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GIVE sorcerer are identity. We are aoe death dealers. Let us counter gameplay the heal a buddy zergs
phoenixkungfu
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Let's talk sorcerer. Are identity as the aoe burst class is but a shell of are true self. Nerf overload heavy attack range? All most all of are aoe damage abilities dont hit for the same damage as the target? Smh, ARE IDENTITY IS AOE BURST DAMAGE. why do all key moves not do the same damage as it do to the target? Let's go over the list of key aoe burst moves:
Curse damage 1414 target, 649 nearby enemies
Mage fury damage 1507 target 328 nearby enemies
Overload heavy attack 6meter?
Are key skills of sorcerer identity "AOE BURST" is under performing.
WHY because all aoe skills should hit for the same damage.
AS A RESULT in pvp its meta to stand by a buddy in a big as possible group and passively heal each other. NO, GIVE SORCERER ARE IDENTITY BACK. And we will balance the force of stand in group and heal a buddy gameplay. Which will balance few against many.
Edited by phoenixkungfu on December 24, 2019 9:10AM Curse damage 1414 target, 649 nearby enemies
Mage fury damage 1507 target 328 nearby enemies
Overload heavy attack 6meter?
Are key skills of sorcerer identity "AOE BURST" is under performing.
WHY because all aoe skills should hit for the same damage.
AS A RESULT in pvp its meta to stand by a buddy in a big as possible group and passively heal each other. NO, GIVE SORCERER ARE IDENTITY BACK. And we will balance the force of stand in group and heal a buddy gameplay. Which will balance few against many.
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Curse, deals 45% damage to nearby players.
Wrath, deals 22% damage to nearby players.
Frags, deals 0% damage to nearby players.
And you think Sorc, magsorc specifically, is an AoE class? [snip]
Edit for bait.Edited by ZOS_GregoryV on December 24, 2019 7:42PM8 -
zvavi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Why is every post you make is all about making sorc an unstoppable killing machine with no counter? Sorc has his identity. It can still be played as a bomber, anti zerg build as you call it.11 -
The Uninvited✭✭✭✭✭
✭Okay, so you want other classes nerfed on their defining skills and you want yours buffed? I guess your objective is becoming clearer every day now.
Oh, L2P/git gud and all that of course.Pandora's Promise (rip) | LND | Pactriotic | IKnowWhatUDidLastWinter's | The Uninvited |
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phoenixkungfu✭✭✭✭Sorcerer identity is aoe burst...not just single target. Just look at the enormous aoe burst class skills. The design is there the numbers and execution of sorcerer identity is not. Sorcerer is by far has the worst identity lost in the game.0
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✭✭phoenixkungfu wrote: »Sorcerer identity is aoe burst...not just single target. Just look at the enormous aoe burst class skills. The design is there the numbers and execution of sorcerer identity is not. Sorcerer is by far has the worst identity lost in the game.
AoE burst, like what? The only serious AoE burst Sorc had was Overload heavy attacks, and that was with a super specific build, utilising broken mechanics due to the ticks landing so close together (you could get hit at least twice in a single second).phoenixkungfu wrote: »Lol what is sorcerer identity. I love to hear this
Magsorc, a highly mobile class that can nuke players from 100 to 0, due to the delayed burst that can be timed with the rest of your combo.
Stamsorc, a highly mobile class that can dish out decent AoE pressure, and support their weapon's kit with the mobility and multiple damage amps.9 -
phoenixkungfu✭✭✭✭phoenixkungfu wrote: »Sorcerer identity is aoe burst...not just single target. Just look at the enormous aoe burst class skills. The design is there the numbers and execution of sorcerer identity is not. Sorcerer is by far has the worst identity lost in the game.
AoE burst, like what? The only serious AoE burst Sorc had was Overload heavy attacks, and that was with a super specific build, utilising broken mechanics due to the ticks landing so close together (you could get hit at least twice in a single second).phoenixkungfu wrote: »Lol what is sorcerer identity. I love to hear this
Magsorc, a highly mobile class that can nuke players from 100 to 0, due to the delayed burst that can be timed with the rest of your combo.
