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GIVE sorcerer are identity. We are aoe death dealers. Let us counter gameplay the heal a buddy zergs
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phoenixkungfu✭✭✭✭I challenge the masses to list the class identity of each class and get back to me. You well see the facts0 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭phoenixkungfu wrote: »I dont care primarily about zergs in pvp. I honestly care about gameplay balance. And honestly the meta is be tanky, heal a buddy and WE THE TANKY CLASS HAVE ALL THE AOE DEATH SKILLS. No no no no no no no
It's time to update the original aoe class and give them the crown back. If 50 plus decision is to stand within 2 meters of 1 another my sorcerer identity should be able to aoe many. The Jack of all trade classes shouldn't be better then a sorcerer classes at aoe damage. Sorcerer identity is lightning based attacks. We deserve to be the best at aoe burst damage and solo gameplay. Let's go over identity in other classes
Templar top healer(breath of life) support
Nightblade top single target dps(cloak)dps
Dragon night top tank(class passive)tank
Warden, necromancer are the jack of all trades(each skill line reflects dps, healing, tanking)
This leaves sorcerer identity which should be aoe burst. Why because we are a lightning based class. Because over 90% of are skill is aoe. Sorcerer identity is the worst identity miss in the game. The jack of all trade class and support class are meta and doing better aoe burstl then the lightning based sorcerer class? Terrible IDENTITY MISS
ZOS pretty much ditched that class vision when, they did their last class identity sweep, in favor of "every class can play every role, but it might not be ideal."
So that might be your vision for how sorcs play, but ZOS doesn't share that.
Incidentally, that's how StamDK's got stone fist and StamSorcs got the Clanfear. ZOS had a vision for those classes and went with it.0 -
KillsAllElves✭✭✭✭✭Why is every post you make is all about making sorc an unstoppable killing machine with no counter? Sorc has his identity. It can still be played as a bomber, anti zerg build as you call it.
That is what happens when you have a class that has stupid dps in pvp, insane mobility and high defense along with pets that break sight for years.
Magic sorcerer has enabled this kind of self entitlement idea and the self aggrandizement follows. I can understand the frustration that many have expressed over the years about this class on the forum. Sorcerer has by far the best cclass identity out of every class available.
It comes down to wanting more damage while covering the main point with this identity notion to justify their position.2 -
phoenixkungfu✭✭✭✭KillsAllElves wrote: »Why is every post you make is all about making sorc an unstoppable killing machine with no counter? Sorc has his identity. It can still be played as a bomber, anti zerg build as you call it.
That is what happens when you have a class that has stupid dps in pvp, insane mobility and high defense along with pets that break sight for years.
Magic sorcerer has enabled this kind of self entitlement idea and the self aggrandizement follows. I can understand the frustration that many have expressed over the years about this class on the forum. Sorcerer has by far the best cclass identity out of every class available.
It comes down to wanting more damage while covering the main point with this identity notion to justify their position.
WAIT TIME OUT. Did you just say and quote "sorcerer has the best class identity" PLEASE EXPLAIN how over 90% of class skills have aoe damage in base or morph. 100% of burst moves that hit over 10k tool tip do. HOW THESE ABILITIES can be considered viable let alone the best at as class identity at burst aoe. NOW PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME how lightning is equal to aoe and storm calling is a clear representation of lightning and how sorcerer are not the aoe burst damage dealer of eso.
SORCERER IDENTITY IS MISSED. All SKILLS SHOULD EQUAL TARGET DAMAGE. SORCERER IDENTITY IS MISSING and is the worst representation of a element(lightning) in the gameEdited by phoenixkungfu on December 24, 2019 8:40PM1 -
KillsAllElves✭✭✭✭✭phoenixkungfu wrote: »KillsAllElves wrote: »Why is every post you make is all about making sorc an unstoppable killing machine with no counter? Sorc has his identity. It can still be played as a bomber, anti zerg build as you call it.
That is what happens when you have a class that has stupid dps in pvp, insane mobility and high defense along with pets that break sight for years.
Magic sorcerer has enabled this kind of self entitlement idea and the self aggrandizement follows. I can understand the frustration that many have expressed over the years about this class on the forum. Sorcerer has by far the best cclass identity out of every class available.
