Crownstore...

jircris11 · December 2019

Disagree

tuxon wrote: »

The only hope for this game is making Crownstore items (or at least mounts,pets,furniture) available to get in game via quest chains, dungeons, trials. I remember how exciting it was to get a Telvanni personality in Morrowind expansion even the quest line was a bit long and boring.

And of course classical situation of:

-Dude! Where did you get this mount/outfit/pet?! Looks amazing!
[Every other MMO] - I did this quest and this dungeon and this achievement!
[ESO] - I paid $30 for it in Crownstore.

You can get TONS of furniture,pets and motifs via ingame. And making crown store items flammable in game WONT "SAVE eso it will only doom it.

jircris11 · December 2019

Disagree

Contaminate wrote: »

Goregrinder wrote: »

vestahls wrote: »

Nothing against Zos making a fast buck off people for aesthetic collectibles. But at the same time, it is very fun and fulfilling when you have to struggle at least a little bit for a reward.
There should definitely be more earn-able collectibles, but without taking away what the Crownstore has. Maybe more mounts or personalities.

We do...at work. We're earning that money we spend with hard work all day, and it IS fulfilling when we can open up the store, and just pick what we want from there, and buy it with the money we earned with our time and hard work. Very fulfilling.

As someone with a full time job: No, that is not fulfilling gameplay. Not at all

Getting the Blackmarrow Necromancer skin is fulfilling. A tangible reward for my time spent playing and mastering the content.

You know what isn’t fulfilling? Spending $150-$200 to gamble enough to get a mount which took someone (generously) four hours to recolor and attach vfx.

If I wanted to spend money on fashion I’d go buy some overpriced Louis Vuitton t-shirt. At least you own that.

That is your opinion, I know many who rather dress their character then buy fancy rl clothes.

Contaminate · December 2019

Agree

jircris11 wrote: »

Contaminate wrote: »

Goregrinder wrote: »

vestahls wrote: »

Nothing against Zos making a fast buck off people for aesthetic collectibles. But at the same time, it is very fun and fulfilling when you have to struggle at least a little bit for a reward.
There should definitely be more earn-able collectibles, but without taking away what the Crownstore has. Maybe more mounts or personalities.

We do...at work. We're earning that money we spend with hard work all day, and it IS fulfilling when we can open up the store, and just pick what we want from there, and buy it with the money we earned with our time and hard work. Very fulfilling.

As someone with a full time job: No, that is not fulfilling gameplay. Not at all

Getting the Blackmarrow Necromancer skin is fulfilling. A tangible reward for my time spent playing and mastering the content.

You know what isn’t fulfilling? Spending $150-$200 to gamble enough to get a mount which took someone (generously) four hours to recolor and attach vfx.

If I wanted to spend money on fashion I’d go buy some overpriced Louis Vuitton t-shirt. At least you own that.

That is your opinion, I know many who rather dress their character then buy fancy rl clothes.

Then they'd be better off buying the Sims or just modding new clothes into Skyrim. Sticking 99% of all cosmetics into a cash shop and only a cash shop, is not good for an actual game. Of course, it does seem ZOS are marketing almost exclusively to those prone to gambling and those not at all interesting in genuine gameplay.

Starlock · December 2019

Agree

Contaminate wrote: »

jircris11 wrote: »

Contaminate wrote: »

Goregrinder wrote: »

vestahls wrote: »

Nothing against Zos making a fast buck off people for aesthetic collectibles. But at the same time, it is very fun and fulfilling when you have to struggle at least a little bit for a reward.
There should definitely be more earn-able collectibles, but without taking away what the Crownstore has. Maybe more mounts or personalities.

We do...at work. We're earning that money we spend with hard work all day, and it IS fulfilling when we can open up the store, and just pick what we want from there, and buy it with the money we earned with our time and hard work. Very fulfilling.

As someone with a full time job: No, that is not fulfilling gameplay. Not at all

Getting the Blackmarrow Necromancer skin is fulfilling. A tangible reward for my time spent playing and mastering the content.