Stamsorc, a highly mobile class that can dish out decent AoE pressure, and support their weapon's kit with the mobility and multiple damage amps.
WRONG, in terms of offense, sorcerer are magic dps first. 100% of sorcerer skills has a aoe morph or nature aoe counter part. Years of nerf has changed this fact. Sorcerer weak is no spamable as class balance. This is sorcerer identity aoe burst. The morph and design is apart of the game. The damage of aoe part of skill simply doesn't match to true theme of sorcerer. It's by far THE WORST IDENTITY MISS IN THE GAMEEdited by phoenixkungfu on December 24, 2019 10:07AM0 -
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✭✭phoenixkungfu wrote: »phoenixkungfu wrote: »Sorcerer identity is aoe burst...not just single target. Just look at the enormous aoe burst class skills. The design is there the numbers and execution of sorcerer identity is not. Sorcerer is by far has the worst identity lost in the game.
AoE burst, like what? The only serious AoE burst Sorc had was Overload heavy attacks, and that was with a super specific build, utilising broken mechanics due to the ticks landing so close together (you could get hit at least twice in a single second).phoenixkungfu wrote: »Lol what is sorcerer identity. I love to hear this
Magsorc, a highly mobile class that can nuke players from 100 to 0, due to the delayed burst that can be timed with the rest of your combo.
Stamsorc, a highly mobile class that can dish out decent AoE pressure, and support their weapon's kit with the mobility and multiple damage amps.
WRONG, in terms of offense, sorcerer are magic dps first. 100% of sorcerer skills has a aoe morph or nature aoe counter part. Years of nerf has changed this fact. Sorcerer weak is no spamable as class balance. This is sorcerer identity aoe burst. The morph and design is apart of the game. The damage of aoe part of skill simply doesn't match to true theme of sorcerer. It's by far THE WORST IDENTITY MISS IN THE GAME
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daim✭✭✭✭✭phoenixkungfu wrote: »..by far THE WORST IDENTITY MISS IN THE GAME
Oh no! Did you notice! Youre mixing sorcs to nightblades!""I am that which grips the heart in fright, hearkens night and silences the light." It was written on my sword, long…long ago." ―Ajunta Pall
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✭✭✭✭✭phoenixkungfu wrote: »Sorcerer identity is aoe burst...not just single target. Just look at the enormous aoe burst class skills. The design is there the numbers and execution of sorcerer identity is not. Sorcerer is by far has the worst identity lost in the game.
I rolled a sorc on that fateful March day in 2014 and have played that sorc for most of the time I have been in ESO. I have never ever looked at it as having such an identity. It has skills that do some AoE but it is far from AoE burst damage.8 -
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✭✭phoenixkungfu wrote: »Let's talk sorcerer. Are identity as the aoe burst class is but a shell of are true self. Nerf overload heavy attack range? All most all of are aoe damage abilities dont hit for the same damage as the target? Smh, ARE IDENTITY IS AOE BURST DAMAGE. why do all key moves not do the same damage as it do to the target? Let's go over the list of key aoe burst moves:
Curse damage 1414 target, 649 nearby enemies
Mage fury damage 1507 target 328 nearby enemies
Overload heavy attack 6meter?
Are key skills of sorcerer identity "AOE BURST" is under performing.
WHY because all aoe skills should hit for the same damage.
AS A RESULT in pvp its meta to stand by a buddy in a big as possible group and passively heal each other. NO, GIVE SORCERER ARE IDENTITY BACK. And we will balance the force of stand in group and heal a buddy gameplay. Which will balance few against many.
simple counter to the group heal, pressure,pressure and more pressure....force the players to use their resources faster chase them down stun then send in the Bomber game over0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Alienoutlaw wrote: »phoenixkungfu wrote: »Let's talk sorcerer. Are identity as the aoe burst class is but a shell of are true self. Nerf overload heavy attack range? All most all of are aoe damage abilities dont hit for the same damage as the target? Smh, ARE IDENTITY IS AOE BURST DAMAGE. why do all key moves not do the same damage as it do to the target? Let's go over the list of key aoe burst moves:
Curse damage 1414 target, 649 nearby enemies
Mage fury damage 1507 target 328 nearby enemies
Overload heavy attack 6meter?