It comes down to wanting more damage while covering the main point with this identity notion to justify their position.
WAIT TIME OUT. Did you just say and quote "sorcerer has the best class identity" PLEASE EXPLAIN how over 90% of class skills have aoe damage in base or morph. 100% of burst moves that hit over 10k tool tip do. HOW THESE ABILITIES can be considered viable let alone the best at as class identity at burst aoe. NOW PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME how lightning is equal to aoe and storm calling is a clear representation of lightning and how sorcerer are not the aoe burst damage dealer of eso.
SORCERER IDENTITY IS MISSED. All SKILLS SHOULD EQUAL TARGET DAMAGE. SORCERER IDENTITY IS MISSING and is the worst representation of a element(lightning) in the game
Most of the Sorcerers abilities deal lightning damage, even the pets deal lightning damage. Class identity doesnt come from how much damage and or DPS the class can do, it comes from theme based ideas even the stam sorcerer utilizes hurricane which follows the theme of lightning and storms.
Nerfs or buffs to damage abilities doesnt reflect on class theme.
single target and AoE damage abilities is not identity, if the sorcerer was given wings similar to the DK then this would skew class identity.
Zos has missed the mark on Both necromancer and warden.
If youre calling for buffs to a certain Existing sorcerer ability thats one thing, but replacing abilities that doesnt go with the sorcerer lightning theme then it becomes a class identity issue.
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Rahar✭✭✭✭OP's argument has a weak premise. Class identities aren't really an objective thing unless we get an announcement from the devs on what their vision is. For example, my guess on the identity of magsorc would be single target burst; the AoE burst is more of a Warden thing.NeRf MaGsOrC3 -
zvavi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭phoenixkungfu wrote: »WAIT TIME OUT. Did you just say and quote "sorcerer has the best class identity" PLEASE EXPLAIN how over 90% of class skills have aoe damage in base or morph. 100% of burst moves that hit over 10k tool tip do. HOW THESE ABILITIES can be considered viable let alone the best at as class identity at burst aoe. NOW PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME how lightning is equal to aoe and storm calling is a clear representation of lightning and how sorcerer are not the aoe burst damage dealer of eso.
SORCERER IDENTITY IS MISSED. All SKILLS SHOULD EQUAL TARGET DAMAGE. SORCERER IDENTITY IS MISSING and is the worst representation of a element(lightning) in the game
Sorc has aoe identity. It also has burst identity. It never had aoe burst identity.
If you want burst aoe identity look at proximity detonation, the only aoe burst skill in game. Burst aoe is too unbalanced to make a whole class focus on it, therefore NO CLASS WILL EVER HAVE AOE BURST IDENTITY. No class will be ever be able to "burst down" an entire zerg just by existing.
"Magsorc, a highly mobile class that can nuke players from 100 to 0, due to the delayed burst that can be timed with the rest of your combo." <- this is the identity players have given to sorc because thats what it does best.
Nobody cares about the identity you have decided sorcs should have. They shouldn't. AoE burst is too strong for an identity. Stop daydreaming about 1vX that cant be countered. Stop asking for sorc to be too strong. Nor cc immunity during heavy attacks. Nor wall of elemenals double cast for buffing heavy attacks with vMA. Nor sets that will make heavy attacks too strong.
I mean. You totally have PvP l2p issue. I know it because i have it too. You know whats the difference? I accept that i am not suited for the fast paced combat in game and that i suck at it and try to do my best in PvP (if i pvp) with the tools i have, while you try slow it down while demanding your slow paced combat to be as effective as the fast paced variation.
PS. My main is a MaGiCkA sOrCeReREdited by zvavi on December 24, 2019 11:19PM5 -
phoenixkungfu✭✭✭✭Ok let's talk about the state of elements and what they represent in eso.
Fire damage equal single target damage over time.
Frost damage equal snare and damage mitigation.
Magic damage equals healing and burst.
Lightning damage equal aoe damage.