You know what isn’t fulfilling? Spending $150-$200 to gamble enough to get a mount which took someone (generously) four hours to recolor and attach vfx.

If I wanted to spend money on fashion I’d go buy some overpriced Louis Vuitton t-shirt. At least you own that.

That is your opinion, I know many who rather dress their character then buy fancy rl clothes.

Then they'd be better off buying the Sims or just modding new clothes into Skyrim. Sticking 99% of all cosmetics into a cash shop and only a cash shop, is not good for an actual game. Of course, it does seem ZOS are marketing almost exclusively to those prone to gambling and those not at all interesting in genuine gameplay.

If you take a closer look at each microtransaction, it’s pretty apparent they appeal to many different audiences though, including those interested in “genuine gameplay.” It is part of their model to develop ways of exploiting everyone.

Those obsessed with “genuine gameplay” by which I presume you mean competitive gaming are targeted by race change tokens, skill points, and skill lines in the cash shop.

Those with limited gaming time are exploited in many ways ranging from the event ticket system to research scrolls and riding lessons.

And then there are folks who place great importance on fun styles, who are sold outfit change tokens, style slots, motifs, and so on.

There is a predatory microtransaction for every type of gamer and gameplay priority. All things that could be earned in game, but aren’t... because why do that when you can exploit the customer base for massive profits instead?

Contaminate · December 2019

Agree

Starlock wrote: »

Contaminate wrote: »

jircris11 wrote: »

Contaminate wrote: »

Goregrinder wrote: »

vestahls wrote: »

Nothing against Zos making a fast buck off people for aesthetic collectibles. But at the same time, it is very fun and fulfilling when you have to struggle at least a little bit for a reward.
There should definitely be more earn-able collectibles, but without taking away what the Crownstore has. Maybe more mounts or personalities.

We do...at work. We're earning that money we spend with hard work all day, and it IS fulfilling when we can open up the store, and just pick what we want from there, and buy it with the money we earned with our time and hard work. Very fulfilling.

As someone with a full time job: No, that is not fulfilling gameplay. Not at all

Getting the Blackmarrow Necromancer skin is fulfilling. A tangible reward for my time spent playing and mastering the content.

You know what isn’t fulfilling? Spending $150-$200 to gamble enough to get a mount which took someone (generously) four hours to recolor and attach vfx.

If I wanted to spend money on fashion I’d go buy some overpriced Louis Vuitton t-shirt. At least you own that.

That is your opinion, I know many who rather dress their character then buy fancy rl clothes.

Then they'd be better off buying the Sims or just modding new clothes into Skyrim. Sticking 99% of all cosmetics into a cash shop and only a cash shop, is not good for an actual game. Of course, it does seem ZOS are marketing almost exclusively to those prone to gambling and those not at all interesting in genuine gameplay.

If you take a closer look at each microtransaction, it’s pretty apparent they appeal to many different audiences though, including those interested in “genuine gameplay.” It is part of their model to develop ways of exploiting everyone.

Those obsessed with “genuine gameplay” by which I presume you mean competitive gaming are targeted by race change tokens, skill points, and skill lines in the cash shop.

Those with limited gaming time are exploited in many ways ranging from the event ticket system to research scrolls and riding lessons.

And then there are folks who place great importance on fun styles, who are sold outfit change tokens, style slots, motifs, and so on.

There is a predatory microtransaction for every type of gamer and gameplay priority. All things that could be earned in game, but aren’t... because why do that when you can exploit the customer base for massive profits instead?

By genuine gameplay I mean actually engaging in combat and game mechanics instead of popping open your wallet which requires zeros engagement with either.

It's not rocket science that people would like to be rewarded for their time and skills rather than their ability to hand over money. It'd be like dog shows handing out Best in Show medals to whoever pays without even requiring them to own a dog.

vestahls · December 2019

Agree

Goregrinder wrote: »

vestahls wrote: »

Nothing against Zos making a fast buck off people for aesthetic collectibles. But at the same time, it is very fun and fulfilling when you have to struggle at least a little bit for a reward.
There should definitely be more earn-able collectibles, but without taking away what the Crownstore has. Maybe more mounts or personalities.