Are key skills of sorcerer identity "AOE BURST" is under performing.
WHY because all aoe skills should hit for the same damage.
AS A RESULT in pvp its meta to stand by a buddy in a big as possible group and passively heal each other. NO, GIVE SORCERER ARE IDENTITY BACK. And we will balance the force of stand in group and heal a buddy gameplay. Which will balance few against many.
simple counter to the group heal, pressure,pressure and more pressure....force the players to use their resources faster chase them down stun then send in the Bomber game over
So you are suggesting BURST AOE?
A bomber is burst AoE. BTW, I did just realized any class can have burst AoE with Prox Det or even the other morph. That is bust AoE.Edited by idk on December 24, 2019 10:47AM2 -
phoenixkungfu✭✭✭✭Once again SORCERER HAS 100% of all abilities morph or base doing aoe damage. They are the BURST AOE CLASS. No one thinks of them like that because there IDENTITY IS LOST. Every class has an identity focus buff or highlighted EXCEPT SORCERER.1
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phoenixkungfu✭✭✭✭Alienoutlaw wrote: »phoenixkungfu wrote: »Let's talk sorcerer. Are identity as the aoe burst class is but a shell of are true self. Nerf overload heavy attack range? All most all of are aoe damage abilities dont hit for the same damage as the target? Smh, ARE IDENTITY IS AOE BURST DAMAGE. why do all key moves not do the same damage as it do to the target? Let's go over the list of key aoe burst moves:
Curse damage 1414 target, 649 nearby enemies
Mage fury damage 1507 target 328 nearby enemies
Overload heavy attack 6meter?
Are key skills of sorcerer identity "AOE BURST" is under performing.
WHY because all aoe skills should hit for the same damage.
AS A RESULT in pvp its meta to stand by a buddy in a big as possible group and passively heal each other. NO, GIVE SORCERER ARE IDENTITY BACK. And we will balance the force of stand in group and heal a buddy gameplay. Which will balance few against many.
simple counter to the group heal, pressure,pressure and more pressure....force the players to use their resources faster chase them down stun then send in the Bomber game over
So you are suggesting BURST AOE?
I'm suggesting identity and representation OF LIGHTNING. When I think of lightning I think of aoe damage. When I think of sorcerer I think of magic burst damage. This identity is horribly miss with only 1 class in my opinion and that is sorcerer.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭phoenixkungfu wrote: »Once again SORCERER HAS 100% of all abilities morph or base doing aoe damage. They are the BURST AOE CLASS. No one thinks of them like that because there IDENTITY IS LOST. Every class has an identity focus buff or highlighted EXCEPT SORCERER.
I am beginning to think you do not understand what burst damage is. The skills you are talking about only do a little AoE damage and that is essentially how it has been since day one. That is hardly burst.
No one, except you, things of Sorcs like that because they are not like that.4 -
phoenixkungfu✭✭✭✭Sorcerer are lightning based magic damage class.
Lightning in eso equals aoe damage.
Sorcerer in all of fiction equal magic damage.
SO WHY ISN'T MY SORCERER IDENTITY AOE BURST?
100% of sorcerer burst abilities has at base or a morph that does aoe damage. The issue is that aoe damage doesn't damage for the amount of the target. Which is UNDER PERFORMING by alot and is THE WORST IDENTITY MISS IN THE GAME.0 -
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✭I mean sorc has AoE on almost all of their attacks. But that doesn't mean that they need any more burst. I do like how they are implying that crystal blast is decent though when they make the claim that all of sorc's burst has an aoe morph though.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭phoenixkungfu wrote: »Sorcerer are lightning based magic damage class.
Lightning in eso equals aoe damage.