Classes that represent elements with a tie in the a passive and out right 100% element damage
Fire damage dk: passive combustion and world in ruin
Frost damage warden: passive piercing cold
Magic damage warden,templar: piercing cold, burning light
Lightning damage sorcerer: energized
As proven sorcerer are the representation of lightning damage.
Lightning damage is the representation of aoe damage
This is proven in passive as follows
Tri focus and ancient knowledge
Based on these facts. It is a 100% fact not opinion that lightning representation is aoe damage.
It is a 100% fact. Not opinion that sorcerer representation is lightning damage.
The opinion is not in the sorcerer identity. Which is aoe damage. The opinion is are sorcerer identity being represented.
It my opinion that sorcerer based on stated fact are not be represented as a lightning aoe damage deal and that because the aoe part of skill overall nerfed and is not the same as the target skills.
THIS INFORMATION BASED ON FACTS NOT OPINION. IS WHY SORCERER HAVE THE WORST IDENTITY IN ESO.
Please come with facts..
"I have spoken"1 -
zvavi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭phoenixkungfu wrote: »Ok let's talk about the state of elements and what they represent in eso.
Fire damage equal single target damage over time.
Frost damage equal snare and damage mitigation.
Magic damage equals healing and burst.
Lightning damage equal aoe damage.
Classes that represent elements with a tie in the a passive and out right 100% element damage
Fire damage dk: passive combustion and world in ruin
Frost damage warden: passive piercing cold
Magic damage warden,templar: piercing cold, burning light
Lightning damage sorcerer: energized
As proven sorcerer are the representation of lightning damage.
Lightning damage is the representation of aoe damage
This is proven in passive as follows
Tri focus and ancient knowledge
Based on these facts. It is a 100% fact not opinion that lightning representation is aoe damage.
It is a 100% fact. Not opinion that sorcerer representation is lightning damage.
The opinion is not in the sorcerer identity. Which is aoe damage. The opinion is are sorcerer identity being represented.
It my opinion that sorcerer based on stated fact are not be represented as a lightning aoe damage deal and that because the aoe part of skill overall nerfed and is not the same as the target skills.
THIS INFORMATION BASED ON FACTS NOT OPINION. IS WHY SORCERER HAVE THE WORST IDENTITY IN ESO.
Please come with facts..
"I have spoken"
You want facts? Here i will give you some.
1. Fire dmg was never connected to dots.
2. If we go by your logic and "tri focus passives" it means magdens are not allowed to deal dmg.
3. "Fire damage class dk" as you called it does have a fire damage passive world in ruins, that buffs AOE FIRE DMG which counters your whole argument.
4. lightning staff heavy attack with vMA back bar deals more single target than fire staff with vMA back bar.
5. Sorc's strongest single target damage ultimate is actually lightning damage...storm atronach.
Now then, considering all those points of things that work differently than your tri-force and ancient knowledge passives, we can scrap the idea that the game should be dictated by them.
Every class has things they do best. If you want sorc to be more aoe focused and be the best at it, it will be at the cost of it's mobility and burst (which are much, much more associated with the lightning theme).
Btw the idea that game should be dictated by the tri-force and ancient knowledge passives, is an opinion, not a fact.
PS. All sorcerer lightning abilities have aoe factor to them, therefore aoe dmg is represented on sorc.1 -
phoenixkungfu✭✭✭✭phoenixkungfu wrote: »Ok let's talk about the state of elements and what they represent in eso.
Fire damage equal single target damage over time.
Frost damage equal snare and damage mitigation.
Magic damage equals healing and burst.
Lightning damage equal aoe damage.
Classes that represent elements with a tie in the a passive and out right 100% element damage
Fire damage dk: passive combustion and world in ruin
Frost damage warden: passive piercing cold
Magic damage warden,templar: piercing cold, burning light
Lightning damage sorcerer: energized
As proven sorcerer are the representation of lightning damage.
Lightning damage is the representation of aoe damage
This is proven in passive as follows
Tri focus and ancient knowledge
Based on these facts. It is a 100% fact not opinion that lightning representation is aoe damage.
It is a 100% fact. Not opinion that sorcerer representation is lightning damage.
The opinion is not in the sorcerer identity. Which is aoe damage. The opinion is are sorcerer identity being represented.