We do...at work. We're earning that money we spend with hard work all day, and it IS fulfilling when we can open up the store, and just pick what we want from there, and buy it with the money we earned with our time and hard work. Very fulfilling.

You seem to misunderstand. I'm talking about fulfilling in a game-play sense. Game-wise. In the game.

I don't find it at all fulfilling whenever I spend money on games. I'd rather save it, or spend it on something material I can enjoy for the next 40+ years. Whenever I've spent money on pixels, I enjoyed it for maybe 5 minutes and spent the rest of my time trying not to slap myself, so that's not particularly fulfilling to me. On the other hand, using the cosmetics/costumes I've earned in the game is truly, genuinely fulfilling.

But this is why I said I have nothing against Zos making money off the immaterial stuff in the Crown store at the same time. As long as it's other people's money

Ascarl · December 2019

Disagree

Actually you can trade ingame money and trade it with other players for crowns. For the average player getting a raid skin is more oit of reach than farming flowers or pickpocket a few days to trade with some other players for crowns on a crown store item (assuming it's a few hundred crown fluff item).

Ascarl · December 2019

Disagree

I meant : "Actually you can collect ingame money and trade it with other players for crowns."

Contaminate · December 2019

Agree

Ascarl wrote: »

Actually you can trade ingame money and trade it with other players for crowns. For the average player getting a raid skin is more oit of reach than farming flowers or pickpocket a few days to trade with some other players for crowns on a crown store item (assuming it's a few hundred crown fluff item).

And that's still a cash shop purchase that doesn't serve to reward engagement with the game. If anything it encourages half-afk mat and chest farming

Tigerseye · December 2019

Well, yes, if enough people were prepared (and able) to pay a sub, that would certainly be ideal.

As I don't know if that is the case, or not, I don't really know how to answer, though.

Tigerseye · December 2019

Kel wrote: »

Believe it or not, everything in MMO's isn't always about e-peen and people gawking at your mount.
That stuff is nice fluff, but at the end of the day, it's just that.

The meat and potatoes of any MMO is the story and playing with friends/guildies/other people.
So saying that the "only hope" of a 5 year old game still going strong, despite many issues and not earning the type of fluff you're speaking about, is letting you earn that fluff is beyond hyperbole. It's proven to be flat out wrong.

If that's what you like "in every other MMO"...you're free to go play them..🤷‍♂️

That's the "meat and potatoes" for you, but other people may be more visual, or artistic, so it is more of a fundamental part of the game for them.

They just enjoy the "fluff" you talk about more than you do - not to show off, on their own account.

Unless you think all artists are just doing it to show off?

Kelces · December 2019

Agree

Obviously there are a lot of people, including me, who gladly pay for a nice challenge instead of easy shopping sprees for whatever cosmetic items. Unfortunately for ESO, the performance issues dictate a focus on that system. Can't go much worse, I guess.

It has been said countless times before, but apparently needs to be reiterated until it shows effect: Performance is key, ZoS. The crown store won't be needed. Though useful, happy subscribers is as much as you need. Perhaps you would even get donations for such an accomplishment, imagine!

Tigerseye · December 2019

Contaminate wrote: »

jircris11 wrote: »

Contaminate wrote: »

Goregrinder wrote: »

vestahls wrote: »

Nothing against Zos making a fast buck off people for aesthetic collectibles. But at the same time, it is very fun and fulfilling when you have to struggle at least a little bit for a reward.
There should definitely be more earn-able collectibles, but without taking away what the Crownstore has. Maybe more mounts or personalities.

We do...at work. We're earning that money we spend with hard work all day, and it IS fulfilling when we can open up the store, and just pick what we want from there, and buy it with the money we earned with our time and hard work. Very fulfilling.

As someone with a full time job: No, that is not fulfilling gameplay. Not at all

Getting the Blackmarrow Necromancer skin is fulfilling. A tangible reward for my time spent playing and mastering the content.

You know what isn’t fulfilling? Spending $150-$200 to gamble enough to get a mount which took someone (generously) four hours to recolor and attach vfx.