Sorcerer in all of fiction equal magic damage.
SO WHY ISN'T MY SORCERER IDENTITY AOE BURST?
100% of sorcerer burst abilities has at base or a morph that does aoe damage. The issue is that aoe damage doesn't damage for the amount of the target. Which is UNDER PERFORMING by alot and is THE WORST IDENTITY MISS IN THE GAME.
You seem to be a little confused. Sorcs identity lies in lightning and maybe pets. Not in any sort of burst AoE that is very much a secondary part of some skills.
You are looking for it to be something it aint and should not be. It really is that simple.2 -
phoenixkungfu✭✭✭✭Well let's go over all skills that has 2 sets of values. First being to the target the other being to others.
Puncturing strikes
298 to closet target, 114 to others
That's it. This is the only move besides sorcerer that has to different values
Curse
14114 target, 649 nearby enemies,
Mage fury
1507 target, 358 nearby enemies.
As you can see sorcerer are clearly meant to be aoe burst the value just are not equal to target damage. Sorcerer class is pound for pound the most aoe potential in the game.0 -
phoenixkungfu✭✭✭✭phoenixkungfu wrote: »Sorcerer are lightning based magic damage class.
Lightning in eso equals aoe damage.
Sorcerer in all of fiction equal magic damage.
SO WHY ISN'T MY SORCERER IDENTITY AOE BURST?
100% of sorcerer burst abilities has at base or a morph that does aoe damage. The issue is that aoe damage doesn't damage for the amount of the target. Which is UNDER PERFORMING by alot and is THE WORST IDENTITY MISS IN THE GAME.
You seem to be a little confused. Sorcs identity lies in lightning and maybe pets. Not in any sort of burst AoE that is very much a secondary part of some skills.
You are looking for it to be something it aint and should not be. It really is that simple.
Smh no. Sorcerer key skills are magic burst.
Curse and frag are magic damage. Every skill but 2 wing twilight and rune cage. Has in base or morph aoe damage element. Making sorcerer have the most aoe potential in the game. Gameplay simply doesn't FEEL THAT WAY because the value doesn't equal the target value on aoe portion of abilities. Thus making the sorcerer identity under performing.0 -
phoenixkungfu✭✭✭✭If you dont see a issue then it's clear to see the issue. Years upon years of nerf sorcerer has made the magic damage dealing class lackluster. ESPECIALLY in group play in pvp. There was a time when sorcerer had no comparison to and magic class because sorcerer was the only true magic damage dealing class. As the game evolved new classes was added. New classes identity is aoe burst theme. Well I have a issue with that. I have a issue with lore of sorcerer identity as lightning based being nerf interms of aoe and not being buff with evolving meta. SORCERER SHOULD BE KING OF AOE MAGIC lightning BURST. Its lore and gameplay mechanics that lightning attack is aoe damage. It's also lore and basic fact that sorcerer represent magic damage.Edited by phoenixkungfu on December 24, 2019 12:31PM0
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✭✭✭✭✭phoenixkungfu wrote: »phoenixkungfu wrote: »Sorcerer are lightning based magic damage class.
Lightning in eso equals aoe damage.
Sorcerer in all of fiction equal magic damage.
SO WHY ISN'T MY SORCERER IDENTITY AOE BURST?
100% of sorcerer burst abilities has at base or a morph that does aoe damage. The issue is that aoe damage doesn't damage for the amount of the target. Which is UNDER PERFORMING by alot and is THE WORST IDENTITY MISS IN THE GAME.
You seem to be a little confused. Sorcs identity lies in lightning and maybe pets. Not in any sort of burst AoE that is very much a secondary part of some skills.
You are looking for it to be something it aint and should not be. It really is that simple.
Smh no. Sorcerer key skills are magic burst.
Curse and frag are magic damage. Every skill but 2 wing twilight and rune cage. Has in base or morph aoe damage element. Making sorcerer have the most aoe potential in the game. Gameplay simply doesn't FEEL THAT WAY because the value doesn't equal the target value on aoe portion of abilities. Thus making the sorcerer identity under performing.