It my opinion that sorcerer based on stated fact are not be represented as a lightning aoe damage deal and that because the aoe part of skill overall nerfed and is not the same as the target skills.
THIS INFORMATION BASED ON FACTS NOT OPINION. IS WHY SORCERER HAVE THE WORST IDENTITY IN ESO.
Please come with facts..
"I have spoken"
You want facts? Here i will give you some.
1. Fire dmg was never connected to dots.
2. If we go by your logic and "tri focus passives" it means magdens are not allowed to deal dmg.
3. "Fire damage class dk" as you called it does have a fire damage passive world in ruins, that buffs AOE FIRE DMG which counters your whole argument.
4. lightning staff heavy attack with vMA back bar deals more single target than fire staff with vMA back bar.
5. Sorc's strongest single target damage ultimate is actually lightning damage...storm atronach.
Now then, considering all those points of things that work differently than your tri-force and ancient knowledge passives, we can scrap the idea that the game should be dictated by them.
Every class has things they do best. If you want sorc to be more aoe focused and be the best at it, it will be at the cost of it's mobility and burst (which are much, much more associated with the lightning theme).
Btw the idea that game should be dictated by the tri-force and ancient knowledge passives, is an opinion, not a fact.
PS. All sorcerer lightning abilities have aoe factor to them, therefore aoe dmg is represented on sorc.
OMG YOUR LOGIC IS THE MOST WRONG FALSE STATEMENTS. I HAVE EVER READ! I will destroy you point by point
Point 1
Fire damage is connected to dot damage because the burning effect does more dot damage. FACT YOUR WRONG!
Point2
I'm trying to follow your logic. All elements damage is a representation of a theme. Lol dis has nothing to do with the amount of damage the element type does.
JUST WTF.
Point 3
Who said fire damage is a representation of aoe. Fire damage is a representation of single target dot. Lightning is a representation of aoe. The passive tri focus and ancient knowledge are game Facts. Your saying facts are not facts. YOUR WRONG!
Point 4
JUST WTF how is the relevant.
POINT 5
what are you smoking did you lose your train of thought. THE topic is on sorcerer identity as aoe. BUT YOUR STILL WRONG overload is sorcerer greatest single target or aoe ultimate dps. THIS IS A FACT
I guess your trying to be a cool kid by saying a bunch of FALSE statements. You have been proven wrong. THIS IS A FACT.1 -
Tolino✭✭✭✭✭@phoenixkungfu
You are realy funny! You are demanding a new class identity because of one passive and calls this facts!!! There is nothing in the class description or within the class that speaks for AOE.
Sorc Klassidentiy: singeltarget Burst, defensive with shields an Mobility!Magsorc: Tôlino (Wardless)
Magden: Wa-Uller
Stamsorc: Tolino Sturmfalke2 -
phoenixkungfu✭✭✭✭@phoenixkungfu
You are realy funny! You are demanding a new class identity because of one passive and calls this facts!!! There is nothing in the class description or within the class that speaks for AOE.
Sorc Klassidentiy: singeltarget Burst, defensive with shields an Mobility!
WRONG your opinion and facts are two different things. The large majority of sorcerer skills are aoe. In terms of numbers over80%. Fact. 100% of burst moves have aoe in base or morph.
FACTS
Your opinion of class sorcerer identity is single target. the issue is clear lack of aoe damage that isn't the same as target damage makes the sorcerer FEELS like single damage focus. But sorcerer fact is the majority of move are aoe damage. They just feel like single target. This is why sorcerer identity is lost the facts are not being highlighted. Only the feelings.0 -
Hotdog_23✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Aparently my comment to this thread was removed by the forum censors so all i will say is phoenixkungfu you are wrong and asking for buffs to your class.
AOE burst is not and should not be a thing in PVP period for any class as it would be to OP and make one class a God over the other 5 classes.0 -
Kadoin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Isn't mag sorc literally the class that has it all this patch in terms of pvp...? Hmm...2 -
Stellarvorous✭✭✭How long are yal going to let this guy troll you folks he has made countless threads about borderline nerfing key aspects of other classes and buffing his specific class and playstyle if he somehow isn't trolling then he is clearly high on some skooma.
