs used to be about the community but that is getting lost sadly. It's this kind of thinking thats going to kill MMOs in the end.
This kind of thinking have been in the genre for the last 25 years...My wife and I stopped running dungeons because we kept running into people like this. Telling us we were not worth teaming with. Funny how after people like that left we still managed to finish the dungeon. We decided to keep playing, almost CP500 and my question. When I get CP600, will you want me in your Vet dungeon run? ESO community needs to stop attacking and ignoring new players. My wife and I did talk about going back to WoW over the toxic vibe allot of players give off here. Never thought I would say this but WoW's community embraces new players much better. Fortunately my wife and I found a really solid guild. They have been great.
If you get a new job, everybody at the office will treat you like ''the new guy'' because you are the new guy... Nobody is going to assign you the hardest task because nobody trust you. You have to earn their trust with time. Social games are exactly the same. Only way to tell how much experience does people have, is with level.
Dont expect people to trust you when you just start the game.
Of course you will find some experienced players that are willing to help you but dont expect that every veteran player will do the same. They are in their total right to say ''no, I dont want to play with you'', because most of us have been playing our asses off since the beginning to be at a certain level and perform as efficiently as possible. If new players want respect, first respect your elders...
Is the same in the military, you treat people by their Rank...Random queue = random results. If you want to control the group configuration and outcome then it’s not random, and you should form your group manually. That way you can make whatever CP requirements.
But if you queue for a random and bail on it because the randomness doesn’t meet your personal, arbitrary requirements you get a penalty. And that’s appropriate. That’s not bad design, that’s consequences for bailing on your party and inconveniencing 3 other players who now have to wait for the instance to be filled.
By that logic, why we have Roles to queue in the first place? Doesnt Random Queue mean Random Results? So lets make Queue 100% Random and we will end up with a 4 Tank team...
We already have the ''Role Filter'', I just asking for more filters (which are totaly normal in other MMOs)...RefLiberty wrote: »OP is hilarious.
Why you even bother.
Not to mention that if people disagree with solid arguments, he's response is "why are you justify bad game design and Devs should know it."
What a joke.
Not to mention that he will sit in Q forever if it is divided on CP points.
Meh...
Give me a solid argument about why should I play with low level players? What advantage can I get by doing that? Do I get a random buff? Is the Dungeon going to be completed faster? Double Loot? Double Exp?...
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kargen27✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Queues are long enough as it is.
You can ask in zone chat or guild chat if you are looking for a specific level group then queue for random.
I like sometimes running with low level or inexperienced players. Keeps things interesting. When I run with guild we all know what we are suppose to do and what everyone else in the group will do. Gets mundane after a while. THen I jump in with a group that has the potential to be a complete train wreck and everything is fresh again.and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."2 -
Chelo✭✭✭✭✭Queues are long enough as it is.
You can ask in zone chat or guild chat if you are looking for a specific level group then queue for random.
I like sometimes running with low level or inexperienced players. Keeps things interesting. When I run with guild we all know what we are suppose to do and what everyone else in the group will do. Gets mundane after a while. THen I jump in with a group that has the potential to be a complete train wreck and everything is fresh again.
The reason Queues are long is because not a single ''decent'' player use the Dungeon Finder... As people said above, right now is totaly random, the only filter are Roles. So most of the decent players have to form a group manually. Try to Que for DLC Dungeons and it can take hours...
But I strongly believe that if we could get more filters and options in the Dungeon Finder, all those players that have been forming groups manually, eventually will start using the Dungeon Finder.
For example right now its literally impossible going for an achievement run using the Dungeon Finder. Maybe if we could get a filter or something to indicate that we are trying to Que for a ''Speed Run'' or a''No Dead Run'' or whatever, maybe we could get the chance to be match with people with our same Goals... Right now this is impossible because its simply too Random, as I said, Not a single ''decent'' player use the Dungeon Finder...0 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Give me a solid argument about why should I play with low level players?
The answer is quite simple. You chose to queue solo for a random normal dungeon which is widely known to mean you could be grouped with lower level players. It seems obvious for most of us.
So if you want to avoid lower level players then queue for a vet dungeon. If you have requirements you want for your group above that which has been set by Zos then form your own group. It just seems odd to choose to queue for a totally random group that could include lower level players then come to the forums and complain about ones own choice.3 -
Nordic__Knights✭✭✭✭✭
✭Queues are long enough as it is.
You can ask in zone chat or guild chat if you are looking for a specific level group then queue for random.
I like sometimes running with low level or inexperienced players. Keeps things interesting. When I run with guild we all know what we are suppose to do and what everyone else in the group will do. Gets mundane after a while. THen I jump in with a group that has the potential to be a complete train wreck and everything is fresh again.
The reason Queues are long is because not a single ''decent'' player use the Dungeon Finder... As people said above, right now is totaly random, the only filter are Roles. So most of the decent players have to form a group manually. Try to Que for DLC Dungeons and it can take hours...
But I strongly believe that if we could get more filters and options in the Dungeon Finder, all those players that have been forming groups manually, eventually will start using the Dungeon Finder.
For example right now its literally impossible going for an achievement run using the Dungeon Finder. Maybe if we could get a filter or something to indicate that we are trying to Que for a ''Speed Run'' or a''No Dead Run'' or whatever, maybe we could get the chance to be match with people with our same Goals... Right now this is impossible because its simply too Random, as I said, Not a single ''decent'' player use the Dungeon Finder...
😆 😆 😆 ive completed EVERY dlc dungeon in game today and guess what ive done them all in gf even hm 😆 😆 😆 but myself i LOVE the added challenge of not knowing who I'm going to be playing with whether they're going to be good or not why is this because I trust my skills1 -
Chelo✭✭✭✭✭Give me a solid argument about why should I play with low level players?