You are contradicting yourself. You are saying it had AoE burst but also saying it does not feel that way.
However, it seems you are the only one that thinks the sorc has an identity as an AoE burst damage dealer which would literally mean the sorc does not have that identity.1 -
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That is actually the case... but only in PvE. Although now somewhat less so, after the Lightning Flood nerfs.And you think Sorc, magsorc specifically, is an AoE class? [snip]
Edit for bait.
In PvP, though? Yeah, [snip]
Edit for bait.Edited by ZOS_GregoryV on December 24, 2019 7:43PM2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭You know what really makes organized groups king in PVP? Teamwork.
That's always been the case. Large scale combat in Cyrodiil was originally designed for groups of 8 to 24 players, and it still highly favors groups that work together and have good teamwork. Teamwork is what allows the organized raids to dominate Cyrodiil every single update no matter what skills or classes ZOS changes or nerfs.
Within those groups, supported by teamwork, Sorcs are monsters. Well, TBH any class can become a monster with a supportive group, but Sorcs have some obvious group utility in their toolkit, like Suppression Field.
On their own, trying to attack into an organized group? No class does particularly well, save the bomber playstyle, because ZOS has a hate for 1vX ever since the pre-Morrowind Blazeplar. Which, uh, ZOS utterly destroyed as a playstyle.
So, OP, I really don't think that ZOS is going to make Sorc an AOE 1vX king able to singlehandedly burst down organized raids like you want them to. They killed the last playstyle to do so when it was the Blazplar.
And have you considered that if your sorc gets buffed into an AOE 1vX king that the organized raids will promptly use that same build to dominate everyone else even more? Every single "raidkiller" skill or build inevitably gets co-opted by those same raids into their own team. So your AOE 1vX king sorc will be fighting that same build...except the other guy is going to backed up by the healers and other players on his team. (That's why "Buff me" pleas against organized raids wind up a neverending cycle.)
So I guess what I should be saying is "Yeah, buff sorc, ZOS! Make those organized raids even stronger! It'll be fun!" Alternatively, if you really want to fight organized groups effectively, go get a team of your own.
TLDR: the universal counter gameplay to an organized raid isn't a god-like solo sorc. Its better teamwork, or failing that, overwhelming numbers.Edited by VaranisArano on December 24, 2019 3:59PM3 -
phoenixkungfu✭✭✭✭I dont care primarily about zergs in pvp. I honestly care about gameplay balance. And honestly the meta is be tanky, heal a buddy and WE THE TANKY CLASS HAVE ALL THE AOE DEATH SKILLS. No no no no no no no
It's time to update the original aoe class and give them the crown back. If 50 plus decision is to stand within 2 meters of 1 another my sorcerer identity should be able to aoe many. The Jack of all trade classes shouldn't be better then a sorcerer classes at aoe damage. Sorcerer identity is lightning based attacks. We deserve to be the best at aoe burst damage and solo gameplay. Let's go over identity in other classes
Templar top healer(breath of life) support
Nightblade top single target dps(cloak)dps
Dragon night top tank(class passive)tank
Warden, necromancer are the jack of all trades(each skill line reflects dps, healing, tanking)
This leaves sorcerer identity which should be aoe burst. Why because we are a lightning based class. Because over 90% of are skill is aoe. Sorcerer identity is the worst identity miss in the game. The jack of all trade class and support class are meta and doing better aoe burstl then the lightning based sorcerer class? Terrible IDENTITY MISS0 -
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✭✭phoenixkungfu wrote: »Once again SORCERER HAS 100% of all abilities morph or base doing aoe damage. They are the BURST AOE CLASS. No one thinks of them like that because there IDENTITY IS LOST. Every class has an identity focus buff or highlighted EXCEPT SORCERER.
burst AoE?
Dude, are you on drugs?
The only class with a viable burst AoE after 1.3 was mDK by pairing inhale to proxy Deto and talons. Leap to close the circle.