Either way every time he makes a thread the masses rise up to protest his ideas then he comes up with some bat *** crazy spin off way to disagree with what you tell him then he just makes another thread hes trolling yal lol...
Zos might not have balancing the game mastered yet
*cough* but I don't think were at risk of OPs suggestions coming true or even being considered so if guy wants to farm his forum stars making requests to the "ESO gods" just let em go and kill his ass when he steps into pvp. 
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zvavi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭... u what mate?
1. Burning effect is indeed a dot. but that's like saying that concussion and chill are direct damage therefore lightning and frost themes are direct damage focused... You cant decide that an element is a whole theme just by 1 passive, if it was true than fire was indeed aoe focused, thanks for world in ruins passive.
2. Uh scrap this one, i was trying to follow your logic, maybe i dint understand you till the end.
3. World in ruins "Increases the damage of your Flame area of effect abilities by 6%. Decreases the cost of your Stamina Poison abilities by 25%." Thats what the passive says... I didnt say fire is representing aoe, i said that this passive counters your argument that fire should represent ONLY single target.
4. ? What do you mean how is this relevant? You want lightning to be more aoe focused, then first nerf lightning heavy attacks to deal less single target damage, you want balance, no?
5. If overload was best single target ultimate people would run it in trials. Guess what they run in trials? Atro. And thats A FACT. Unlike your claim that overload is best single target dmg.
Anyway, since it doesn't look like you even know what you are talking about, and that u dont even know what passives from other classes actually do, and wont even listen when you are being explained about other classes passives, i see no reason to talk to you, since all you know is to
capslock things, ignore facts, claim your opinions are facts, and throwing a tantrum.0 -
The Uninvited✭✭✭✭✭
✭phoenixkungfu wrote: »I dont care primarily about zergs in pvp. I honestly care about gameplay balance. And honestly the meta is be tanky, heal a buddy and WE THE TANKY CLASS HAVE ALL THE AOE DEATH SKILLS. No no no no no no no
It's time to update the original aoe class and give them the crown back. If 50 plus decision is to stand within 2 meters of 1 another my sorcerer identity should be able to aoe many. The Jack of all trade classes shouldn't be better then a sorcerer classes at aoe damage. Sorcerer identity is lightning based attacks. We deserve to be the best at aoe burst damage and solo gameplay. Let's go over identity in other classes
Templar top healer(breath of life) support
Nightblade top single target dps(cloak)dps
Dragon night top tank(class passive)tank
Warden, necromancer are the jack of all trades(each skill line reflects dps, healing, tanking)
This leaves sorcerer identity which should be aoe burst. Why because we are a lightning based class. Because over 90% of are skill is aoe. Sorcerer identity is the worst identity miss in the game. The jack of all trade class and support class are meta and doing better aoe burstl then the lightning based sorcerer class? Terrible IDENTITY MISS
I guess it's clear what you really want...
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phoenixkungfu✭✭✭✭All it takes is 1 to make a difference. No matter how small. I c... u what mate?
1. Burning effect is indeed a dot. but that's like saying that concussion and chill are direct damage therefore lightning and frost themes are direct damage focused... You cant decide that an element is a whole theme just by 1 passive, if it was true than fire was indeed aoe focused, thanks for world in ruins passive.
2. Uh scrap this one, i was trying to follow your logic, maybe i dint understand you till the end.
3. World in ruins "Increases the damage of your Flame area of effect abilities by 6%. Decreases the cost of your Stamina Poison abilities by 25%." Thats what the passive says... I didnt say fire is representing aoe, i said that this passive counters your argument that fire should represent ONLY single target.
4. ? What do you mean how is this relevant? You want lightning to be more aoe focused, then first nerf lightning heavy attacks to deal less single target damage, you want balance, no?
5. If overload was best single target ultimate people would run it in trials. Guess what they run in trials? Atro. And thats A FACT. Unlike your claim that overload is best single target dmg.
Anyway, since it doesn't look like you even know what you are talking about, and that u dont even know what passives from other classes actually do, and wont even listen when you are being explained about other classes passives, i see no reason to talk to you, since all you know is to
capslock things, ignore facts, claim your opinions are facts, and throwing a tantrum.
