Movement+Stun skill equality

Amoureros · December 2019

Now that Templar, sorcerer has one button wonder (Toppling charge, Streak)
Give warden Frozen gate stun
Give DK Fiery grip stun
Give NB Teleport strike stun
Give Necromancer a gap closer+stun

A lot of people says Toppling charge and Streak are not OP
So give all classes same treatment. It's will be a tiny tiny buff according to immature people who is afraid to death by the idea of their favorite class being nurfed.

Stellarvorous · December 2019

While im not against necros wardens especially Necros getting a gap closer stun long as they arent obscenely broken but I see you mentioned DK but somehow choose to omit the existence of leap as im pretty sure its a gap closer and a stun on both morphs....

Granted its an ult but if were being honest here DK has access to a class based stun gap closer granted it bugs out sometimes but its far from useless and as im sure itl get mentioned wardens CC you wont hear me defend permafrost or northern storm or arctic winds I don't slot any of them id gladly take a gap closer stun over those options "Any Day"

Far as streak and toppling charge go it being mentioned on the forum might draw some likes but will also draw a lot of dislikes classes like necro or warden getting something like topping charge would make half these people threaten to uninstall the game...

Far as balancing streak or toppling charge don't hold your breath the very thought of it on the forums will trigger snowflake ptsd and when it comes to the thought of nightblades with a gap closer stun I sure hope yal think thru all the way before people agree for it lol

CompM4s · December 2019

Who streaked you to death?

Amoureros · December 2019

CompM4s wrote: »

Who streaked you to death?

Here goes the immature player. Go cry somewhere else little boy.

ku5h · December 2019

Why even have classes.
Just make it so everyone uses same skills, right?!

CompM4s · December 2019

Im going to go make a nerf thread instead of learning how to play. Maybe ill just make a streak build and X everybody....

chrightt · December 2019

I don’t see why every class needs to get stun on the same type of skill or even get the same type of skill. Homogenization without class identity in mind creates the Scalebreaker fiasco where people end up running the same generic skills. Now, you just suggested to make class skills generic instead. Wardens already have twice as many accessible buffs as other classes. Does that mean we should give people all an easily slot-able minor berserk? No. Necro is not known for high mobility but it offers cc and AoE with stuff like totem. They don’t all have to be the same.

MartiniDaniels · December 2019

chrightt wrote: »

I don’t see why every class needs to get stun on the same type of skill or even get the same type of skill. Homogenization without class identity in mind creates the Scalebreaker fiasco where people end up running the same generic skills. Now, you just suggested to make class skills generic instead. Wardens already have twice as many accessible buffs as other classes. Does that mean we should give people all an easily slot-able minor berserk? No. Necro is not known for high mobility but it offers cc and AoE with stuff like totem. They don’t all have to be the same.

For unknown reason this patch one of the classes has:
- best gap closer
- best ranged stun
- best spammable
- best spammable ultimate
- best purge

While several other classes have to rely on glitchy cc like fear or knockback to kill anybody of comparable skill. With such approach to class identity, I as main of 2 of those other classes, will prefer homogenization.

Chilly-McFreeze · December 2019

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

chrightt wrote: »

I don’t see why every class needs to get stun on the same type of skill or even get the same type of skill. Homogenization without class identity in mind creates the Scalebreaker fiasco where people end up running the same generic skills. Now, you just suggested to make class skills generic instead. Wardens already have twice as many accessible buffs as other classes. Does that mean we should give people all an easily slot-able minor berserk? No. Necro is not known for high mobility but it offers cc and AoE with stuff like totem. They don’t all have to be the same.

For unknown reason this patch one of the classes has:
- best gap closer
- best ranged stun
- best spammable
- best spammable ultimate
- best purge

While several other classes have to rely on glitchy cc like fear or knockback to kill anybody of comparable skill. With such approach to class identity, I as main of 2 of those other classes, will prefer homogenization.

That is a reason to reasonable tweak said skills but not to give every class a streak copy.
If you'd do that the list wouldn't change except the gap closer point anyway.

Chilly-McFreeze · December 2019

chrightt wrote: »

I don’t see why every class needs to get stun on the same type of skill or even get the same type of skill. Homogenization without class identity in mind creates the Scalebreaker fiasco where people end up running the same generic skills. Now, you just suggested to make class skills generic instead. Wardens already have twice as many accessible buffs as other classes. Does that mean we should give people all an easily slot-able minor berserk? No. Necro is not known for high mobility but it offers cc and AoE with stuff like totem. They don’t all have to be the same.

Pretty much this. Why bother playing chosing e.g. stam sorc anyway then?

But in general, what's up with the latest forum hystery about gap closers and stuns? I recently took a step back from the game and the forum and wonder what the fuss is about. Or is it just the latest fotm nerf train?

Sanguinor2 · December 2019

Stellarvorous wrote: »

While im not against necros wardens especially Necros getting a gap closer stun long as they arent obscenely broken but I see you mentioned DK but somehow choose to omit the existence of leap as im pretty sure its a gap closer and a stun on both morphs....

Granted its an ult but if were being honest here DK has access to a class based stun gap closer granted it bugs out sometimes but its far from useless and as im sure itl get mentioned wardens CC you wont hear me defend permafrost or northern storm or arctic winds I don't slot any of them id gladly take a gap closer stun over those options "Any Day"

What is it with People lumping leap together with other gap Closers? Have you ever played a dk yourself?

First of all leap got a Minimum cd of 31 seconds so you can "gap close" at most once every half a Minute, which other gap Closer has that again?
Second leap is used as a burst tool, especially for magdks, you cannot afford to use it as gapcloser since you will loose a big chunck of burst for the next 31 seconds Minimum and everyone with a functional Right mouse button will block it anyway so no cc or burst if you cast it from max range without any Setup.
Third, through virtue of battle roar leap (and ults) are a dks main Sustain tool, if you use leap to gap close to start a fight you screw yourself out of majority of your class Sustain for the next 31 seconds in Addition to your biggest burst, not the exact best way to start a fight.

MartiniDaniels · December 2019

Sanguinor2 wrote: »

Stellarvorous wrote: »

While im not against necros wardens especially Necros getting a gap closer stun long as they arent obscenely broken but I see you mentioned DK but somehow choose to omit the existence of leap as im pretty sure its a gap closer and a stun on both morphs....

Granted its an ult but if were being honest here DK has access to a class based stun gap closer granted it bugs out sometimes but its far from useless and as im sure itl get mentioned wardens CC you wont hear me defend permafrost or northern storm or arctic winds I don't slot any of them id gladly take a gap closer stun over those options "Any Day"

What is it with People lumping leap together with other gap Closers? Have you ever played a dk yourself?

First of all leap got a Minimum cd of 31 seconds so you can "gap close" at most once every half a Minute, which other gap Closer has that again?
Second leap is used as a burst tool, especially for magdks, you cannot afford to use it as gapcloser since you will loose a big chunck of burst for the next 31 seconds Minimum and everyone with a functional Right mouse button will block it anyway so no cc or burst if you cast it from max range without any Setup.
Third, through virtue of battle roar leap (and ults) are a dks main Sustain tool, if you use leap to gap close to start a fight you screw yourself out of majority of your class Sustain for the next 31 seconds in Addition to your biggest burst, not the exact best way to start a fight.

This.
Leap is powerful as gap closer+stun on disengaging target, which already lost a lot of resources and ideally at half HP. Against full-HP target who fights with you and will just block your leap, leap can be used only as desperate move to restore resources and gain shield (in case of magDK). DKs who leap at initiation usually just waste their ultimate for nothing.