Nevertheless that build was nerfed like 4 years ago. Then came the rise of NB bomber with Phoenix + tether + Sap + proxy, buffed with old merc resolve. And you know what happened? Nerfed.
Then there were some templar Quasar builds with more sustained dmg (Barrage + proxy + ritual + skoria + phoenix + EotS) also nerfed through the change to empower
Curently the closest AoE dmg dealer are Wardens. A class that you will so much playing if you recognize that your policy of "I only play sorc" is just a major hindrance in your progress as player.Edited by Xvorg on December 24, 2019 7:08PMSarcasm is something too serious to be taken lightly
I was born with the wrong sign
In the wrong house
With the wrong ascendancy
I took the wrong road
That led to the wrong tendencies
I was in the wrong place at the wrong time
For the wrong reason and the wrong rhyme
On the wrong day of the wrong week
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✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »You know what really makes organized groups king in PVP? Teamwork.
That's always been the case. Large scale combat in Cyrodiil was originally designed for groups of 8 to 24 players, and it still highly favors groups that work together and have good teamwork. Teamwork is what allows the organized raids to dominate Cyrodiil every single update no matter what skills or classes ZOS changes or nerfs.
Within those groups, supported by teamwork, Sorcs are monsters. Well, TBH any class can become a monster with a supportive group, but Sorcs have some obvious group utility in their toolkit, like Suppression Field.
On their own, trying to attack into an organized group? No class does particularly well, save the bomber playstyle, because ZOS has a hate for 1vX ever since the pre-Morrowind Blazeplar. Which, uh, ZOS utterly destroyed as a playstyle.
So, OP, I really don't think that ZOS is going to make Sorc an AOE 1vX king able to singlehandedly burst down organized raids like you want them to. They killed the last playstyle to do so when it was the Blazplar.
And have you considered that if your sorc gets buffed into an AOE 1vX king that the organized raids will promptly use that same build to dominate everyone else even more? Every single "raidkiller" skill or build inevitably gets co-opted by those same raids into their own team. So your AOE 1vX king sorc will be fighting that same build...except the other guy is going to backed up by the healers and other players on his team. (That's why "Buff me" pleas against organized raids wind up a neverending cycle.)
So I guess what I should be saying is "Yeah, buff sorc, ZOS! Make those organized raids even stronger! It'll be fun!" Alternatively, if you really want to fight organized groups effectively, go get a team of your own.
TLDR: the universal counter gameplay to an organized raid isn't a god-like solo sorc. Its better teamwork, or failing that, overwhelming numbers.
my my... I forgot Blazeplar... what a fun to play spec...
also nerfed to the groundSarcasm is something too serious to be taken lightly
I was born with the wrong sign
In the wrong house
With the wrong ascendancy
I took the wrong road
That led to the wrong tendencies
I was in the wrong place at the wrong time
For the wrong reason and the wrong rhyme
On the wrong day of the wrong week
Used the wrong method with the wrong technique0 -
phoenixkungfu✭✭✭✭phoenixkungfu wrote: »Once again SORCERER HAS 100% of all abilities morph or base doing aoe damage. They are the BURST AOE CLASS. No one thinks of them like that because there IDENTITY IS LOST. Every class has an identity focus buff or highlighted EXCEPT SORCERER.
burst AoE?
Dude, are you on drugs?
The only class with a viable burst AoE after 1.3 was mDK by pairing inhale to proxy Deto and talons. Leap to close the circle.
Nevertheless that build was nerfed like 4 years ago. Then came the rise of NB bomber with Phoenix + tether + Sap + proxy, buffed with old merc resolve. And you know what happened? Nerfed.
Then there were some templar Quasar builds with more sustained dmg (Barrage + proxy + ritual + skoria + phoenix + EotS) also nerfed through the change to empower
Curently the closest AoE dmg dealer are Wardens. A class that you will so much playing if you recognize that your policy of "I only play sorc" is just a major hindrance in your progress as
You speak of build that should of been nerf before because they dont fit class identity. List class identity per class and get back to me.0
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