This is my last time proven you WRONG.
"I HAVE SPOKEN"
POINT 1
you said fire damage is not representation of a single target dot. If fire damage creates the burning effect. Which is a dot you are WRONG. Just like if concussion leads to off balance. Which leads to higher aoe heavy attack. Or a lightning staff doing more aoe damage vs a fire staff doing more single target damage. Each element effect poison, ect. Has a theme this is a fact. Your logic of 1 case doesn't make a case base on fact. Don't make it opinion because ITS A FACT. Retired to make me go over what's fact and opinion. YOUR WRONG
"I HAVE SPOKEN"
POINT 2
your so off topic your rebuttal even is lost. SMH
POINT 3
ANY ELEMENT TYPE CAN DO AOE DAMAGE. But that wasn't the point my original statement
"Fire damage dk: passive combustion and world in ruin"
Your crazy off topic rant into
"Fire damage class dk" as you called it does have a fire damage passive world in ruins, that buffs AOE FIRE DMG which counters your whole argument."
My original post was on topic of element type damage being represented by a class.
Lightning to sorcerer
Dk to fire
Warden to ice
And somehow your attention and depression attempts to make me look silly is leading to you just saying FALSE statements. Sad YOUR WRONG
POINT 4
IS A REFLECTION OF YOU. Your fail attempts to have logic in 1 case doesn't make a case base on fact. Don't make it opinion because ITS A FACT. 1 and only 1 example is all it takes to make a fact. You can't change a fact
Point 5
YOUR DOING IT AGAIN. Your attempt to prove me wrong at any cost. Is a reflection of you. You will say or SINGLE OUT and miss lead. Overload is the best sorc ultimate DPS or damage per second. Go side be side and compare the 2. Overload vs atro. Overload gool tip is higher
"I HAVE SPOKEN"
The goal of this post is not about you. Mainly because there is alot of forum fill with your type. The single out a statement and go with it off topic. The topic is
((((GIVE sorcerer are identity. We are aoe death dealers. Let us counter gameplay the heal a buddy zergs))))
Also read a post or you might end up looking like a butt.
"I have SPOKEN "0 -
phoenixkungfu✭✭✭✭phoenixkungfu wrote: »Ok let's talk about the state of elements and what they represent in eso.
Fire damage equal single target damage over time.
Frost damage equal snare and damage mitigation.
Magic damage equals healing and burst.
Lightning damage equal aoe damage.
Classes that represent elements with a tie in the a passive and out right 100% element damage
Fire damage dk: passive combustion and world in ruin
Frost damage warden: passive piercing cold
Magic damage warden,templar: piercing cold, burning light
Lightning damage sorcerer: energized
As proven sorcerer are the representation of lightning damage.
Lightning damage is the representation of aoe damage
This is proven in passive as follows
Tri focus and ancient knowledge
Based on these facts. It is a 100% fact not opinion that lightning representation is aoe damage.
It is a 100% fact. Not opinion that sorcerer representation is lightning damage.
The opinion is not in the sorcerer identity. Which is aoe damage. The opinion is are sorcerer identity being represented.
It my opinion that sorcerer based on stated fact are not be represented as a lightning aoe damage deal and that because the aoe part of skill overall nerfed and is not the same as the target skills.
THIS INFORMATION BASED ON FACTS NOT OPINION. IS WHY SORCERER HAVE THE WORST IDENTITY IN ESO.
Please come with facts..
"I have spoken"
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zvavi✭✭✭✭✭
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storm atro tooltip, 1 insta tick + 23 dot ticks, total dmg by tooltip 116,619.
overload is instead of light attacks, quick testing
shows that it actually light attacks dmg goes up and the overload tooltip actually buffs light attacks only by 56.3% of tooltip. 170 ultimate is 8 light attacks in overload (which will use 168 ultimate, but also stop ult regen for the time which makes it actually cost 192)
56% of 10687 and multiply by 8 is 48,216.
storm atro deals almost x2.5 the damage of overload. tested.
now lets talk heavy attacks. you said that fire heavy deals more single target damage. i said that with vMA it doesnt. fire staff crit:
lightning staff components that didnt all crit:
as you see lightning dealt more damage. even without all components hitting a crit.