If I wanted to spend money on fashion I’d go buy some overpriced Louis Vuitton t-shirt. At least you own that.

That is your opinion, I know many who rather dress their character then buy fancy rl clothes.

Then they'd be better off buying the Sims or just modding new clothes into Skyrim. Sticking 99% of all cosmetics into a cash shop and only a cash shop, is not good for an actual game. Of course, it does seem ZOS are marketing almost exclusively to those prone to gambling and those not at all interesting in genuine gameplay.

They would definitely be better off, but if this is the game they are playing, this is where they will spend their money.

I think most people would agree that making everything attainable within the (easily accessible) parts of the game would be better, but that relies (at least, to an extent) on enough people being prepared (and/or able) to pay a sub on a regular basis.

Zypheran · December 2019

I don't mind crown store but crown crate exclusive items is just a disgusting, greedy two fingers to their fans!

PrimusNephilim · December 2019

Agree

they do need to get back to what really makes the game exciting, couldn't agree more with OP.

Gorguzkhalrwb17_ESO · December 2019

Disagree

Personally my only complaint about the crown store in ESO is the tactic of artificial scarcity, with the crown store missing from it possibly hundreds of cosmetic items that were available at one time or another. I believe their tactic going forward with this is to include these older items that people missed at the time in things like crown crates. Effectively making them harder to collect & more expensive.

That bothers me. However...

If ESO's crown store would simply uphold a robust catalog of items any player could potentially buy at any time whilst leaving the more flashy & 'premium items' for crown crates I wouldn't mind this at all. Leave the super duper atronach mounts for crown crates / chance to increase revenue. It is just as others have explained it to be a BUSINESS that has the requirement of making money. The more money this business makes the more updates, chapters & expansions we will all see come to pass & the longer this beautiful MMO will stay alive.

Just let me slowly collect over time at my own pace all the original wolf & sanche mounts, costumes etc that were never intended to be premium crown crate content & I will do so. I am willing to support this MMO with my wallet, I want to. However I will not roll a bunch of chance crates for an item that was once upon a time available within the base crown store for 700 - 1000 crowns.

KappaKid83 · December 2019

Agree

Agree to some extent. I wish there was a secondary(3rd ) currency like Bright Dust in Destiny 2 that could be used to purchase crown store items. It wouldn't have to be the full list of the store and the currency would come from completing dailies(small amounts of the currency per daily) but it is still something.

JJBoomer · December 2019

Disagree

I both agree and don't. Yes, more should be obtainable in game. No because unless they go back to sub-to-play, they need a revenue if you want this game to not shut down. I don't agree with doing away with the crown store, UNLESS they brought back mandatory subscription. However then they would have to rework already existing content, and create new content to incorporate previous crown store items.

I don't see them doing anything like that.

Also I do think there should be choice. If people want to grind for something, fine. if they want to buy it, fine. The whole "exclusivity" thing in video game is pathetic, sad BS anyway. Games are about fun. If you're just in it to have things that others don't, then honestly, I feel sorry for those people.

Oh and there is no such thing as "if everyone gets it, then mine is worthless". That is beyond crap. If something you have loses value because other people now have it, that's on you. You're are the one who chose to devalued what you had. Not other people obtaining or enjoying said thing. Some people in the gaming community need some serious therapy.

Rake · December 2019

Papachico wrote: »

BOOM BABY

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO · December 2019

Disagree

you are shortsighted on this matter...yes its nice to have awesome rewards for quest lines that are tedious and gruesome ofc...however crownstore must HAVE new things that are worth buying instead of crates and nothing else...

idk · December 2019

It does not matter if we agree or disagree, it will not matter for obvious reasons.

Players tell Zos every month how they feel about the crown store items in a voice much louder than this thread and it's poll could ever dream of. That revenue is real. So the poll might be nice entertainment but that is as far as it will go. Zos will not make crown store items available in game for free.

Milo · December 2019

I'd rather have "normal" prices in the crown store. I'm completely fine paying / supporting the game i like, but those prices are ridiculous. They could cut the half of EVERY item in half and it would still be somewhat expensive...