The answer is quite simple. You chose to queue solo for a random normal dungeon which is widely known to mean you could be grouped with lower level players. It seems obvious for most of us.
So if you want to avoid lower level players then queue for a vet dungeon. If you have requirements you want for your group above that which has been set by Zos then form your own group. It just seems odd to choose to queue for a totally random group that could include lower level players then come to the forums and complain about ones own choice.
So give me a solid argument about why not having more filters/options in the Dungeon Finder?....0 -
Nordic__Knights✭✭✭✭✭
✭Nordic__Knights wrote: »Nordic__Knights wrote: »Queues are long enough as it is.
You can ask in zone chat or guild chat if you are looking for a specific level group then queue for random.
I like sometimes running with low level or inexperienced players. Keeps things interesting. When I run with guild we all know what we are suppose to do and what everyone else in the group will do. Gets mundane after a while. THen I jump in with a group that has the potential to be a complete train wreck and everything is fresh again.
The reason Queues are long is because not a single ''decent'' player use the Dungeon Finder... As people said above, right now is totaly random, the only filter are Roles. So most of the decent players have to form a group manually. Try to Que for DLC Dungeons and it can take hours...
But I strongly believe that if we could get more filters and options in the Dungeon Finder, all those players that have been forming groups manually, eventually will start using the Dungeon Finder.
For example right now its literally impossible going for an achievement run using the Dungeon Finder. Maybe if we could get a filter or something to indicate that we are trying to Que for a ''Speed Run'' or a''No Dead Run'' or whatever, maybe we could get the chance to be match with people with our same Goals... Right now this is impossible because its simply too Random, as I said, Not a single ''decent'' player use the Dungeon Finder...
😆 😆 😆 ive completed EVERY dlc dungeon in game today and guess what ive done them all in gf even hm 😆 😆 😆 but myself i LOVE the added challenge of not knowing who I'm going to be playing with whether they're going to be good or not why is this because I trust my skills
You join the forums on February 2018 and you play on PS4, pretty much everything you said doesnt matter to me anyway... This is probably your first MMO...
I joined this *** show because if you dont like changes being made then this is where to voice it unfortunately and fyi i have 11 accounts on ps4 and 2 on pc been playing ES games since ARENA dropped 😆 😆 😆 try coming at me with better information then my start time here and platform as you hide out from normal dungeons because no ones there to carry you
Yup! I hit the nail with you, with my last comment hahahahahaha
You should go back to your PS4 and let the grownups discuss. This is your first MMO and you are playing it on a console...
Fyi i play mostly on ps4 because my 6 and 8 year old sons play eso with me and having 3 ps4s is lot cheaper then 3 pcs 😆 😆 😆 grownups dont cry that lower lvl players get added to normal group finder when its randomly picked whos going to be in the group they put on their big boy pants and push forward2 -
Heimpai✭✭✭✭✭Who cares about lvl...I joined a dungeon that didn't reset and got punished...haven't gone near pve since
Being punished for their flaws isn't something I'm into, at least you had a chance to actually do the dungeon0 -
Tsar_Gekkou✭✭✭✭✭
✭I just think the 15 minute timer is stupid because it allows other people to screw you over. For example, I joined a vet Maarselok recently and we had a fake tank. They obviously couldn't block anything and the group kept getting chewed up because nothing was getting taunted. I started a kick vote but the 2 dps probably felt like it was "toxic" or "elitist" to kick someone for any reason and voted no. I then asked them to kick me so I wouldn't have my time wasted and a minute later I was still there, so I left. 15 minutes down the crapper because Zos wants you to put up with whatever garbage can you get shoved into when you accept the queue. I wish there was a glitch to let me kick myself from these dungeons so I can get back to farming gear without having my time stolen.Edited by Tsar_Gekkou on December 26, 2019 9:30AMXbox NA healer main
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Nordic__Knights✭✭✭✭✭
✭Raiden_Gekkou wrote: »I just think the 15 minute timer is stupid because it allows other people to screw you over. For example, I joined a vet Maarselok recently and we had a fake tank. They obviously couldn't block anything and the group kept getting chewed up because nothing was getting taunted. I started a kick vote but the 2 dps probably felt like it was "toxic" or "elitist" to kick someone for any reason and voted no. I then asked them to kick me so I wouldn't have my time wasted and a minute later I was still there, so I left. 15 minutes down the crapper because Zos wants you to put up with whatever garbage can you get shoved into when you accept the queue. I wish there was a glitch to let me kick myself from these dungeons so I can get back to farming gear without having my time stolen.
Had you tried to explain to the tank what he needed to do? and let it be seen by the dps that you wasn't being toxic just that tank had no understanding of their job making it impossible to complete with him as the tank showing reason for wanting to kick them as i know most players would kick the weak link happens to be healer in most groups and not because they cant heal but because they cant dps being that most dlc dungeons are better off 3 dps 1 tank with everyone using self heals and tank buffs0 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Give me a solid argument about why should I play with low level players?
The answer is quite simple. You chose to queue solo for a random normal dungeon which is widely known to mean you could be grouped with lower level players. It seems obvious for most of us.
So if you want to avoid lower level players then queue for a vet dungeon. If you have requirements you want for your group above that which has been set by Zos then form your own group. It just seems odd to choose to queue for a totally random group that could include lower level players then come to the forums and complain about ones own choice.
So give me a solid argument about why not having more filters/options in the Dungeon Finder?....
If you had bothered to read the full post you quoted you would see I already did. Zos set the requirements after feedback from player and that as always if a player wanted a more specific group then are permitted to form their own group. If that is to much trouble for you then to bad. Deal with it because it is really sad to expect Zos to hold our hands through such small things.1
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