27k vs 34k.
now lets talk off balance. u said off balance buffs aoe damage component of lightning heavy attack therefore is aoe buff. it also buffs the heal u get from resto staff heavy, it doesnt mean it buffs heals.
your logical jumps are always narrow minded, and when someone uses the SAME LOGIC you call them out saying it is not relevant and that it doesnt make any sense (because it doesnt, we actually agree on it).
in my language there is a saying "if 3 people tell you that you are drunk, you are drunk" and as you saw, NOBODY agrees with you and everyone tells you your illogical jumps are illogical. which probably indicate, that they are illogical.3 -
Ryanoxx✭✭✭Sorcerers identity has nothing to do with aoe, its identity is build around shields and fast repositioning through streak or ball of lightning. Sorcerers have plenty of single target burst and thats what fits their identity, not aoe.MagDk
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phoenixkungfu✭✭✭✭
storm atro tooltip, 1 insta tick + 23 dot ticks, total dmg by tooltip 116,619.
overload is instead of light attacks, quick testing
shows that it actually light attacks dmg goes up and the overload tooltip actually buffs light attacks only by 56.3% of tooltip. 170 ultimate is 8 light attacks in overload (which will use 168 ultimate, but also stop ult regen for the time which makes it actually cost 192)
56% of 10687 and multiply by 8 is 48,216.
storm atro deals almost x2.5 the damage of overload. tested.
now lets talk heavy attacks. you said that fire heavy deals more single target damage. i said that with vMA it doesnt. fire staff crit:
lightning staff components that didnt all crit:
as you see lightning dealt more damage. even without all components hitting a crit.
27k vs 34k.
now lets talk off balance. u said off balance buffs aoe damage component of lightning heavy attack therefore is aoe buff. it also buffs the heal u get from resto staff heavy, it doesnt mean it buffs heals.
your logical jumps are always narrow minded, and when someone uses the SAME LOGIC you call them out saying it is not relevant and that it doesnt make any sense (because it doesnt, we actually agree on it).
in my language there is a saying "if 3 people tell you that you are drunk, you are drunk" and as you saw, NOBODY agrees with you and everyone tells you your illogical jumps are illogical. which probably indicate, that they are illogical.
WRONG, this is not pve post this is a pvp post. Your looking at the damage over time or dot. I'm looking at the dps or burst. The dps of overload or damage of a 1 overload. Is greater then dot damage of 1 tic of atro. FACT END OF STORY. this is true from most cases in eso dot damage is higher then spamable damage. But spamable damage is higher dps then dot damage. The rest of your crazy off topic rant is so ridiculous. Im not even going to respond.
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phoenixkungfu✭✭✭✭Sorcerers identity has nothing to do with aoe, its identity is build around shields and fast repositioning through streak or ball of lightning. Sorcerers have plenty of single target burst and thats what fits their identity, not aoe.
SMH, YOUR WRONG. SORCERER DO NOT HAVE PLENTY OF SINGLE TARGET ABILITIES. they have a few. The issue is the meta vs the design. The meta has become focus single target, deleted the daedric summoning line. This is not the design of the sorcerer. It's clear to see why.
LETS LIST ALL SKILL THAT HAVE A AOE AT BASE OR MORPH.
Absorption field
Crystal blast
Shattering prison
Summon charged atronach
Volatile familiar
Daedric curse
Overload
Mage fury
Lightning form
Lightning splash
Streak
NOW LETS LOOK AT MOVES THAT DO NOT HAVE AOE DAMAGE IN (BASE OR MORPH) that does damage
Summon winged twilight
Daedric mines( this honestly should do aoe damage but it doesn't)
OUT OF 13 MOVES 11 has aoe damage in base or morph. THATS 85%
SO WHY THEN DOES IT FEEL LIKE SORC MOVE NOT DO AOE DAMAGE?
simple moves that doesaoe damage is different then the target. Let's list moves
Curse 1414 target, 649 nearby
Mage fury 423 target, if target falls below 20% 1507 to target, 328 nearby
These key skill not doing the same as target is why sorcerer feel like sorcerer damage is base on single target damage.
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Ryanoxx✭✭✭phoenixkungfu wrote: »Sorcerers identity has nothing to do with aoe, its identity is build around shields and fast repositioning through streak or ball of lightning. Sorcerers have plenty of single target burst and thats what fits their identity, not aoe.
SMH, YOUR WRONG. SORCERER DO NOT HAVE PLENTY OF SINGLE TARGET ABILITIES. they have a few. The issue is the meta vs the design. The meta has become focus single target, deleted the daedric summoning line. This is not the design of the sorcerer. It's clear to see why.
LETS LIST ALL SKILL THAT HAVE A AOE AT BASE OR MORPH.
Absorption field
Crystal blast
Shattering prison
Summon charged atronach
Volatile familiar
Daedric curse
Overload
Mage fury
Lightning form
Lightning splash
Streak
NOW LETS LOOK AT MOVES THAT DO NOT HAVE AOE DAMAGE IN (BASE OR MORPH) that does damage
Summon winged twilight
Daedric mines( this honestly should do aoe damage but it doesn't)
OUT OF 13 MOVES 11 has aoe damage in base or morph. THATS 85%
SO WHY THEN DOES IT FEEL LIKE SORC MOVE NOT DO AOE DAMAGE?
simple moves that doesaoe damage is different then the target. Let's list moves
Curse 1414 target, 649 nearby
Mage fury 423 target, if target falls below 20% 1507 to target, 328 nearby
These key skill not doing the same as target is why sorcerer feel like sorcerer damage is base on single target damage.
85% says otherwise
Daedric Curse and Fury aren't aoe, they just have a secondary effect. Thats doesn't make them aoe otherwise their damage would be reduced by Evasion by 25%. You have to differentiate between primary damage skills and crowd controle and grounded dots and then you end up with basically no aoe and mostely single target focused damage. Other classes are much more aoe based than Sorcerer and I'm very happy with my Sorc having single target burst.MagDk
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Zelos✭✭✭✭✭What other identity do sorcs need? You have the best burst in the game, the best defense in the game, an auto execute with aoe damage, a curse that only people running some purge can counterplay against. A reverse execute passive, a defense that contains sword and shield, a teleporting pet that cant be damaged and has a burst heal better then a templar, 20k in combined wards which result in 20k effective health. And Ball of lighting.... which teleports you, grant's snare immunity and a snare removal, unlockable and undodgeable CC, and has the added benefit of being able to absorb all projectiles??? All that and it costs like 2k magicka... mean while I'll try to cloak and it instantly breaks 4k magicka... wasted.
A stam sorc with troll king is pretty much unkillable with ball of lightning being the fastest in the game and a pretty good burst. I'm sorry I fail to see what other identity a sorcerer needs... it can dps heal and tank better then most other classes at this point...Aeonhack - AD Stamina Nightblade - 5 Star General
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IronWooshu✭✭✭✭✭
✭I am guessing OP wants Sorcs to be best single target as well as aoe?
Sorcs have been meta and are currently meta yet they arent enough for you? This thread shows why we need more "Nerf Sorc Threads' to put these entitled Sorc mains in their greedy place.Edited by IronWooshu on December 26, 2019 3:38PM2 -
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✭✭@phoenixkungfu the solution is quite simple. increase Sorc AoE Dmg a 50% but decrease Sorc Single Target dmg a 50%... So sorcs are countered by Major Evasion like templars
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thadjarvis✭✭✭✭@phoenixkungfu
Makes sense to want to play a ranged mag class that specializes in AOE/AOE burst. We have two currently though:
Ranged AOE/AOE Burst: Wardens and Necros
Ranged ST Burst/Execute: Sorc and NB
Melee DoT: DK
If Sorc's became the best AOE bursters they'd have to loose some ST prowess. What would you propose for Warden/Necro as AOE/AOE burst dominance is what they are (recall they were bottom barrel ST until recently). We'd also only have one, NB, focused option for ST burst left. I get what your saying but the options among mag classes is pretty nice.
How about for when you want to focus on AOE burst play a magden/magcro and keep your Sorc build's strength in ST?
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